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[palerider]

You WILL blow your s*** at that point no matter what your AFR's are.

lol...I know. I was joking. What kind of gains would we see with the gt3071 at around 20-22psi? Or would even that be too agressive with a stock engine?

 

[nypest]

also for the record, i appriciate when guys say that ive done alot for this community but when u think about i havnt done s*** but posted my results of what other people have discovered.

Map clamp = truboost
Spring mod = driver
Fuel pump = mrlilguy
chump who tests everything for himself = laloosh (wiggle)

Big props to all you mo fo's

 

[palerider]

this thread has become more of a pissing contest as to who knows what and which company/individual knows more than anything else. its devolving into more about why X was banned from Y for Z company drama than it is constructive information. thats why i don't like dealing with this particular product and this type of drama.

cdfp's have caused pissing contests since CPE banned Laloosh, for arguing their obviously(in retrospect)...flawed findings. Flawed findings mostly becuase they were arguing about a different pump than were going to be running on our cars, it seems.

And some of the best threads on this board always revolve around a good argument(or pissing contest). On any board its the same. You should see the crap we debate in my RealGM Milwaukee Bucks board... arguing about nonsense. But its fun, to have strong argument. If everybody meekly agreed with everybody else... it would all be 2 page threads stickied for "good info"

I have no doubt that if Laloosh and DaDa bumped into each other in an airport lounge for a couple hours..... that theyd get on famously. The internet is just different. Guys will fart around for 20 pages trashing a caliber saying the same thing over and over. Its gonna be the same with such a controversial part as these cdfp's.

And CPE crossed a line from the get go. Dadas their voicebox, and that keeps it going.

 

[PR5Matt]

If your coil isnt tight, youre not going to get all of the juice to the plug. That will cause driveability issues when you turn up the power, which is exactly what he he experienced. These cars are very sensitive with power to the coils and ignition.



There's no way in hell the MAF is pegging. That would give mazda on a +10 delta margin in their programming and no engineer is going to sign off on that. There is a glitch in the cold weather map programming that needs to be addressed by Mazda themselves. A simple resistor mod works as a band aid until mazda fixes this issue.



Im getting the idea that you really know dont what the hell youre talking about. ITs time for you to pull up a chair and begin reading threads over the last 10 months.



Stock pump with CAI, TBE and youre pushing the pump.



Thanks and come back next year

I didn't expect you to be a d**k. I don't want to read the last 10 months of arguing and BS, I just want some quick data since all of this stuff has been sorted out supposedly. Some of what you said above is common sense (the spring thing), and some I didn't know (the Mazda MAF vs. map prog. issue). Thanks for the help...

 

[driver311]

lol...I know. I was joking. What kind of gains would we see with the gt3071 at around 20-22psi? Or would even that be too agressive with a stock engine?

400whp no problem

 

[dadasracecar]

i posted charts, data, experiences. These threads go to s*** when dadaracecar chimes in with his info, that goes directly against what is posted.

You post no data. Your charts aren't even labeled so it's left to speculate what you're actually showing. Threads go to s*** when you start recommending to other people that they remove their cp-e products and calling them junk, etc for no reason. You're dangerous b/c you don't know anything and recommend that people put map clamps on their cars with no boost control.

B. People on here claim they got codes with the standback, read up new. I PERSONALLY SAW A CAR WITH I/TBE THROW THE CODE YOU RETARD. His sn on here is craighnjr

It was his intake most likely throwing off fuel trims. I could explain it again but you wouldn't listen anyway.

QUOTE=laloosh;3646349]C. I dont like dynos, i got by trap speeds.[/QUOTE]

And this would be the worst sort of (non)data as the biggest variable of all would the driver ability, not to mention ambient temperature, humidity, wind speed/direction, track temp, etc.

D. Stay out of my threads, u dont knwo what your talking about. I showed u video proof of whats happening and you just deny it, just liek you denied my throttle openining more with the pump. AS for the way cpe datalogs, its complete bulls*** for a 650 dollar "piggyback" Why do u own a dashhawk if you like the cpe unit so much?

You showed a video of a boost gauge and offer no explanation for your car's boost. You've never answered the question about what you think is controlling your boost since you've blinded your ecu.
I bought the dashhawk b/c it does afr from the factory wideband and it will allow me to get egt on the same device should I choose to get their egt option.

The standback works flawlessly. WHat's your problem with it? I can tune whatever I want, fuel, timing fuel pressure. I can control a meth kit. I can change the P, I, and D boost control parameters individually. The factory boost control is just a proportion loop (p). I can change the control frequency of the WG solenoid from the factory setting (20 Hz) to 60 Hz to have a more refined boost control. Have fun with your map clamp... Cobb will be out by September... Ought to be a good summer for ya.

I planned on using the cpe to tune boost and fuel for my AP when I get it. Ive stated that. Im not optimistic that it will be that great of an option. Its better than nothing. Its still a weak tuning solution and it sounds like all the 3d jazz, and moving maps and s***, that their planning for version 2, wont improve that.

You plan on using the standback to control boost while allowing the Accessport to tune fuel? What? This makes no sense.

They didn't ban Laloosh. The moderators banned Laloosh b/c of his behavior on the other forum. cp-e complained, and rightly so, b/c he was posting bulls*** in THEIR subforum and the moderators knew they were right and banned him.

They banned Laloosh because his pump findings didnt suck like their pump findings. they banned him out of spite. They banned him for less than you could get banned here for with the attitude youve got. Maybe we should ban you because you disagree with us..... The subforum is exactly where the dialogue with the customer SHOULD have taken place. Laloosh runs a 12.9 with a competing pump, and gets banned because CPE doesnt like all the publicity and it just seems "impossible". Stupid... it was obvious to all involved what that was all about.

They banned him for inflammatory posts and PMs to other members recommending that they remove their cp-e products.

Show me the underhanded backstabbing stuff or stfu. You like to make claims like this but there is nothing there except for you and your ilk making claims of backstabbing and underhanded tactics. Where's the proof?

Im not going to show you. But Ive heard things theyve said about my PERSONAL situation, not knowing who I am.... that were flat out false. They spread rumor as fact and their worse than teenage girls at 9th grade study hall. Im not going to elaborate any more on this because it involves falsehoods involving other guys besides me. And by repeating it... it just increases the rumormongering.

This is classic. You come on claiming underhanded, backstabbing tactics and then refuse to describe the situation b/c you don't want to spread rumors, etc.

You're comparing fuel pumps based on thread length. Truly you are a moron.

If I announced my new homemade CAI with dyno proven gains of 10 whp and12 trq.... how long do you think the thread would be. Dumbass... I was using it as an example of the fact that the seemingly pathetic gains your car showed on the dyno, barely measured a blip on the radar for their "proven" pump.

Guys get excited at results. A couple hundred posts per pump thread and cdfp references in damn near every topic is a surefire way to measure success. cdfp's are a ghost town topic on your forum because quite frankly, the most high profile pump.....yours.... did basically nothing for your car.

You're still doing it. Look how long this thread has gotten. Must have been a great product. Oh, wait... Nevermind.

Except that Driver's pump seized on the dyno. Another member has been through two pumps b/c both failed. Obviously something wasn't right.

You dont have the first clue about the circumstances and causes of these pumps. I do. We know what was wrong. You obviously dont. Quit repeating bulls*** information that your receiving from CPE. Keep up with the threads here and you wont sound like such a dumbass with your facts. Its rather clear at this point that it isnt quality control that may have caused some of the error. It was installation error.

Installation of internals? You mean pump assembly right? That's exactly why cp-e/ARP tests every single pump so rigorously. Thanks for proving my point.

Does this mean your the guy with the two failed pumps? Nice.

Wrong again. I did not have a seizure. If you had a clue about my pump like the rest of the guys here DO, youd understand why you dont know what your talking about. Ive talked in depth to all the guys whove had problems. Have you? Has CPE? No?......Then back up.

So, what's the deal? Why did your pump fail?

cdfp's have caused pissing contests since CPE banned Laloosh, for arguing their obviously(in retrospect)...flawed findings. Flawed findings mostly becuase they were arguing about a different pump than were going to be running on our cars, it seems.

I have no doubt that if Laloosh and DaDa bumped into each other in an airport lounge for a couple hours..... that theyd get on famously. The internet is just different. Guys will fart around for 20 pages trashing a caliber saying the same thing over and over. Its gonna be the same with such a controversial part as these cdfp's.

And CPE crossed a line from the get go. Dadas their voicebox, and that keeps it going.

cp-e didn't cross any line. You're distorting the facts and spreading more rumors... cp-e does not have the power to ban anyone anywhere. They complained to the moderators about Laloosh's conduct in THEIR subforum and for his personal PMs to other members trashing cp-e products. The moderators looked at the situation and banned him. cp-e acted correctly. The moderators acted correctly.

 

[palerider]

Then why was he reinstated so fast after the public outcry..... it was because the board was taking a PR hit for CPEs childness.

I think my part in this argument, probably needs to come to a grinding halt on the other stuff. I simply agree to disagree. And I'll state that Im glad I wont be running a cpe pump..... for a variety of reasons....... Mostly performance oriented.

And as far as tuning goes..... the AP is going to be a flash. It will be months if ever, before were actually able to adjust boost and fuel with it. The standback will have to do until then. When street or protuner comes out. I'll give the standback to a local teenager.

 

[dadasracecar]

He was only banned for a week.

 

[palerider]

He was only banned for a week.

nice try... it was SUPPOSED to be a week. But it was such an embarassment he was reinstated within 48 hrs.

You dont remember s*** very well do you?

 

[laloosh]

He was only banned for a week.

first of all, i never told people to take off their cpe parts. I took off my cpe parts and no1 elses. I can bash whatever parts i want in MY thread. Boards arnt only about praising parts, they are about stating your opinions.

Next, the cars that threw codes with the addittion of the standback didnt throw codes prior to the standback so go **** ureself cuase your wrong

My data and charts arnt labled cause im not here to sell anything, why are all these other speed 3 sputter all of sudden? Think hard moron

I told you that i don't know what really controls the boost, but its not the map based on my findings. I turned it down to 8 psi and up to 17 and the boost didnt even change. So once again, story of ure life, you're wrong.

As for dyno's vs the track, the track is far better. ITs called REAL LIFE TUNNING. Real load, real conditions. Look at the dynoes here, people dyno 214 and 250 bone stock, yea thats accurate. Dynos change as well newb, and based on my personal experience i dont really trust them.

And finally, your still slow(second)

 

[dadasracecar]

first of all, i never told people to take off their cpe parts. I took off my cpe parts and no1 elses. I can bash whatever parts i want in MY thread. Boards arnt only about praising parts, they are about stating your opinions.

And I can come and tell people why what you say is wrong and all speculation with no hard evidence and that you're a fool with a big mouth.

Next, the cars that threw codes with the addittion of the standback didnt throw codes prior to the standback so go **** ureself cuase your wrong

If the fuel trims are all out of whack b/c of a crappy intake design, the standback will, in some cases, make the car more sensitive to this. Had the intake been removed the CEL would have gone away. Had the intake been replaced with a properly designed intake (Cobb, cp-e) that doesn't have turbulence before the sensor, there would have been no cel to begin with b/c the fuel trims would have been stable.

My data and charts arnt labled cause im not here to sell anything, why are all these other speed 3 sputter all of sudden? Think hard moron

Then why post them. They're useless lines on a chart yet you posted them to prove a point. Additionally, you change more than one variable at a time making your data impossible to draw conclusions from.

I told you that i don't know what really controls the boost, but its not the map based on my findings. I turned it down to 8 psi and up to 17 and the boost didnt even change. So once again, story of ure life, you're wrong.

Well that's just fabulous. Hey guys, everybody wire something in to your map sensor and go with it. I don't really know what it does but it's cool....

As for dyno's vs the track, the track is far better. ITs called REAL LIFE TUNNING. Real load, real conditions. Look at the dynoes here, people dyno 214 and 250 bone stock, yea thats accurate. Dynos change as well newb, and based on my personal experience i dont really trust them.

I'm not making the argument that dynos are the only numbers that count. I'm making the argument that they are the only way to determine if any mod makes a difference or not. A track time tells you that you got there faster or slower. Driver experience/performance, ambient temperature, track temperature, humidity, wind speed/direction all affect this and so it is near impossible to determine the effect of a mod based on the track time. Go ahead though, do some ricemath about how much more horsepower your car has b/c you got X much faster. Here's a question: When was the last time you had your car weighed for these calculations you're doing?

And finally, your still slow(second)

Come down and do a dyno pull. I'll pay. You're faster than me b/c your car is 400+ lbs lighter than mine and doesn't have the AWD drivetrain losses. Simple as that. If I wanted to go faster than you, I'd just go get a hyabusa. I wanted AWD and a sedan. I'd still run you though. I'm not sure you're as fast as you think you are....

 

[laloosh]

And I can come and tell people why what you say is wrong and all speculation with no hard evidence and that you're a fool with a big mouth.

funny thing is that i show evidence. Once again when it comes to this board i think it safe to say that people will follow my opinion over yours. I dont need to show detailed graphs or label them to your standards. just like driver doesnt need to anymore either. By now, to most, we have both prooved ourselves not to be liars

If the fuel trims are all out of whack b/c of a crappy intake design, the standback will, in some cases, make the car more sensitive to this. Had the intake been removed the CEL would have gone away. Had the intake been replaced with a properly designed intake (Cobb, cp-e) that doesn't have turbulence before the sensor, there would have been no cel to begin with b/c the fuel trims would have been stable

fuel trims are a part of it, but the cars DONT THROW THE CODE PRIOR TO THE STANDBACK. So now the pos leans cars out with everythign zeroed out, leans them out enough to actually throw two codes, lean off idle and lean on idle....yea that something i want on my car. Even from my own personal experience, my tune would change and the second i took the standback of my car, my car ran richer, once again documented by my eyes. Belive me or dont, i dont really care.

Then why post them. They're useless lines on a chart yet you posted them to prove a point. Additionally, you change more than one variable at a time making your data impossible to draw conclusions from

Because im not here to sell anything to any1, my rep>your rep, i dont need to get into detail over these things. GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY I NEED TO LIE ABOUT RESULTS? FOR WHAT? think about this. As for the variable i changed, go **** ure self if u think 1 psi is going to flaw data. You ureself actually LOST whp by going up one psi.

Well that's just fabulous. Hey guys, everybody wire something in to your map sensor and go with it. I don't really know what it does but it's cool....

It prevents boost cut, and doesnt alter timing, a/f, or BOOST LEVELS. Try again.

I'm not making the argument that dynos are the only numbers that count. I'm making the argument that they are the only way to determine if any mod makes a difference or not. A track time tells you that you got there faster or slower. Driver experience/performance, ambient temperature, track temperature, humidity, wind speed/direction all affect this and so it is near impossible to determine the effect of a mod based on the track time. Go ahead though, do some ricemath about how much more horsepower your car has b/c you got X much faster. Here's a question: When was the last time you had your car weighed for these calculations you're doing?

car was weighed last time it was on the track, im not doing ANY calculations newb. quote me where i calculated anything off my track times. The closes thing to calculations said by was: my car is around the 330 range based on trap speed and full weight of the car plus me. As for the before/after track time. It was actually cooler and less humid on the stock pump run, and hotter/more humid on the pg pump run. There was no wind on both days. Same drive, same 2.0 60. Different shift points as the power changed. You like dyno's, i like tracks. /discussion

Come down and do a dyno pull. I'll pay. You're faster than me b/c your car is 200 - 400 lbs lighter than mine and doesn't have the AWD drivetrain losses. Simple as that. If I wanted to go faster than you, I'd just go get a hyabusa. I wanted AWD and a sedan. I'd still run you though. I'm not sure you're as fast as you think you are....

yea let me drive 400 miles round trip to same 150 on a dyno just to shut u up. (cricket)

I have proof of h ow fast i am, do u have proof of how fast you are?
Heres a 105 car vs me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGKofbyIYOQ
i guess thats just more proof, btw i started in 3rd at 40, hence the reason i didnt initially pull hard. Btw that 105 car is about where u are, so if we ever do meet, ure going to my sig with a link to the video

 

[driver311]

laloosh is there not a local dyno you can go to? im pretty sure there is. hit that s*** up.

if lalooshes car is as fast as mine then it will probaby own you bad. i wouldnt even bother racing it. It would take a 75shot of nitrous on the ms6 to hang with his car. They are that much faster. Put it this way i went 12.7 with two mods and the ms6 takes a upgraded turbo to do that.

 

[laloosh]

laloosh is there not a local dyno you can go to? im pretty sure there is. hit that s*** up.

i dont feel like blowing 100 bucks to just shut up cpe fanbois. Tell you what dadaracecar. You paypal me for a dyno and ill go on the same dyno that darksun went. He dynoed 246whp bone stock on it.

 

[GS455]

When drag racing, track times are the only thing that makes a difference!
Bench racing wont get it done. At a national event conditions are the same for every car. Power to weight ratios are used to classify the cars. You would be at a disadvantage big-time weighing 400 lbs. more. Probably 4 tenths on the tree running heads-up.

 

[driver311]

i dont feel like blowing 100 bucks to just shut up cpe fanbois. Tell you what dadaracecar. You paypal me for a dyno and ill go on the same dyno that darksun went. He dynoed 246whp bone stock on it.

id be curious to see what kind of power you are making. 246whp is right on par. Mine made 240whp. So mines no freak just set up right.

 

[mrlilguy157]

i dont feel like blowing 100 bucks to just shut up cpe fanbois. Tell you what dadaracecar. You paypal me for a dyno and ill go on the same dyno that darksun went. He dynoed 246whp bone stock on it.

I do.

2 hours of dyno time next saturday. stock car pull, stock with pump pull. all bolts ons pull, all bolt ons with upgrade pump pull. upgraded pump with meth pull.

2hrs for all of the labor that will be done ON the dyno. intake, pump on and off, boost controller, etc....

 

[laloosh]

I do.

2 hours of dyno time next saturday. stock car pull, stock with pump pull. all bolts ons pull, all bolt ons with upgrade pump pull. upgraded pump with meth pull.

2hrs for all of the labor that will be done ON the dyno. intake, pump on and off, boost controller, etc....

well it is ure pump, so i guess u want to shut all the haters up. Ill see how i feel, maybe ill go dyno with darky, than again Vday>bank account

 

[palerider]

I just thought of something. How the heck is CPE gonna sell pumps that have all been preinstalled, and pretested by APR?

Where are they going to get all those housings without an exchange program?

 

[mrlilguy157]

I just thought of something. How the heck is CPE gonna sell pumps that have all been preinstalled, and pretested by APR?

Where are they going to get all those housings without an exchange program?

don't know. maybe APR is getting the pumps directly from Hitachi for their VW pumps too, and CP-E is able to port through them to get a hell of a deal. Don't know, don't care.

New info coming soon, charts, graphs, etc... I'm compiling stuff as we speak.