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Brian MP5T said:
The Flow and Expanding Gasses are not both spooling...

Here it is easy...

The Expanding Gases Create The Flow.

So Long Manifold... Like a Pipe Running to the rear of the car... The gasses will expand and then contract as the pipe cools the mixture and some energy is lost.

Seriously, I can't believe you are calling me out on this..

Dude, Im not "Calling you out" Im having fun with words, and as you said "The Expanding Gases Create The Flow" Duhhh, No they dont HHAHAHAHAHA lol Im also thinking that the pistons forcing the exhaust out of the chambers has noooooooo effect or impact on the "flow" of the exhaust gasses, Hmmmm what is an engine anyways? A Pump, But noooooooo lolol
 
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Ohh and the "heat" DOES NOT CREATE volocity OKAY, it creates VOLUME!!!!!

(ughdance)

The turbine housing is what actually creates the volocity that spools the turbo, by a scrolling down design to reduce the volume of the exhaust chamber as it scrolls arround, by doing that the exhaust gasses are forced to increase volocity to keep at the same flow rate (Think of when you put your finger on the garden hose to make it spray faster) There is the same amount of watter leaving, but it has to increas volocity quite a bit to keep the same volume comming out. You controle the volocity, by reducing the area the water (or in the engines case, the exhaust gasses) have to escape... Keeping in mind the engine is a Pump, and if there is no initial flow rate (How much volume does nothing have?) there is no means of spooling the turbo at all, Any amount of "Exhaust Flow" has some volume, reguardless if the volume is greater when hot.

So, yes its true that hotter gasses have more volume, & the volume at the exhaust tip is lower then the volume at the exhaust manifold, however designs in the scrolling rate of the turbines is done to componsate for the temp diff that impacts the volume. (Kinda like a bigger thumb on the hose, ;) )

Now back to the issue at hand, this may even be a contributing factor on the issue. If you were to use a turbo built to be used in the engine bay close to the throttle placed in the rear mount turbo kit, it would be MUCH less efficient being further away because the turbine is not getting the reqired pressure, volume & heat (or lets just say "Exhaust flow" or "flow" for short, hardy har har) to match the turbine housings designed requirements. HOWEVER with a turbo designed to be placed in the rear, things might be different.
 
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Rac3rX said:
Dude, Im not "Calling you out" Im having fun with words, and as you said "The Expanding Gases Create The Flow" Duhhh, No they dont HHAHAHAHAHA lol Im also thinking that the pistons forcing the exhaust out of the chambers has noooooooo effect or impact on the "flow" of the exhaust gasses, Hmmmm what is an engine anyways? A Pump, But noooooooo lolol

Yer quickly becoming a tool and digging yourself a larger hole.

I seriously feel that you should read technical literature on the fundamentals of Turbo Physics..

Expanding Hot Gas Spools
 
Rac3rX said:
Ohh and the "heat" DOES NOT CREATE volocity OKAY, it creates VOLUME!!!!!

(ughdance)

The turbine housing is what actually creates the volocity that spools the turbo, by a scrolling down design to reduce the volume of the exhaust chamber as it scrolls arround, by doing that the exhaust gasses are forced to increase volocity to keep at the same flow rate (Think of when you put your finger on the garden hose to make it spray faster) There is the same amount of watter leaving, but it has to increas volocity quite a bit to keep the same volume comming out. You controle the volocity, by reducing the area the water (or in the engines case, the exhaust gasses) have to escape... Keeping in mind the engine is a Pump, and if there is no initial flow rate (How much volume does nothing have?) there is no means of spooling the turbo at all, Any amount of "Exhaust Flow" has some volume, reguardless if the volume is greater when hot.

So, yes its true that hotter gasses have more volume, & the volume at the exhaust tip is lower then the volume at the exhaust manifold, however designs in the scrolling rate of the turbines is done to componsate for the temp diff that impacts the volume. (Kinda like a bigger thumb on the hose, ;) )

So are you asking me or telling me?

If your asking me, then you are wrong...

It's never been the flow that spools or gets forced into the housing. It's the ******* EXPANDING GAS OK!

******* EXPANDING GAS ******* EXPANDING GAS ******* EXPANDING GAS ******* EXPANDING GAS ******* EXPANDING GAS ******* EXPANDING GAS

Say it with me...
 
Brian MP5T said:
Yer quickly becoming a tool and digging yourself a larger hole.

I seriously feel that you should read technical literature on the fundamentals of Turbo Physics..

Expanding Hot Gas Spools

So are you asking me or telling me?

If your asking me, then you are wrong...

It's never been the flow that spools or gets forced into the housing. It's the ******* EXPANDING GAS OK!

Say it with me...

******* EXPANDING GAS ******* EXPANDING GAS ******* EXPANDING GAS ******* EXPANDING GAS ******* EXPANDING GAS ******* EXPANDING GAS

MP5T, you just got SCHOOLED, take it like a man.

The turbine scrolling down in exhaust chamber size AS it scrolls forcing the exhaust gasses passing through it to pass through a smaller exit is what creates an increase in VOLOCITY, its the VOLOCITY of the gasses that spools the turbo. Some people would call the volocity "Flow" but you wont accept "Flow" as that term (Or we might not be here) So Ill continue using "Volocity" as you cant debate that....

Where the Heat comes into play is it impacts the VOLUME of the gasses being passed through the turbine, HOWEVER ALL exhaust gases have Volume, when building a turbo kit and selecting a turbo, selecting a turbo with a scroll down rate matched to the volume you will be having at the turbo is of great importance...

You keep saying "Expanding Hot Gas Spools" it seams you have alot of knowledge, but no real UNDERSTANDING OF IT. Its one thing to constanly repeat what you read, its another to explain it in your own words with understanding.

You see its not as "Cut & Past" as "The Expanding Hot Gas Spools". Cold watter can spool (Hell it spools turbines in power plants doesnt it?) However if you say that "Expanding Hot Gas ALONE Spools, your VERY wrong, and by acting childish and repeating that as often as you did, your not DEMONSTRATING a full understanding of what you read out of your Turbo Hand book.

Its like saying "Water spools" But no it doesnt "Spool" unless you force it (Pessurized by something like, hmmmm a DAM) Through chambers making it pass the turbines ect, basically saying water Alone doesnt Spool, but water put into the right circumstance can be used as a means to "Spool".

Or in our case, the expanding hot gasses being forced through a reduced area (By the turbines & there scroll down rate) creates an increase in volocity, and the volocity of the exhaust gasses spools the turbo...

TO put it simple THe "Flow" OR "Volocity" of the Expanding Exhaust Gasses Spools the Turbo!!!!!

When you say "expanding hot gasses spools" what your saying DOENT actually contradict what Im saying, its just incomplete, like saying "water spools". However your comment "It's never been the flow that spools or gets forced into the housing. It's the ******* EXPANDING GAS OK!" Is completly wrong and demonstraights your lack of understanding.

You see, the "Flow" IS the VOLOCITY of the expanding hot gasses, and its the VOLOCITY of those gasses BEING FORCED THROUGH THE TURBO HOUSING (& Turbine that uses a REDUCED SCROLL RATE to increase the VOLOCITY of the exhaust gasses) that Spools the turbo. OKAY!!!!

Say it with me...

MP5T Just got Schooled by Rac3rX

Alright class is over, for now. (ughdance)
 
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...so is this where the group orgy is at? .....or the wrong room?....*walks out slowly*
 
If i will see a flamewar/bashing on one each other here, it will be the end of this thread.

Brian MP5T is on the correct note. Rac3rX deal with it.

P.S.
Rac3rX: your signature is STILL a bit too big. You didnt reply to my pm from yesterday. Look for sig rules link in my sig. You have a bit less than 24 more hours to fix your sig, or you will lose your sig rights.
 
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Rac3rX said:
MP5T, you just got SCHOOLED, take it like a man.

The turbine scrolling down in exhaust chamber size AS it scrolls forcing the exhaust gasses passing through it to pass through a smaller exit is what creates an increase in VOLOCITY, its the VOLOCITY...

It's Spelled Velocity.


 
Ahahahahaha, ohhhh I spelled velocity wrong, AHAHAHAHAA

MP5T still Got Schoooooooled on Turbo, deal with that!

Ohh and saying "Expanding exhaust gasses spools" is not on the right note. And saying the velocity or "Flow" of the gasses is not whats spooling the turbo (First off if thats not it what is care to explain) is COMPLETLY wrong!

I had to explain how its actually the velocity that spools the turbo, the velocity of the expanding exhaust gasses (AHAHAHAHAHA) Re-read my last post if you still dont understand, just keep re-reading it untill you do. I thought the garden hose analogy would simplify it enough for any dim wit to understand with one read, I geuss I was wrong about that.

Class dismissed!
 
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Boston5761 said:
Why do you always chime in on threads to start s***? Aren't you like 30?! ACT LIKE IT!

Well you see, I havnt been on the board for a little over a month, and when I logged on I got a Nice message in my inbox from MP5T that directed me to his reply to a post I made in this thread way back when, where he talks a bunch of s***, & displays a lack of understanding, Soooo I schooled him...

Ohh and As far as me chiming in on threads to start s***, why not you read the whole thread before you chime in with a stupid comment like that, as I was one of the first to give the guy props for going in a new direction & am not the s*** starter of this thread, had you read the whole thing, MAYBE you would of fiigured that out, then again, maybe your slow and it still doesnt dawn on you.
 
Aight enough of this s***.
Rac3rX watch your foul mouth. Not only you're spitting at Brian but you just jumped the gun against Boston5761. This is not the 1st time you've done this either.
End Of Conversation!
 
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