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[Captain KRM P5]

threads like this are exactly why i am glad to not be directly involved in making these pumps. you guys can hash it out all you want.

two quick things - i don't see how we rushed anything to market. we made sure there were four vehicles running working pumps with decent miles logged before retail pricing even hit the street. what happened after that was regrettable at best. mrlilguy feels our assembly is at fault and will be taking full responsiblity for the pump from this point on, and if things go awry then he will take the responsibility for that as well. i am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. i have no problem providing material and marketing support to mrlilguy but i personally am done with the stress and bitterness involved with the fuel pump.

regardless, it will not make or break my company - as a cp-e vendor i have the opportunity to provide thier product when it becomes available and there are other companies who have stated thier willingness to produce pumps for this car. if people want to fight about it to prove thier righteousness on the internet they can be my guest.

 

[dadasracecar]

first of all read the "my problem with cpe" thread then speak. 2nd of all, please stay out of this tread with ure cpe bulls***.

You have no idea of how the boost control of your car works. THat's not cp-e stuff. THat's a fact. You wondered why your boost wasn't lowered when you set your clamp to 17. You're clueless. It's a clamp. If the boost never gets to 17 (b/c factory is set to 15.6), there is nothing to clamp.

The standback is nothing more than a safc with a built in boost controller. It does nothign special, it leans certain cars out and throws codes. It doesnt even pick up the WGDC on the speed 3. The datalogging with it is a joke compared to the way the DH does it. Any who tried datalogging with this thing can attest how stupid it is. IT datalogs everything and gives u giant excel sheet with numbers and abbrivations everywhere. Control fuel pressure with it? HOW? I couldnt change s*** besides boost, fuel, and timing.

It has a better boost controller than the factory boost control. The stock ecu controls boost with a simple proportion loop at 20 Hz. The standback uses a PID loop and is capable of controlling at a much faster frequency. I'm using 60 Hz. The standback can go higher but I don't think the WG can.

It does not "lean certain cars out and throw codes." THis is complete unsubstantiated bulls*** and you saying it is why you got banned from the other forum. How about Laloosh ***** trannies. Again, complete unsubstantiated bulls*** but now you have to defend it. See how that works?

You're actually complaining about too many variables that can be datalogged by the standback? Are you serious with this. There were too many for you? WTF?

It has a fuel pressure adder feature. I guess you never bothered to look at it.

daddies lil race car: you forgot to mention that driver picked up 40whp after 6k rpm where you pos dynoed at 280 fully bolted....yea keep talking up cpe...ure looking like an idiot

Never seen any dyno graphs from you or your clan. Where are they? Or is this just more claims that you're throwing around?

 

[laloosh]

You have no idea of how the boost control of your car works. THat's not cp-e stuff. THat's a fact. You wondered why your boost wasn't lowered when you set your clamp to 17. You're clueless. It's a clamp. If the boost never gets to 17 (b/c factory is set to 15.6), there is nothing to clamp.



It has a better boost controller than the factory boost control. The stock ecu controls boost with a simple proportion loop at 20 Hz. The standback uses a PID loop and is capable of controlling at a much faster frequency. I'm using 60 Hz. The standback can go higher but I don't think the WG can.

It does not "lean certain cars out and throw codes." THis is complete unsubstantiated bulls*** and you saying it is why you got banned from the other forum. How about Laloosh ***** trannies. Again, complete unsubstantiated bulls*** but now you have to defend it. See how that works?



You're actually complaining about too many variables that can be datalogged by the standback? Are you serious with this. There were too many for you? WTF?

It has a fuel pressure adder feature. I guess you never bothered to look at it.




Never seen any dyno graphs from you or your clan. Where are they? Or is this just more claims that you're throwing around?

A. The dash Hawk reads the map sensor, the dashhawk read 17.x hence the map reading 17.x. My boost guage read 19 plus. Expalin that to me, cause according to your theory i should be putting out 13ish not 19ish. I showed you video of this and yet you still deny it.

B. People on here claim they got codes with the standback, read up new. I PERSONALLY SAW A CAR WITH I/TBE THROW THE CODE YOU RETARD. His sn on here is craighnjr

C. I dont like dynos, i got by trap speeds.

D. Stay out of my threads, u dont knwo what your talking about. I showed u video proof of whats happening and you just deny it, just liek you denied my throttle openining more with the pump. AS for the way cpe datalogs, its complete bulls*** for a 650 dollar "piggyback" Why do u own a dashhawk if you like the cpe unit so much?

 

[palerider]

I screwed my post up..... but heres my reponse to your callout Dada.

The standback works flawlessly. WHat's your problem with it? I can tune whatever I want, fuel, timing fuel pressure. I can control a meth kit. I can change the P, I, and D boost control parameters individually. The factory boost control is just a proportion loop (p). I can change the control frequency of the WG solenoid from the factory setting (20 Hz) to 60 Hz to have a more refined boost control. Have fun with your map clamp... Cobb will be out by September... Ought to be a good summer for ya.

I planned on using the cpe to tune boost and fuel for my AP when I get it. Ive stated that. Im not optimistic that it will be that great of an option. Its better than nothing. Its still a weak tuning solution and it sounds like all the 3d jazz, and moving maps and s***, that their planning for version 2, wont improve that.

They didn't ban Laloosh. The moderators banned Laloosh b/c of his behavior on the other forum. cp-e complained, and rightly so, b/c he was posting bulls*** in THEIR subforum and the moderators knew they were right and banned him.

They banned Laloosh because his pump findings didnt suck like their pump findings. they banned him out of spite. They banned him for less than you could get banned here for with the attitude youve got. Maybe we should ban you because you disagree with us..... The subforum is exactly where the dialogue with the customer SHOULD have taken place. Laloosh runs a 12.9 with a competing pump, and gets banned because CPE doesnt like all the publicity and it just seems "impossible". Stupid... it was obvious to all involved what that was all about.

Show me the underhanded backstabbing stuff or stfu. You like to make claims like this but there is nothing there except for you and your ilk making claims of backstabbing and underhanded tactics. Where's the proof?

Im not going to show you. But Ive heard things theyve said about my PERSONAL situation, not knowing who I am.... that were flat out false. They spread rumor as fact and their worse than teenage girls at 9th grade study hall. Im not going to elaborate any more on this because it involves falsehoods involving other guys besides me. And by repeating it... it just increases the rumormongering.

You're comparing fuel pumps based on thread length. Truly you are a moron.

If I announced my new homemade CAI with dyno proven gains of 10 whp and12 trq.... how long do you think the thread would be. Dumbass... I was using it as an example of the fact that the seemingly pathetic gains your car showed on the dyno, barely measured a blip on the radar for their "proven" pump.

Guys get excited at results. A couple hundred posts per pump thread and cdfp references in damn near every topic is a surefire way to measure success. cdfp's are a ghost town topic on your forum because quite frankly, the most high profile pump.....yours.... did basically nothing for your car.

Except that Driver's pump seized on the dyno. Another member has been through two pumps b/c both failed. Obviously something wasn't right.

You dont have the first clue about the circumstances and causes of these pumps. I do. We know what was wrong. You obviously dont. Quit repeating bulls*** information that your receiving from CPE. Keep up with the threads here and you wont sound like such a dumbass with your facts. Its rather clear at this point that it isnt quality control that may have caused some of the error. It was installation error.

Does this mean your the guy with the two failed pumps? Nice.

Wrong again. I did not have a seizure. If you had a clue about my pump like the rest of the guys here DO, youd understand why you dont know what your talking about. Ive talked in depth to all the guys whove had problems. Have you? Has CPE? No?......Then back up.

 

[palerider]

two quick things - i don't see how we rushed anything to market. we made sure there were four vehicles running working pumps with decent miles logged before retail pricing even hit the street. what happened after that was regrettable at best. mrlilguy feels our assembly is at fault and will be taking full responsiblity for the pump from this point on, and if things go awry then he will take the responsibility for that as well. i am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. i have no problem providing material and marketing support to mrlilguy but i personally am done with the stress and bitterness involved with the fuel pump.

Ken this thread is about fuel pumps, and the flow, characteristics, and quality of them. There is about to be several on the market. Not just Cpes and Mrlilguy. Its the most important mod you can have considering we all have disi engines and the limitations of power they present.

Its a valid topic.

They werent rushed to market at all. The Volkswagon market has been a pretty big field test. If more seize with proper installation.... which may happen... then we'll deal with it then. In the meantime, there will be more and more guys, calling laloosh out for a roadrace... Because there will be many more pumps that DONT seize.... and run friggin great.

Like mine now....(mj)

 

[laloosh]

You have to compare logs from the same car under the same conditions/mods/settings.

Its the same reason why you do before and after dynos on the same dyno same day.

1psi, aka going from 17 to 18psi isnt going to change much if anything at all.

 

[palerider]

1psi, aka going from 17 to 18psi isnt going to change much if anything at all.

Hey Laloosh... its seems its just me and you now. You want to argue about something stupid with me, until the other guys get back?

 

[laloosh]

also for the record, i appriciate when guys say that ive done alot for this community but when u think about i havnt done s*** but posted my results of what other people have discovered.

Map clamp = truboost
Spring mod = driver
Fuel pump = mrlilguy
chump who tests everything for himself = laloosh (wiggle)

 

[laloosh]

Hey Laloosh... its seems its just me and you now. You want to argue about something stupid with me, until the other guys get back?

silver cars are faster(drive)

 

[palerider]

silver cars are faster(drive)

yeah...well.... maybe. But black is harder to keep clean, and something else too. I dont remember.

Im getting tired....lol

 

[laloosh]

red sled>all

im done.....for tonight(chair)

 

[driver311]

silver cars are faster(drive)

I beg to differ playa. I got money on lil red!!!!!

 

[laloosh]

well whatever the case may be. I just feel weird being appricated so much for all the "mods" that i didnt come up with. Just wanted to throw that out there to every1 lol. As for the money thing, when u find some, sharing is caring. Speaking of money, stupid vday.....(screwy)

 

[palerider]

Hey... will a aftermarket turbo, running at about 26 psi, using very little engine management, make the list.

I just wanna know. Im feeling left out...lol

 

[redrocketz]

Hey... will a aftermarket turbo, running at about 26 psi, using very little engine management, make the list.

I just wanna know. Im feeling left out...lol

You WILL blow your s*** at that point no matter what your AFR's are.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Ken this thread is about fuel pumps, and the flow, characteristics, and quality of them. There is about to be several on the market. Not just Cpes and Mrlilguy. Its the most important mod you can have considering we all have disi engines and the limitations of power they present.

Its a valid topic.

this thread has become more of a pissing contest as to who knows what and which company/individual knows more than anything else. its devolving into more about why X was banned from Y for Z company drama than it is constructive information. thats why i don't like dealing with this particular product and this type of drama.

yes, its an important part. yes, its alot of money. yes, its a valid topic that people should be aware of and people should have open and unbiased access to impartial and factual information on. the problem i have is not with any of that, but with how things are being carried on by people. the personal attacks and drama have no validity on how any of these pumps perform and will only cloud the issue for the uninitiated outsider just looking for how a part works.

charts, numbers, experiences, facts are what make parts work and worthy of purchase. why someone gets banned on a forum that has nothing to do with this one and our individual opinions on it do not. if everyone disagrees with me on that, they are freely entitled to do so.

it was stated earlier in this thread that "PG rushed these pumps to market" which is where I was making reference to initially.

 

[laloosh]

i posted charts, data, experiences. These threads go to s*** when dadaracecar chimes in with his info, that goes directly against what is posted.

 

[Haltech]

sorry i didn't realize your car was far more superior than anyone elses and that it was perfect with mods and no tune. keep on keepin on. it would lead me to believe that your fuel pump is what helps keep the afr up closer to 12 cause i would say most see around 10:1 at WOT.

You're just a moron... Nice of you to bring such expertise to the table < eyeroll >

 

[Haltech]

IMO, the thing that makes the cpe version look like a better option is that they didn't rush to market with a product that failed for some users (sputtering & not flowing = fail). I realize it is spec'd to flows less and costs more and once everything is said and done, will probably not be an issue moving forward, but in my mind, that is hard to get over.

There is a whole anti-CPE movement going on now that I don't completely understand and don't really want to get into with anyone, so i'll just drop that nugget and step back...(kiss)

Funny.. the one pump i heard about that they installed had " issues " and the car didnt provide anymore power other than poor driveability. I like CP-E as a company but i gotta wonder where all the cheerleaders are coming from. Every CP-e powered car around here ive seen is getting their asses handed to them by non CPE tuned bolt-on's. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

 

[Haltech]

I just read that you did the "spring mod" and THAT was supposed to help with the "boost cut." That spring mod is helping the ignition which has nothing to do with fuel.

If your coil isnt tight, youre not going to get all of the juice to the plug. That will cause driveability issues when you turn up the power, which is exactly what he he experienced. These cars are very sensitive with power to the coils and ignition.

With the this boost/fuel cut coming it at mainly cold temps, it sounds exactly like the MAF pegging problem that can plague modified Lightnings and Cobras that do not upgrade their MAFs or tune to extend its range. This actually could be what is happening to the MS3 and is something the Cobb AP could fix if it is capable of tuning that parameter.

There's no way in hell the MAF is pegging. That would give mazda on a +10 delta margin in their programming and no engineer is going to sign off on that. There is a glitch in the cold weather map programming that needs to be addressed by Mazda themselves. A simple resistor mod works as a band aid until mazda fixes this issue.

I see the MAP clamp helping trick the computer in to providing more fuel in higher boost and this preventing this "cut" and I can see a better pump helping prevent this as well, but if it is something like the MAF pegging then tuning and eventually an MAF upgrade would do wonders and then the big turbos, etc that could use the fuel system upgrades could come online.

Im getting the idea that you really know dont what the hell youre talking about. ITs time for you to pull up a chair and begin reading threads over the last 10 months.

I am not questioning the need for a pump with your mods since I don't have any idea as to what the stock pump's limits really are and have seen not hard data on that so please don't misunderstand where I am coming from. I am just thinking out loud...

Stock pump with CAI, TBE and youre pushing the pump.

But the "spring mod" helps with spark, so if that solved your problem, then we need to look at other things...

Thanks and come back next year