Fresh off the press.... MS P5!?

[Pro5OnSpeed]

BIKE RACKS???? ARE YOU NUTS?

 

[APEXistud]

Mazda is not Audi, and Audi is really a different target audience. Mazda is really trying to become about affordable performance. I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong since I do not have any data to back me up, but I believe the point still stands that the s4 would be more performance oriented than the rs4. That is to say, drivers being equal, the s4 driver would have a decided advantage over the rs4 driver in weight penalty and handling capability.

Umm, the S4 has 250hp and the RS4 has 380hp and it does this with the same engine. I think it's safe to say the that RS4 would whomp an pretty much any S4 with almost any driver.

 

[sundevilMP5]

my point wasn't really about the target audience...it was that other companies have come out with a performance sedan then a wagon with better performance based on the same platform...so it is possible that mazda could do the same thing...and yeah...the rs4 kicks the s4 all over the place in handling, power, acceleration, braking, etc...

 

[RODSCALIP5]

Damn it there will be a Mazdaspeed P5 , Just give me a chance to find the first wrecked Mazdaspeed Protege, and watch me strip it apart and put it on my P5

 

[Equinox]

Damn it there will be a Mazdaspeed P5 , Just give me a chance to find the first wrecked Mazdaspeed Protege, and watch me strip it apart and put it on my P5

Lol rod stop being a liar, you know you'll just buy a turbo kit from spoolin, you got enough crap on your car to show you can waste money =P

 

[RODSCALIP5]

thats what you use your military SRB for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DevlynSyde]

The problem is that the RS4 only comes in a wagon, and not the sedan form, which negates the argument that they make the performance version of both... since they only make it for the wagon.

The RS4 is a much upgraded version of the S4 Avant which is the wagon. The RS4 isn't the wagon version of the S4 since the S4 comes in a sedan and wagon. The point should be that Audi makes both a sedan and wagon form of their cars... which happen to be extremely performance oriented.

 

[DevlynSyde]

Another spike into the thread, was just reading the latest batch of car magazines my girlfriend brought home from what people left on airplanes... so at the moment I don't remember which one it is, so if anyone cares I'll double check - - -

Club Sport Miata in next years batch as a "racing edition" Miata. Perhaps they don't plan to do a MS Miata anytime soon? It will include upgraded suspension etc, but what it will NOT include is an air conditioner, heater, radio, wind breaker, or anything else you might enjoy. Base price for the Club Sport will be about the same price for a base Miata.

I guess Mazda wants to reach out and touch those of us who enjoy autocross.

 

[70]

The problem is that the RS4 only comes in a wagon, and not the sedan form, which negates the argument that they make the performance version of both... since they only make it for the wagon.

The RS4 is a much upgraded version of the S4 Avant which is the wagon. The RS4 isn't the wagon version of the S4 since the S4 comes in a sedan and wagon. The point should be that Audi makes both a sedan and wagon form of their cars... which happen to be extremely performance oriented.

The RS4 is a wagon becuase they needed the extra rigidity of the wagon chassis to handle the power difference.

And there will not be a Mazdspeed Protege 5...

 

[Kooldino]

Re: Re: Fresh off the press.... MS P5!?

I find it very hard to believe that Mazda will produce a Mazdaspeed Protege5, if for no other reason than that no one will pay more money for a Mazdaspeed Protege5 than a Mazdaspeed Protege- the sedan will handle better and go faster if for no other reason than it weighs less and is a more rigid platform than the wagon. The current price model at Mazda puts a premium on the wagon over the sedan. Why pay more for a performance vehicle that would be inferior to a performance vehicle of the same brand? As much as I would like to see a Mazdaspeed Protege5, I just can't see that happening.

Mazda has said there will be a Mazdaspeed 6, but I wouldn't hold my breath on a Mazdaspeed 6 wagon variant, much more likely to be the sedan or hatchback.

There will be a 2003.5 mid-year model change and the colors have been discussed here already. I've also heard that the front fascia will be changed on the mid-year release as well. To those that are grousing about "too many" Mazdaspeeds, I believe they will always be a relatively limited number as it allows for less strict emissions regulations on limited release vehicles.

A lot of people buy the WRX wagon....as opposed to the sedan.

 

[Kooldino]

I'd rather they released an MS P5 instead of another MSP in the spring.

 

[Equinox]

I'd rather they released an MS P5 instead of another MSP in the spring.

heh I agree with you guys on the rigidity of the wagon chassis over a sedan - but I didn't think anyone else would agree until some MP3 guys said the same, then I realized you have one =P

 

[YellowMP5]

i talked to a mazda representative at the miami auto show on saturday and he said they are indeed releasing an MSP5 but they have no ETA, or he didn't want to say.

 

[fuse]

i talked to a mazda representative at the miami auto show on saturday and he said they are indeed releasing an MSP5 but they have no ETA, or he didn't want to say.

Its all he said, she said, but I wouldn't hold your breath on a Mazdaspeed Protege5.

I bit earlier on the S4 sedan vs. RS4 (not sure what I was thinking) Audi part of this thread- the comparison should have rightly been S4 vs S4 Avant. However earlier posters indicating that a wagon is stiffer than a sedan need to rethink that assertion. I'm not saying it is not possible, but the 3 box sedan design is more rigid than a 2 box wagon design. You can do things like rear tower strut braces, etc to improve rigidity, but there is generally more flex in a wagon than in a sedan.

Not every iteration of every Mazda model will get a Mazdaspeed version. Could Mazda do a Mazdaspeed Protege5? Sure. Will Mazda? I won't believe a word until I see a press release from Mazda. I trust my source.

 

[70]

Its all he said, she said, but I wouldn't hold your breath on a Mazdaspeed Protege5.

I bit earlier on the S4 sedan vs. RS4 (not sure what I was thinking) Audi part of this thread- the comparison should have rightly been S4 vs S4 Avant. However earlier posters indicating that a wagon is stiffer than a sedan need to rethink that assertion. I'm not saying it is not possible, but the 3 box sedan design is more rigid than a 2 box wagon design. You can do things like rear tower strut braces, etc to improve rigidity, but there is generally more flex in a wagon than in a sedan.

Not every iteration of every Mazda model will get a Mazdaspeed version. Could Mazda do a Mazdaspeed Protege5? Sure. Will Mazda? I won't believe a word until I see a press release from Mazda. I trust my source.

I was just stating what I had read while working at an Audi dealership back in the parts department about the RS4...The Avant tends to be stiffer than the Sedan becuase of the added box over the trunk. Those are quattro's words as to why they made the RS4 in a wagon.

Those who don't know, in Germany, quattro is considered an actual car company, they tune or rather make Audis better. All the "RS" models are made by quattro.

I realize however that most wagons tend to be less rigid because of the lack of steel over the rear shock towers.

 

[njaremka]

just found this on carandmodel.com:

 

[Newf]

That's weird. Where did they get that front bumper too. It's alot like the 2003.5's

 

[Equinox]

wrong, that ain't a mazdaspeed p5, I have the exact same windshield banner, does that make me a mazdaspeed p5? mebbe... It's just a privately owned p5

Notice the mp3 headlights btw.

 

[Newf]

I don't thing anyone said it was the mazdaspeed p5. But, you can't deny that the bumper looks alot like the 2003.5 gray Mazdaspeed pics shown here. Notice the two things on the bottom of the front chin spoiler. It's not exact, but close.

 

[Equinox]

heh I think I had a bunch of windows up and read one post and posted to another one. My bad guys