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[driver311]

Yes that would be wonderful! Mrlilguy should be paying you to market his product for him. Lol

Why would he. Im running a pump I got from pg. I will be also testing a new more economical and hopefully higher flowing pump from PTP. ILL post more about that in a new thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Should be interested to say the least.

 

[JumpingJackson]

Thanks for all your doing for the community Driver!
Well hes selling the same product that PG was isnt he??
just hes putting them together himself, so assuming they both function properly they would have the same performance characteristics.

 

[driver311]

Thanks for all your doing for the community Driver!
Well hes selling the same product that PG isnt he?
just hes putting them together himself.

No problem but Im not the only one helping out the community. There is a handfull of others that also need to be thanked for their continued support on figuring this hog out. Ill keep doing my best to help myself and others out. (boobs)

 

[nypest]

Why would he. Im running a pump I got from pg. I will be also testing a new more economical and hopefully higher flowing pump from PTP. ILL post more about that in a new thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Should be interested to say the least.

hot!

 

[PR5Matt]

btw my car was boosting 19psi before the map clamp was even installed and hitting boost cut....so your theory is pretty much otd.

once again how many people on here are hitting 18psi with breathing mods and boost cutting on teh stock map signal?! TONS!!!

So just clear things up a little: Is the map clamp preventing boost cut with your mods, or if the PG pump doing it (or is it a combination)? In you opinion (with all of what you have experienced).

Sorry if this is a redundant question, but just wanted to see what you might say.

Thanks.

 

[northmiler89]

just wanted to clear up that i am on your and driver311s side, always have been! Just saying that how your cars are kind of factory freaks along the quickness side i think mine may be on the fuel delievery side. This car pulls hard.. yeah yea everyone thinks their car is fast.. but it pulls hard on cars that have run low 13s and high 12s in the 1/4th around here.. i just dont feel that i need the pump yet.. (spin)

 

[PR5Matt]

I just read that you did the "spring mod" and THAT was supposed to help with the "boost cut." That spring mod is helping the ignition which has nothing to do with fuel.

With the this boost/fuel cut coming it at mainly cold temps, it sounds exactly like the MAF pegging problem that can plague modified Lightnings and Cobras that do not upgrade their MAFs or tune to extend its range. This actually could be what is happening to the MS3 and is something the Cobb AP could fix if it is capable of tuning that parameter.

I see the MAP clamp helping trick the computer in to providing more fuel in higher boost and this preventing this "cut" and I can see a better pump helping prevent this as well, but if it is something like the MAF pegging then tuning and eventually an MAF upgrade would do wonders and then the big turbos, etc that could use the fuel system upgrades could come online.

I am not questioning the need for a pump with your mods since I don't have any idea as to what the stock pump's limits really are and have seen not hard data on that so please don't misunderstand where I am coming from. I am just thinking out loud...

But the "spring mod" helps with spark, so if that solved your problem, then we need to look at other things...

 

[nypest]

Yes that would be wonderful! Mrlilguy should be paying you to market his product for him. LOL
Does the dashhawk read things like fuel pressure or injector duty cycle or pulse width? I have one on the way that i ordered from Autocom
I would imagine logging some of those fuel related variables would also provide some more insight on the differences between the various pumps. (mrlilguy,cpe,stock)

there are lots of stock fp logs already and laosh posted a pg cdfp log as well

 

[JumpingJackson]

there are lots of stock fp logs already and laosh posted a pg cdfp log as well

You have to compare logs from the same car under the same conditions/mods/settings.

Its the same reason why you do before and after dynos on the same dyno same day.

 

[nypest]

You have to compare logs from the same car under the same conditions/mods/settings.

Its the same reason why you do before and after dynos on the same dyno same day.

i understand ...... i have stock pump logs and will have cdfp logs 10 min after its installed laloosh has both under the same set up

 

[nypest]

I just read that you did the "spring mod" and THAT was supposed to help with the "boost cut." That spring mod is helping the ignition which has nothing to do with fuel.

With the this boost/fuel cut coming it at mainly cold temps, it sounds exactly like the MAF pegging problem that can plague modified Lightnings and Cobras that do not upgrade their MAFs or tune to extend its range. This actually could be what is happening to the MS3 and is something the Cobb AP could fix if it is capable of tuning that parameter.

I see the MAP clamp helping trick the computer in to providing more fuel in higher boost and this preventing this "cut" and I can see a better pump helping prevent this as well, but if it is something like the MAF pegging then tuning and eventually an MAF upgrade would do wonders and then the big turbos, etc that could use the fuel system upgrades could come online.

I am not questioning the need for a pump with your mods since I don't have any idea as to what the stock pump's limits really are and have seen not hard data on that so please don't misunderstand where I am coming from. I am just thinking out loud...

But the "spring mod" helps with spark, so if that solved your problem, then we need to look at other things...

if your talking about driver he is the founder of the springmod!

 

[PR5Matt]

I think that laloosh did it too.

 

[redrocketz]

Every cp-e pump will be flow tested over the entire rpm range. They will be leak down tested and tested for operational service at max flow for a specified time period (45 min @ max flow IIRC). They are assembled in a clean room and the internals are specially coated to prevent abrasion and improve operation. None of these things are done with the PG pumps.



THat's interesting. Why are you glad you waited?

We are NOT selling our own pumps the pumps are built by Mrlilguy and are he responsibility now. you can order the pump through us but he is making them and testing them.

 

[nypest]

I think that laloosh did it too.

yes he did!! These 2 kats do some major work forthis community..Along with many others!

 

[driver311]

yes he did!! These 2 kats do some major work forthis community..Along with many others!

Quite a few guys on the ms6 side have done it with badass results.

 

[palerider]

IMO, the thing that makes the cpe version look like a better option is that they didn't rush to market with a product that failed for some users (sputtering & not flowing = fail). I realize it is spec'd to flows less and costs more and once everything is said and done, will probably not be an issue moving forward, but in my mind, that is hard to get over.

There is a whole anti-CPE movement going on now that I don't completely understand and don't really want to get into with anyone, so i'll just drop that nugget and step back...(kiss)

In one sense if PG hadnt rushed this to market....then I wouldnt have a pump waiting for me in OK.

Laloosh wouldnt have been the first car over 110 and into the 12's on street tires.

And we would be sitting on our asses waiting for more disappointment from CPE products.

The anti-CPE movement is because they banned Laloosh on the other forum, disappointed us with the standback, and use underhanded backstabbing to trash the competiton around the shop and over the phones. They have big mouths and everybody they confide their opinions with is not as quiet as they think they are. I'll leave at that. Their standback ver2 better be hit like Hiroshima or there done.

And as far as their pump flowing less and that not being a big deal.... ha. Thier prototype on Dadas car was a joke. His thread lasted a second. The Autotech pump that Mrlilguy is gonna be putting out is still making 12 page threads. Go over to the other board and look how many fuel pump threads there are. ******* none. Just the way CPE wants it. That way when they release their wittybitty uppgrade... they'll be heros.

And over here we'll be making 11's.. Alot of us.

Once again.... thankyou PG for "rushing this to market". And giving us the oppurtunity to really screw up our cars.... like Lalooshs, and Drivers.

 

[palerider]

And one more thing. Im the guy who may have a right to complain... but Im not. Sure things could have been handled differently, but if they had.... Id be sitting here with no clue on what a damn cdfp is. Instead....

well I wouldnt trade where Im at. And I think alot of other guys on this board would trade with me.

 

[SuperStretch18]

And one more thing. Im the guy who may have a right to complain... but Im not. Sure things could have been handled differently, but if they had.... Id be sitting here with no clue on what a damn cdfp is. Instead....

well I wouldnt trade where Im at. And I think alot of other guys on this board would trade with me.

I hear ya and I'm not at all knocking your set-up. And trust me, I do appreciate all of the things that laloosh and driver and you and all of the other DISI people who contribute here add to the conversation. Most don't realize how much they've already helped me (thank you!). I'm not really knocking PG or mrlilguy either; in fact if Ken would have sold me a pump when I asked him about it months ago, I would have one on my car right now!

I could go further into my thought process, but I don't want anyone to think I'm arguing with them and definitely not trying to get into a pissing match. Thanks again everyone...

 

[dadasracecar]

The anti-CPE movement is because they banned Laloosh on the other forum, disappointed us with the standback, and use underhanded backstabbing to trash the competiton around the shop and over the phones. They have big mouths and everybody they confide their opinions with is not as quiet as they think they are. I'll leave at that. Their standback ver2 better be hit like Hiroshima or there done.

The standback works flawlessly. WHat's your problem with it? I can tune whatever I want, fuel, timing fuel pressure. I can control a meth kit. I can change the P, I, and D boost control parameters individually. The factory boost control is just a proportion loop (p). I can change the control frequency of the WG solenoid from the factory setting (20 Hz) to 60 Hz to have a more refined boost control. Have fun with your map clamp... Cobb will be out by September... Ought to be a good summer for ya.

They didn't ban Laloosh. The moderators banned Laloosh b/c of his behavior on the other forum. cp-e complained, and rightly so, b/c he was posting bulls*** in THEIR subforum and the moderators knew they were right and banned him.

Show me the underhanded backstabbing stuff or stfu. You like to make claims like this but there is nothing there except for you and your ilk making claims of backstabbing and underhanded tactics. Where's the proof?

And as far as their pump flowing less and that not being a big deal.... ha. Thier prototype on Dadas car was a joke. His thread lasted a second. The Autotech pump that Mrlilguy is gonna be putting out is still making 12 page threads. Go over to the other board and look how many fuel pump threads there are. ******* none. Just the way CPE wants it. That way when they release their wittybitty uppgrade... they'll be heros.

You're comparing fuel pumps based on thread length. Truly you are a moron.

Once again.... thankyou PG for "rushing this to market". And giving us the oppurtunity to really screw up our cars.... like Lalooshs, and Drivers.

Except that Driver's pump seized on the dyno. Another member has been through two pumps b/c both failed. Obviously something wasn't right.

And one more thing. Im the guy who may have a right to complain... but Im not. Sure things could have been handled differently, but if they had.... Id be sitting here with no clue on what a damn cdfp is. Instead....

well I wouldnt trade where Im at. And I think alot of other guys on this board would trade with me.

Does this mean your the guy with the two failed pumps? Nice.

 

[laloosh]

first of all read the "my problem with cpe" thread then speak. 2nd of all, please stay out of this tread with ure cpe bulls***.

The standback is nothing more than a safc with a built in boost controller. It does nothign special, it leans certain cars out and throws codes. It doesnt even pick up the WGDC on the speed 3. The datalogging with it is a joke compared to the way the DH does it. Any who tried datalogging with this thing can attest how stupid it is. IT datalogs everything and gives u giant excel sheet with numbers and abbrivations everywhere. Control fuel pressure with it? HOW? I couldnt change s*** besides boost, fuel, and timing.

U want the standback but want to save ureself 500 bucks, get a bc and map clamp


daddies lil race car: you forgot to mention that driver picked up 40whp after 6k rpm where you pos dynoed at 280 fully bolted....yea keep talking up cpe...ure looking like an idiot