Help me defend the rotary!

PGTBrow

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Me and my friends are arguing over the LS1 vs 13B in a RX7. If you have read the new SCC mag, then you know what im talking about. I am being swarmed with a bunch of V8 guys knocking on the "little" 1.3L "with no torque"

Personally I know that paying 10k to swap in a LS1 would be pointless beings so much could be done to the 13B instead and be much much faster. So guys give me some good come backs and tech knowledge to hit em with lol.
 
lets see the LS-1 rev to 10K RPM.
lets compare wieght,size,eifficiency.

the only time a LS-1 is better for a idea is on the dragstrip,but then the car better be a track only car.

oh,and one of the best reason..............IT'S LEGAL TO HAVE A 13B IN A RX-7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
There's a FD sitting in my neighbor's driveway we're putting a LS1 into... total cost including car: $14K
 
Yep, the car is in great shape, just had a blown motor. The swap only costs $7K, and that's with quite a few upgraded parts like headers and an Al radiator
 
Thats cool. Still though, wouldn't it be better to stick with the Rotary and swap in a 20B and make more power than a V8?
"In 1990, the Eunos Cosmo, with its three-rotor rotary engine 20B-REW, went on sale after steady continuation of research and development for a quarter-century that passed since the beginning of the rotary engine project. While the two-rotor rotary engine produced a smooth operation equivalent to the six-cylinder reciprocating engine, the three-rotor rotary engine exceeded that of the V8 engine; it even approached the level of the V12 engine."

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20B's alone are more expensive than the entire V8 swap. Good heads and a healthy cam make quite a bit of power :)
 
I was under the impression that you could get a 20B from Corksport or somewhere else for like 4k?
 
good luck with finding a 20b for that price and hardware that'll make it run. i've seen builds on upwards of about $10k for a 20b swap, not including car.
 
But a 20B would be the most powerful choice though correct? Either way theres a lot of custom fab and wiring correct? I just think its a sin to put a non rotary engine in a RX7
 
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It's actually pretty easy. Hinson Supercars has a wiring kit, reflash for the ecu, subframe etc etc. thankfully pletny of people have done the hard work already, so for a few bucks you can buy a pretty complete kit. Speaking of which, I need to realign the subframe in my buddy's tomorrow!
 
It's harder and more expensive to swap in a 20B. The LS1 is not any heavier than the 13B with turbos attached. I have a friend who bought the LS1 and all the parts needed for the same money he got from selling his 13B with single turbo setup. The swap didn't cost anything out of his pocket. He got tired of working on and babying the rotary since it is a semi-daily driver and goes road racing a lot. There is no technical reason not to swap the LS1. The only good reason people can come up with is that it "is supposed to be a rotary". If your a diehard rotary enthusiast that's fine, but if you are looking for reliable performance and a bullet-proof car then the LS1 is the answer.
 
Sorry to say but the rotary isn't exactly the most fuel efficient engine so it wouldn't really be an advantage compared to the LS1.
 
its all about what you are doing. A bolt on/tuned stock turbos FD can be made to put down about 350 to the wheels, the LS1 would be putting down almost that much stock (low 300's to the wheels) and the LS1 has about 50% more TQ.....being that the LS1 is only a little heavier it would be a very close match as far as performance. The weight distubution is a little different but its still almost identical.

That 20b you posted......i would think that motor will need a rebuild soon so add in atleast and other 1800-2000 in parts and stuff, plus the labor if your having someone do it. Then you need to tackle EMS, mounts, exhaust, radiator...ect, ect.....so pretty much buying all the same parts you would need (at similar costs) to what the LS1 swap would need. So the end cost would be similar, bust most likely more, for the 20b vs the LS1.

From a cost for power stand point, and reliability....the LS1 wins. Even in performance, with similar power the LS1 would be a very close match, if not a win.

Now IMO leave the rotary in it, esp the FD. They are such beautyful cars, but even then....the rotary is what MAKES the car. RX7 - Rotary Experimental.......the 13b IS the car......if you take that away, its just like a corvette, front engine, rwd, coupe/hatch....its just about 500 lbs lighter....just stick with a corvette.

I am looking at getting an FD myself and I will leave it 13b, and go single after a while (when it needs a rebuild). Thats what the RX7 is all about.
 
Rotary engines are great for purists but generaly don't last as long as piston engines, even if they do have pushrods. Dollar for Dollar or pound for pound though the LS1 is as good a choice or better than any Rotary engine, and with GM behind it the LS1 has tons of potential. Want 500-600HP LS1, call Katech.
We have 2 locals that have done this swap into FC's and the cars are sickeningly fast for a street car and sound fantastic.
I'm not a fan of GM by any means but that does not discount the fact that they put out some great things and have a bevy of aftermarket parts available for their engines.
If you are a purist in any form or die-hard-rotary-fan, I would expect to see some misgivings on the subject of cross-over parts. If performance is your main concern it should not matter what is under the hood. Toss a bull elephant in front of the firewall if it gets you around the track.

It's all a matter of opinion and no one is neccesarily wrong which ever side you take. Both engines (Rotary & Piston) have plenty of desireable qualities.
 
PGTBrow said:
Well how about gas mileage lol

what about it? a vette gets at least high 20s on the highway. the only way an RX-7 or RX-8 is doing that is if it's being towed.
 

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