Funny way I got stuck

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So, I was in the garage the other night (late at night with everyone asleep) checking things out on the new to us CX-9. I have 2 child car seats in the second row and pretty much wrote off being able to use the 3rd row with those car seats in there. Well, I discovered that I could slide up the 2nd row (without folding obviously since the child seats are latched in) and squeeze into the back. Happy at my discovery, I slid back there and then I pulled the 2nd row seat towards me. Oh, Oh.
Now I had no way to get that second row seat to slide forward. I tried and tried to reach over the top to get to the lever under the 2nd row seats all to no avail. I had to climb over the second row. This was doubly difficult because there was very little room to squeeze in between the 2 car seats.
I had a good laugh over that.
 
So, I was in the garage the other night (late at night with everyone asleep) checking things out on the new to us CX-9. I have 2 child car seats in the second row and pretty much wrote off being able to use the 3rd row with those car seats in there. Well, I discovered that I could slide up the 2nd row (without folding obviously since the child seats are latched in) and squeeze into the back. Happy at my discovery, I slid back there and then I pulled the 2nd row seat towards me. Oh, Oh.
Now I had no way to get that second row seat to slide forward. I tried and tried to reach over the top to get to the lever under the 2nd row seats all to no avail. I had to climb over the second row. This was doubly difficult because there was very little room to squeeze in between the 2 car seats.
I had a good laugh over that.

Or you could have just pushed the lever on the back of the 2nd row of seats and slid them forward :)

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I couldn't. There were child car seats that were latched into the second row. The seats couldn't fold forward. When I got in, I used the lever under the front of the seat and slid them all the way forward. The backs were still upright because of the child seats. I had enough space to squeeze into the back and then I pulled the 2nd row seat back and it clicked into place thereby making me stuck.
 
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Oh, I assumed you were able to reach over the seat and loosen the child seat. FWIW I have 2 seats installed in the 3rd row, which leaves the 2nd row open. I actually had 3 adults, a 2yo, 3yo and two 4 year olds in the car last week. :)
 
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T.Narley;5882490 I actually had 3 adults said:
Are they all yours? Is this your house?

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My next door neighbor has 4 kids under 5 (her twins are 2), they are an absolute delight, but man I am glad when they go home!

Growing up, it seems like every family had a bunch of kids, now when you have more than one or two it's an anomaly.

Then you got these guys.....

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Oh, I assumed you were able to reach over the seat and loosen the child seat. FWIW I have 2 seats installed in the 3rd row, which leaves the 2nd row open. I actually had 3 adults, a 2yo, 3yo and two 4 year olds in the car last week. :)

I have my car seats in so tight that I need to get all my weight on them (using my knee) to be able to loosen them.
I am such a worry wort that I keep the child seats in the middle row. The 2 reasons being that LATCH is safer than seat belts and in addition the second row should be safer than the third row (because it is more centered in the vehicle), especially in a rear end collision situation. I am just weird like that.



Mr3Putt,
I had another oh, oh moment a few months ago. One of my hobbies is collecting and restoring pinball machines. Well, I was working under the playfield of a machine. They have prop rods (just like hoods on cars) to keep the playfield up while you work on it. While working, my elbow hits the prop rod and knocks it out....I had just enough time to think....oh, oh, before it came crashing down on my head. There are brackets and coils and all sorts of fun objects under a playfield.
 
Yeah, latch is the best. My next door neighbor is a fireman and he actually recently had to take another car seat class, 40 hours long, on top of his current training. Needless to say, my carseats are in as good as you can get them.

I put my knee in them with my full weight to tighten those suckers up, with the seatback slightly tilted back, and then I pull up on the top seatback lever and pull them tight.

If those carseats move at all , any wiggle, they are too loose.
 
I have my car seats in so tight that I need to get all my weight on them (using my knee) to be able to loosen them.
I am such a worry wort that I keep the child seats in the middle row.

Yea, my wife said the same thing. Reality is though, that most crashes are frontal collisions. Unless you spend a lot of time parked on the side of a freeway you are extremely unlikely to have a high speed rear end collision
The 2 reasons being that LATCH is safer than seat belts

That's a common misconception.

BritaxUSA said:
Q. Is LATCH/Universal Anchorage System safer than using the vehicle seat belt to install my child restraint?
A. Not necessarily. A correct installation is always safest and a correct installation using vehicle safety belts is proven very safe. LATCH/UAS was developed for improved ease-of-use installation so correct installations are easier and quicker. It was also developed to offer a consistent attachment system independent of vehicle belts.

LATCH makes it easier to install a seat in most cases, but the LATCH system is not as strong as the factory seat belt. Most vehicle manufacturers say to stop using LATCH when somewhere between 40 and 48lbs. Mazda does not specify a limit, so you will need to check your car-seat manual. If neither specify a number, the limit is 40lbs.

As a certified child safety seat technician I have encountered a wide variety of unsafe installs. A rear row install in a CX-9, in my opinion, ranks up there as one of the safest I have done.
and in addition the second row should be safer than the third row (because it is more centered in the vehicle), especially in a rear end collision situation. I am just weird like that.

Of course, the middle of the 2nd row is the absolute safest place. Ironically, Mazda didnt install lower LATCH anchors in that position (boom06)
 
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Yea, my wife said the same thing. Reality is though, that most crashes are frontal collisions. Unless you spend a lot of time parked on the side of a freeway you are extremely unlikely to have a high speed rear end collision

That's a common misconception.



LATCH makes it easier to install a seat in most cases, but the LATCH system is not as strong as the factory seat belt. Most vehicle manufacturers say to stop using LATCH when somewhere between 40 and 48lbs. Mazda does not specify a limit, so you will need to check your car-seat manual. If neither specify a number, the limit is 40lbs.

As a certified child safety seat technician I have encountered a wide variety of unsafe installs. A rear row install in a CX-9, in my opinion, ranks up there as one of the safest I have done.


Of course, the middle of the 2nd row is the absolute safest place. Ironically, Mazda didnt install lower LATCH anchors in that position (boom06)



Thanks for the info. I can say that when I was stuck back there I felt pretty safe. (boom06)

But seriously, that makes me reconsider my options. I always assumed LATCH was safer. My oldest is 40lbs. She bugs me to put her seat in the "trunk" (3rd row). I've only put her there once or twice. We have high back boosters but I'll put the seat with the harness back there (Graco Nautilus 3 in 1....got it because it was Consumer Reports top rated seat)....my daughter thanks you. Plus now I'll be able to use all 3 rows with the one seat in the rear. Plus it stops me from making myself trapped. (I still think it is hilarious)

Now my youngest, who just turned 1 is still rear facing, so she stays on the LATCH in the second row. I've been told that rear facing with seat belt is a huge pain.
I know the new recommendations are for children to remain rear facing until 2 years old, but even as cautious as I am with safety, I don't think we will make it until 2. Already her feet are pressed against the seat back and by 2 her knees might be to her face rear facing.

One thing I really like, make that, love about the CX-9 is that the car seats go in so easy. I put them in, kneel on the seat bottom pull tight and I'm done. My wife's Acura RDX is a huge pain. It takes a long time of shifting and tugging and yanking to get the seats secure. It can easily take me 10-15 mins on the RDX whereas the CX-9 takes me 1-2 mins tops. And even after all that time on the RDX the seats still aren't as tight as the CX-9. This is most noticeable on the rear facing seat.

My Subaru Forester is somewhere between the CX-9 and the RDX.

Thanks.
 
Thanks for the info. I can say that when I was stuck back there I felt pretty safe. (boom06)

But seriously, that makes me reconsider my options. I always assumed LATCH was safer. My oldest is 40lbs. She bugs me to put her seat in the "trunk" (3rd row). I've only put her there once or twice. We have high back boosters but I'll put the seat with the harness back there (Graco Nautilus 3 in 1....got it because it was Consumer Reports top rated seat)....my daughter thanks you.

I too have the Nautulis, a pair of them actually. It's the best affordable seat I've ever worked with. I had some difficulty initially getting the seats tightened down properly, but eventually got them tight. I was having an issue where the inboard side was very tight, but the ourboard side was still allowing movement. There is also the issue of the top tether. Our cars don't give is an anchor for it on the 3rd row. I simply snugged them up to the cargo hook in the rear, if nothing else to keep the tether from flying around and hurting anyone in a crash.
Plus now I'll be able to use all 3 rows with the one seat in the rear. Plus it stops me from making myself trapped. (I still think it is hilarious)

Now my youngest, who just turned 1 is still rear facing, so she stays on the LATCH in the second row. I've been told that rear facing with seat belt is a huge pain.

On most cars it's not much more difficult than a LATCH system.
I know the new recommendations are for children to remain rear facing until 2 years old, but even as cautious as I am with safety, I don't think we will make it until 2. Already her feet are pressed against the seat back and by 2 her knees might be to her face rear facing.

As always, it's up to the parent. I can say that when I went to the class for the certification (a 40 hour course) I had already turned my 15 month old to forward facing. After what I saw in the class I came home and turned him back to rear facing. All my kids are in the 95th percentile for height, and managed just fine by simply crossing their legs. Our instructors made it a pretty simple decision asking if we'd rather risk a kid having uncomfortable legs for a few minutes at a time or spinal injuries for the rest of their life.
One thing I really like, make that, love about the CX-9 is that the car seats go in so easy. I put them in, kneel on the seat bottom pull tight and I'm done. My wife's Acura RDX is a huge pain. It takes a long time of shifting and tugging and yanking to get the seats secure. It can easily take me 10-15 mins on the RDX whereas the CX-9 takes me 1-2 mins tops. And even after all that time on the RDX the seats still aren't as tight as the CX-9. This is most noticeable on the rear facing seat.

My Subaru Forester is somewhere between the CX-9 and the RDX.

Thanks.

Yea, for the most part they go in very easy in the 2nd row. I just wish Mazda would put some more thought into everything from the perspective of parents. Adding a few more LATCH and top tether points, along with a better designed center seat belt (anchored to the seat not the roof) would make life much easier. It would also make a huge difference if they made the seat belt latches rigid like they are in the front seat. As it is, they flop around requiring 2 hands to plug in the seat belt. When using his booster seat my son would be able to belt himself in if the latch didn't flop around.

Also remember to not use those suction cup blinds that stick to the window, they fly off in even a minor crash and hit the kids in their heads. Peel and stick window sunscreen works better and can't hurt them.
 
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I too have the Nautulis, a pair of them actually. It's the best affordable seat I've ever worked with. I had some difficulty initially getting the seats tightened down properly, but eventually got them tight. I was having an issue where the inboard side was very tight, but the ourboard side was still allowing movement. There is also the issue of the top tether. Our cars don't give is an anchor for it on the 3rd row. I simply snugged them up to the cargo hook in the rear, if nothing else to keep the tether from flying around and hurting anyone in a crash.

On most cars it's not much more difficult than a LATCH system.

As always, it's up to the parent. I can say that when I went to the class for the certification (a 40 hour course) I had already turned my 15 month old to forward facing. After what I saw in the class I came home and turned him back to rear facing. All my kids are in the 95th percentile for height, and managed just fine by simply crossing their legs. Our instructors made it a pretty simple decision asking if we'd rather risk a kid having uncomfortable legs for a few minutes at a time or spinal injuries for the rest of their life.

Yea, for the most part they go in very easy in the 2nd row. I just wish Mazda would put some more thought into everything from the perspective of parents. Adding a few more LATCH and top tether points, along with a better designed center seat belt (anchored to the seat not the roof) would make life much easier. It would also make a huge difference if they made the seat belt latches rigid like they are in the front seat. As it is, they flop around requiring 2 hands to plug in the seat belt. When using his booster seat my son would be able to belt himself in if the latch didn't flop around.

Also remember to not use those suction cup blinds that stick to the window, they fly off in even a minor crash and hit the kids in their heads. Peel and stick window sunscreen works better and can't hurt them.

Yea. I try to make sure that there are no possible projectiles in the car. My oldest has started to bring an iPad with her and it worries me a bit when she wants to use it in the car. You've reminded me not to give in. My daughters are also quite tall (4 year old and 1 year old). 99 percentile in height, which is weird since I am 5'9" (wife is 5'8")

Back when I was a senior in high school and on into college I worked in a body shop. Monthly, we'd go to salvage auctions and buy cars to fix and sell. I could go down the row of cars at the auction and tell you on each one, who was wearing a seat belt and who wasn't. (This was 89-94 so air bags had just begun to show up on most cars) This left such an impression on me that in high school, I'd insist that everyone was wearing a seat belt in my car. I'd take a lot of grief from my friends (WARNING.....NOT FOR THE SQEAMISH) but images of pieces of scalp imbedded into a windshield or what someones chest would do to a steering wheel really never left me.

Thanks
 
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... most crashes are frontal collisions.

"The 2 reasons being that LATCH is safer than seat belts"

That's a common misconception.


Of course, the middle of the 2nd row is the absolute safest place. Ironically, Mazda didnt install lower LATCH anchors in that position (boom06)

You have not lived in Kentucky.
The majority of cars that I look at are rear end damage (because most of the cars that did the rear-ending did not file a claim on their 1986 Blazer)
Seriously, living here in Kentucky, your odds of being rear ended are like 1 in 3, its completely absurd, the worst in the country. This is why I moved both my girls facing forward as soon as possible because I am a safe driver, and the odds of me or my wife being rear-ending (i.e. "hit in the ass end" as they say in kentucky) are much higher than us being in a front-end accident.

I consider Latch to be safer because 1) correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they welded to the seat frame? Seatbelts are held on by bolts. 2) I have never been able to get seatbelts to hold down a carseat nearly as tight as the latch system. With seatbelts, the carseats always have a little wiggle.
 
most crashes are frontal collisions
I have been hit from behind twice in my life time.
For me at least, it is not rare at all. In both cases, my vehicle was stationary waiting for light to change.
 
You have not lived in Kentucky.
The majority of cars that I look at are rear end damage (because most of the cars that did the rear-ending did not file a claim on their 1986 Blazer)
Seriously, living here in Kentucky, your odds of being rear ended are like 1 in 3, its completely absurd, the worst in the country.

There is a reason both the IIHS and NHTSA test cars in frontal and offset frontal crashes, but don't test for rear impact. Statistics don't lie. According to NHTSA rear end crashes only result in about 5 percent of all crash fatalities. Put simply, 95% of all people who are killed in violent crashes do so in frontal or side impacts. You certainly may be seeing a lot of rear end damage, but they aren't the crashes that are severe enough to be killing people

Statistics. According to Crashtest.Com, frontal and frontal offset crashes combine for about 72% of severe crashes. Side impacts are about 24%. Rear and rear offset crashes only account for about 4%. The NHTSA FARS database shows similar numbers. The odds of being in a frontal crash with a fatality or very serious injury are many times greater than being in a severe rear-end crash. Rear-enders are more common at lower speeds, though most injuries in these crashes are not as severe - typically, whiplash injuries to adults, especially passengers lacking proper head restraint.
http://www.car-safety.org/rearface.html

This is why I moved both my girls facing forward as soon as possible because I am a safe driver, and the odds of me or my wife being rear-ending (i.e. "hit in the ass end" as they say in kentucky) are much higher than us being in a front-end accident.

As the parent, it is clearly your choice to turn them forward facing, but you can't change statistics. Less than 5% of those rear end crashes are severe enough to cause fatal injuries. The whole reason kids are to remain rear facing is to reduce the risk in serious crashes.
car-safety.org said:
Rear-facing is safest for both adults and children, but especially for babies, who would face a greater risk of spinal cord injury in a front-facing carseat during a frontal crash.


Rear-facing car seats spread frontal crash forces over the whole area of a child's back, head and neck; they also prevent the head from snapping relative to the body in a frontal crash.


Rear-facing carseats may not be quite as effective in a rear end crash, but severe frontal and frontal offset crashes are far more frequent and far more severe than severe rear end crashes.


Rear-facing carseats are NOT a safety risk just because a child's legs are bent at the knees or because they can touch/kick the vehicle seat.


Rear-facing as long as possible is the recommendation of the American Academy of Pediatricians, and can reduce injuries and deaths. Motor vehicle crashes are the #1 overall cause of death for children 14 and under.
Monday, March 21, 2011
Under the new guidelines, issued today, NHTSA is advising parents and caregivers to keep children in each restraint type, including rear-facing, forward-facing and booster seats, for as long as possible before moving them up to the next type of seat.

For instance, the safety agency recommends using the restraints in the rear-facing position as long as children fit within the height and weight limits of the car seat as established by the manufacturer. The rear-facing position reduces stresses to the neck and spinal cord and is particularly important for growing babies.

NHTSA said that its new guidelines are consistent with the latest advice from the American Academy of Pediatrics, which advises parents to keep kids in rear-facing restraints until two years of age or until they reach the highest weight or height allowed by their car safety seat's manufacturer. There is no need to hurry to transition a child to the next restraint type.


I consider Latch to be safer because 1) correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they welded to the seat frame? Seatbelts are held on by bolts.

The LATCH system is far less capable than the vehicle's seat belt system. There is a reason LATCH anchors are limited to around 40lbs. The vehicle's seat belts are designed to withstand the forces of full grown adults in a crash. The LATCH anchors simply are not.
2) I have never been able to get seatbelts to hold down a carseat nearly as tight as the latch system. With seatbelts, the carseats always have a little wiggle.

Parents certainly find the LATCH system easier to use, and that was the whole reason it was created, but there are still millions of car seats istalled without the use of LATCH. My 2000 F150 has no LATCH points, nor does my 1993 Mustang, which doesn't even have locking retractors (locking clip like this is required http://www.carseatsite.com/lc_step_3.jpg ). I can assure you that the seats in both of those cars are very tightly secured. If a parent is having difficulty they should seek out a CPS certified techician like myself and we'll make sure the seat is installed in the safest possible manner, and won't charge a dime.

And for my own bit of anecdotal evidence. In 10 years of being a patrolman, every single fatal crash I've been to involved an offset frontal crash on average 2 lane roads. I have yet to work a fatal rear end crash, but they do happen, and it's usually a police cruiser that gets hit >|
 
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If I lived out in the country, it would be a different story. Out in the boonies, you see a lot of left of center accidents, rollovers, and just plain bizarre stuff that you ask how in the world did that happen?, but where I live, in a large metropolitan area, rear-enders are most common, with intersection crashes behind it because everyone where I live runs red lights for about 5 seconds after it turns red. Folks always balk when they hear me say this, but it is true: a majority of accidents can be avoided, even by the people who are not at fault. For instance, I went skiing a couple days ago, had a long drive home on the interstate. This guy passes me in a gray Chevy Avalanche with no light on, and it is almost completely dark. I turn my headlights completely off, and then back on, several times. He doesn't get the message. The person in front of me does the same to him, and the guy never turns his headlights on. This is the kind of driver that could have a freight train headed right for him, and he would never see it coming. i.e. he could have a tractor trailer barreling down on him at a red light from behind, and he would never know it until he was creamed from behind. You have to be pro-active as a driver. I was rear-ended about 10 years ago. As a licensed pilot, I am used to performing scans: left, straight, right, instruments, mirrors, etc, constantly using my peripheral vision. So when I saw this lady barreling down on me from behind, I pushed the clutch in, let off the brakes (as no one was coming from the right or left) and she nailed me from behind pushed me into the intersection, hardly any damage to my old Jetta, and the entire front end of her Kia Sportage was demolished.

Had I not been scanning my surroundings, and had my foot planted on the brake, my car would have been totaled from behind.

Similarly, at intersections, I never go through an intersection without clearing it visually first.

However, a majority of drivers will never do this, never use peripheral vision, and have no idea about their surroundings.

NHTSA stats in my opinion, apply more to "average" drivers.

I can't tell you the number of recorded loss statements I took back in the day as a generalist insurance adjuster, where I would determine fault, look at cars, and other stuff.
So many of these statements I would ask, "did you see the other vehicle before the impact?" and almost every time the person would say "no."
This is very, very alarming to me and just does not make sense. Fact of the matter is, most people driving around are completely unaware of their surroundings.

So regarding my thoughts on carseats, If someone is gonna slam into me, its most likely going to happen from the rear, based on where I live, and based on my habits.

P.S. I have a large road near my place with 5 lanes on each side, and person after person after person will try to make a left hand turn across all 10 lanes to try to turn into the farthest lanes, and they will try to rely on people waving them through (a.k.a. wave of death) or they just don't care. They are so lazy that they can't drive 100 feet up the road so that they can turn at a controlled intersection (traffic light). This is your common driver here. There are so many accidents here with that exact scenario. I would never think about doing this, not only do I park at the back of the parking lot, but I take the time to drive 100 feet up the road so I can turn left at a controlled intersection instead of turning across 10 lanes. Similarly, most of the time, you can see the fool trying to make it across and stop in time, but alot of these drivers, again, they are not aware of their surroundings, and they never see the car turing left, and whammo.
 
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