Geneva: Mazda3 MPS and Mazda3 refresh press release and pics

nate0123 said:
haha... have you ever actually priced a Mazda3?

I just built an S hatch GT online for $26k+

wow you are gettin riped off.

I need to teach you a thing or 2 about shopping for cars. I always get fantastic deals on every car my family buys. I got them to give $1k more on my trade in and sell me a MSP out the door for $17-18 (without my trade in) and end up with $185 a month payment. 1st time I went in he threw numbers at me. I used my finance degree to find all the BS charges. Take out my paper with calculation and what I wanted. and told him to take the deal or your wasting my time. He said "good bye" and next day (sunday morning) he called me and said, "are you still interested in the MSP? We'll take your offer." #1 mistake people do is "what is my monthly payment." That doesnt tell you much about what they added on. people also dont take the time to negotiate...dealers want to sell cars. They are more then happy to deal with you (resaonable offers). Even with tactics like, "I have to run this by my boss." You eye cars that have been on the lot for weeks...because its costing them over head and space. Plus you try edmonds to see what the dealer invoice is and see how much they mock it up. knowing they do make money on trade ins. And use that as leverage or use otehr dealers as leverage. dealer to dealer can be very competative...especially if they are volume sellers. Discount they gave me was easily made up for how much they were selling my trade in. And plus when you trade in your not taxed. Also there are months where the deals are better. end of the year clearence or if the next model is drastically different.

Dealers love adding incentives/hidden charges. You basically tell them to **** off if they add $800 lug nut tax.

what you do pay $500 for factory floor mats...lol. or $1k for Mazdaspeed mudflaps...lol. Theres no way it would be $26K unless you add every single BS option. or if you delaer loves adding incentives. Or you live int he artic where they have to airlift your car to you.

Even if you thorw in a grand touring 3 hatch manual with DVD navigation ($1700) and Moon roof/stero package ($1300) it would still come out like $22-23K. And I wasnt even talking about that since I was refering to base prices. But anyways heres my pricing and build ona a Mazda3 s gradn tourning with Navigation/Bose stero/moonroof....came out under $23K...fully loaded.

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/selectConfigOptions.action?buttonAction=finish&vehicleCode=M3H&modelYear=2006&mscCode=BR9PNAG&packages=PP_2MC&options=NV_NV1&x=75&y=16

Where do you end up with $26K for a MAzda 3?

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=modelsSpecs&vehicleCode=M3H
 
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seanw said:
Finally! I was zipping through these posts wondering when someone would say how much the beast weighs. 247 / 2826 = .0874 HP/wt. ratio. Now if I can just find the MS6 thread where did the calculations for a whole slew of cars . . . . Whoa, just noticed thats the weight for the 3 hatch. With stiffening work, etc. the MS3 has to weigh more.

I think pounds per HP is more useful.

11.4 pounds/HP
 
Mounty said:
The rear spoiler shown on the MazdaUSA site and that on the Geneva Motor Show car are different! The NA spec MS3 has a raised spoiler and I think it's more agressive.

Also, it seems that NA spec will have the rear side-maker while the Euro won't.

I'm willing to bet they will all have the side marker to cut production costs on the bumper mold just like how the current normal bumpers are.... it's cheaper for them to have one mold for the whole world and then have red side markers for north america, and amber for the rest of the world
 
TheMAN said:
I'm willing to bet they will all have the side marker to cut production costs on the bumper mold just like how the current normal bumpers are.... it's cheaper for them to have one mold for the whole world and then have red side markers for north america, and amber for the rest of the world

the new MX-5 has different bumpers for north america vs. the world. why can't the new MS3?
 
Aren't the safety requirements different from region to region? That is why you can't simply import a car from Japan or Europe in the U.S. that hasn't passed stateside crash tests?
 
i can start off by saying thank you mazda for making it HATCH! car looks gorgeous.. i dont know if im wild about the rims though.. might have to find something different to put on it.. as for hp numbers, i think im in love.. this car i believe will definitely break into the 13 second range for 1/4 mile times.. as i and a few others have said months ago, its here to rival the SRT and to keep with the STi and EVO XIII with a little tweaking (thumb) .. when is the US debut? i must get on a wiating list, my 3 is 18 months old with 48400 miles.. time to dump it soon..
 
^^Juan from hiboost has a 500 whp 11 second Mazda 3... hopefully that can attest to the potential if the Speed3...

I never thought I'd say this, but I am considering trading my P5 in for one... it's the 6speed, It's something I wished for in my P5 in my 40000 miles of highway cruzing
 
Breeegz said:
^^Juan from hiboost has a 500 whp 11 second Mazda 3... hopefully that can attest to the potential if the Speed3...

I never thought I'd say this, but I am considering trading my P5 in for one... it's the 6speed, It's something I wished for in my P5 in my 40000 miles of highway cruzing

Even though the gear ratios haven't been released yet, i'm willing to bet that top gear on the 6-speed will be similar to top gear on the 5-speed, just closer ratios for shifting.
 
the press release mentioned a Sixth gear to improve milage, so I imagine that it's a little longer gear, prolly not much, but longer indeed

-Beau
 
Six-Speed Manual Transmission
The new Mazda3 MPS employs the six-speed manual transmission introduced with the Mazda6 MPS that provides the driver with the pleasure of having full control over the vehicles high power, while contributing to a quiet ride and better fuel economy. A compact three-shaft design made it possible to keep the overall length the same as for the five-speed manual transmission used in the base model. In addition, Mazda3 MPSs six-speed transmission uses wide gear ratios to fully exploit the wide
torque band of the direct-injection turbocharged engine. The transmissions high-ratio sixth gear contributes to a quieter ride and improves fuel economy during high-speed cruising. Triple-cone synchronizers for first through third gears and a double-cone synchronizer for fourth gear assure ample sync capacity to enable a short, clean-action shift stroke and comfortable shift feel.

seee! (poke)
 
eh, even better. i musta missed that. I'm hoping its here when i'm ready to get rid of my civic.
 
Mz3Hatch said:
i can start off by saying thank you mazda for making it HATCH! car looks gorgeous.. i dont know if im wild about the rims though.. might have to find something different to put on it.. as for hp numbers, i think im in love.. this car i believe will definitely break into the 13 second range for 1/4 mile times.. as i and a few others have said months ago, its here to rival the SRT and to keep with the STi and EVO XIII with a little tweaking (thumb) .. when is the US debut? i must get on a wiating list, my 3 is 18 months old with 48400 miles.. time to dump it soon..

Wow, that's a LOT of mileage. Mine is a little over 2.5years and has 6700miles...
got to love having a job that's a 20mile daily commute.
I agree with the wheel choice, but IMHO it's the most "neutral" wheel design you can go with. I'll probably sell them to someone as soon as I get new wheels/tires. Depending on car colors I'll be going with Falken Hanabe's again, or Motegi traklites on Falken Azenis RT-615 in 225/45/18 ^_^
yes, I know they are drag radials, but all I'll be doing when I get the MS3 is playing with it.
I've already went down to my dealer and had them put me on a call-back list when they find out more information about the car, like pricing, how much they'll give me for a trade, etc etc.

Anyone know what color options we'll have? The dealer knew less than I did about the car, but they did say it was probably going to come in 2 or 3 colors
 
Antoine said:
Aren't the safety requirements different from region to region? That is why you can't simply import a car from Japan or Europe in the U.S. that hasn't passed stateside crash tests?

yes, but on some cars, they make the bumper covers the same for styling and cost reasons... that doesn't mean what's behind it is the same though... but I do know that the mark I miatas have the same bumpers for anywhere in the world, and that means it is technically possible to import a "roadster" from japan
 
Breeegz said:
I think pounds per HP is more useful.

11.4 pounds/HP
Yeah, you're right. Now if they would just tell us how much it'll weigh? I can't find it anywhere. I'm guessing they don't know yet since it hasn't been completely finalized for production?
 
Rock said:
Wow, that's a LOT of mileage. Mine is a little over 2.5years and has 6700miles...

from Nov 11, 2003 to the present and 41000+ I think I win...
 
spacemonkey said:
wow you are gettin riped off.

I need to teach you a thing or 2 about shopping for cars. I always get fantastic deals on every car my family buys. I got them to give $1k more on my trade in and sell me a MSP out the door for $17-18 (without my trade in) and end up with $185 a month payment. 1st time I went in he threw numbers at me. I used my finance degree to find all the BS charges. Take out my paper with calculation and what I wanted. and told him to take the deal or your wasting my time. He said "good bye" and next day (sunday morning) he called me and said, "are you still interested in the MSP? We'll take your offer." #1 mistake people do is "what is my monthly payment." That doesnt tell you much about what they added on. people also dont take the time to negotiate...dealers want to sell cars. They are more then happy to deal with you (resaonable offers). Even with tactics like, "I have to run this by my boss." You eye cars that have been on the lot for weeks...because its costing them over head and space. Plus you try edmonds to see what the dealer invoice is and see how much they mock it up. knowing they do make money on trade ins. And use that as leverage or use otehr dealers as leverage. dealer to dealer can be very competative...especially if they are volume sellers. Discount they gave me was easily made up for how much they were selling my trade in. And plus when you trade in your not taxed. Also there are months where the deals are better. end of the year clearence or if the next model is drastically different.

Dealers love adding incentives/hidden charges. You basically tell them to **** off if they add $800 lug nut tax.

what you do pay $500 for factory floor mats...lol. or $1k for Mazdaspeed mudflaps...lol. Theres no way it would be $26K unless you add every single BS option. or if you delaer loves adding incentives. Or you live int he artic where they have to airlift your car to you.

Even if you thorw in a grand touring 3 hatch manual with DVD navigation ($1700) and Moon roof/stero package ($1300) it would still come out like $22-23K. And I wasnt even talking about that since I was refering to base prices. But anyways heres my pricing and build ona a Mazda3 s gradn tourning with Navigation/Bose stero/moonroof....came out under $23K...fully loaded.

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/selectConfigOptions.action?buttonAction=finish&vehicleCode=M3H&modelYear=2006&mscCode=BR9PNAG&packages=PP_2MC&options=NV_NV1&x=75&y=16

Where do you end up with $26K for a MAzda 3?

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=modelsSpecs&vehicleCode=M3H



wtf is this? dude... you need to calm your ass down. homez merely said what he BUILT the car. It's certainly possible (with every single option including nav) to get the car's STICKER PRICE up to $26k. He never said that's what he'd PAY. You inferred that he would pay that price and that he's clearly a dumbass when it comes to buying a car. How else would you explain your condescending tone in your lecture on how to buy a car? "I need to teach you a thing or two about buying a car" LMAO And wtf does a finance degree have to do with buying a car anyway? While it couldn't hurt, it certainly isn't mandatory.

Sorry man... I know it sounds like I'm coming down hard on you but take a step back and maybe you'll see it my way. Your response would have been far more appropriate if he actually said he was going to buy the car for sticker and mentioned he'd go about his "negotiating" in a "here's where I want my payments to be" manner. But he didn't... not even close! Just for the record, everything you said is accurate. Try not to come across as a "know-it-all". It's clear from your posts that you're a bright guy. Not to sound like a know-it-all myself but... a little modesty and tact can go a long way.
 

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