Forums and the young

[wolverine_man]

Sorta right. It actually depends upon if your state is a no-fault jurisidiction like in Michigan in which case a mini-tort action is brought for any serious bodily injury or death. And of course, you have policy limits on your auto insurance coverage personal injury.

 

[Loose]

Kinda close to home for me here in Jacksonville....


One of the backseat passengers was a freshman here at Jacksonville University and played football.

article: http://www.news4jax.com/news/15146478/detail.html

 

[happy and angry]

The parents who were the decision makers on if he got the car or not are responsible for his actions just as much as he is. They had the same choice....yes or no....they chose yes.

Correlation is not causation. The parents chose to let their son drive their car, which put him behind the wheel when the accident happened, but this doesn't mean their parents caused it to happen. Say it with me: correlation is not causation.

Take the EXACT SAME STORY and change the car from an M5 to a Toyota Corolla, and tell me if you still blame the parents. The vehicle is irrelevant as far as blame for who caused the accident goes. Kids go out in slow cars and do stupid things at high speeds ALL THE TIME. If this kid's parents didn't have money, he might have done this in a Cavalier instead.

 

[lasermp5]

Been out to that community several times. I must say it's eerie to think about... 4 of my peers having their lives cut short so suddenly in such a tragic fashion. That said, I'm 20, almost 21. Even though I've had no "incidents" over the past view years, ie tickets, accidents, etc... I've really just come to the realization on my own that a lot of the stuff I used to do when I was +/- 18 was stupid. Anything over 85-90mph on the highway is useless and stupid. Taking that fun corner at 40 in the P5 just isn't fun anymore... it's stupid.

When I was 16, I was close to having a race built 95 e36 M3 as my first car (this). That car would have been a dream come true, and I still fantasize about it till this day. I was close to having it, and looking back I thank god I never got it.

Guess the point I'm making is that I said I was a "responsible" driver at 17, but looking back I know that having that BMW would not have been good. I said I was a responsible driver at 18, yet I still goofed around. I've been fortunate enough to develop insight over the past few years not as a result of my own accident, but just growing up I suppose. Just from my own experience, the learning curve from 6/17 to early/mid 20s is steep.

Thus: hold off on the fast cars. Get out and autox instead. No matter how responsible you think you are, the temptation is just too great. My son (like me) will receive a fun, dependable, but ultimately slow fwd car. If I own anything like that M5, he will not be driving it without me in the car.

idk where else I'm going with this... it's just so sad. Hits close to home.

Everyone, please drive safe. If you have kids, don't put them behind the wheel of anything like that. If you are a kid (s***, I am) do your best to hurry up and realize it's not worth it... I know it sucks, life is short, and you want to have fun, but just think about the consequences. Don't let this happen to you or your friends. This post sounds preachy and everything, but idk how else to put it. Be safe, please!

 

[lc_MS3]

This is just another shining example of irresponsable parents. End of story.

We had this wonderful discussion just the other day. Kids saying they were responsible enough to drive and that the parents were not to blame.

Please note, this kid said the EXACT same things on the 25th and less than 12 hours later he was Dead. Kids + Fast Cars do not mix. Parents that buy their kids a fast car are ignorant and irresponsable and should blame nobody but themselves when their kid makes the news killing themselves or others.

In the case of the M5 and the case of the MS3 the other day, the stupidity started with the PARENTS and ended with the Kids. I guess the apple truely does not fall far from the tree.

I just hope those kids on this forum and others that own a MS3 or faster car learn something. I will not hold my breath......

Not to start this same fight back up, but if you read the artical, the parents didn't buy him the car. It was the parents car they let the kid use.

I will not hold my breath......
Why say something like this?

Was I a good kid and stayed out of trouble? Yep, no trouble with the law, no accidents and no drug/alcohol issues. However, I did more than my share of drugs, had more run-ins with the law than I care to think about and I did things in my Mom's F150 at 16 that would make your head spin. I WAS LUCKY.

Once again not to start anything, but the bolded text is contradictory. Not to mention you admitted to drug use in the last round of this ongoing e-fight.



As in the last case of this, be a human and give your prayers to the family (even if you think the parents are responsible, think of grandparents)

 

[Bravnik]

... like step on the gas pedal?This is sort of a dumb comparison. A car isn't a gun. It's not a weapon, and it's not designed to kill. Extend your analogy further - make an equivalent gun argument for "Dad can I borrow the M5" versus "Dad can I borrow the Corolla." Gonna call the Corolla an Airsoft pistol or something?I'm looking forward to a society that extends responsibility for murder to the mother that "contributed to" the actions of their children by giving birth to them.

The parents aren't responsible or to blame for the actions of their adult child.

Its not the car or the gun per say that I'm comparing but the responsibility of the parents to say no in a situation where appropriate.

The parents are responsible for making the decision to give the keys to their 18 year old son who killed himself with it. If they said no, he and his 4 friends would be alive. There is no way to argue that fact.

 

[lc_MS3]

Its not the car or the gun per say that I'm comparing but the responsibility of the parents to say no in a situation where appropriate.

The parents are responsible for making the decision to give the keys to their 18 year old son who killed himself with it. If they said no, he and his 4 friends would be alive. There is no way to argue that fact.

Once again, how did the parents know their kid was going to do that? It is easy to say k=now that the accident has happened, but for all we know he was a model child (I know its hard for most to believe, but some of us are good). My dad has let me take his Vette for a drive, but I have respect for the car, and him. I know if I ****** it up (or myself) I would be in deep sh*t. For that fact I would never do that. So not wanting to start this fight again, but the kid being 18 should be the one (if we were going to) blamed here. If he is old enough to help decide how the country is run, he is old enough to be able to make an educated move.

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

it has nothing to do w/ them knowing he would do that....its the fact that they gave him the opportunity.

Once again, how did the parents know their kid was going to do that? It is easy to say k=now that the accident has happened, but for all we know he was a model child (I know its hard for most to believe, but some of us are good). My dad has let me take his Vette for a drive, but I have respect for the car, and him. I know if I ****** it up (or myself) I would be in deep sh*t. For that fact I would never do that. So not wanting to start this fight again, but the kid being 18 should be the one (if we were going to) blamed here. If he is old enough to help decide how the country is run, he is old enough to be able to make an educated move.

 

[Bravnik]

Not to start this same fight back up, but if you read the artical, the parents didn't buy him the car. It was the parents car they let the kid use.

I will not hold my breath......
Why say something like this?



Once again not to start anything, but the bolded text is contradictory. Not to mention you admitted to drug use in the last round of this ongoing e-fight.



As in the last case of this, be a human and give your prayers to the family (even if you think the parents are responsible, think of grandparents)

It is contradictory to what my parents thought about me. It is also contradictory to how my life looks on paper and the reality of how I was.

Giving keys...buying the car. Its all the same. The decision was one of many that day that = Death.

 

[lc_MS3]

It is contradictory to what my parents thought about me. It is also contradictory to how my life looks on paper and the reality of how I was.

Giving keys...buying the car. Its all the same. The decision was one of many that day that = Death.

My bad on the contradiction, the way I read it I must have missed. Three question, what did your father have when you grew up? Did you ever want to drive it? Did he let you?

 

[Kobyoshi]

I served in the military with MANY 18 year old adults. They are responsible for carrying assault weapons and long range sniper rifles and are very capable of taking someones life and the USA gives them the right to do this. Maybe this is why I feel so opinionated about this story. I would trust many of them 18 year old ADULTS more so than some of the 25 year old SGT's I worked with. I have TopSecret clearence and when my paper work was going through the decision to get it had nothing to do with age. This 18 Year old is a ADULT and has the ability to make decisions on his own. If he murdered someone he would be tried as an adult and should be.


THE 18 YEAR old was a ADULT!!!!

You are right.

BUT you were trained by your employer the responsibility with your TOP SECRET clearance and the consequences of not following rules.
Just as the military boys that carry a Barret .50 cal know EXACTLY what it can do and the results of pulling the trigger.

Too many parents don't grace their children with the same respect or knowledge of the killing power of an automobile...

an uninformed kid just killed himself and others...

It is a parents responsibility to teach their children. No one else.

 

[Bravnik]

Question:

1. Ford Thunderbird LTD (Mom) 65 Ford Failane K series with 298HI Full Race (Dad)
2. Yep
3. All the time.

Drove the LTD all the time till Mom got her F150. Never got to take the LTD out at night. But oh what I did in the F150 .

Now the 65 Ford Fairlane - Only drove it with my Dad in the car. That car was scary fast. He had enough sense to not let me take it out alone.

 

[wolverine_man]

Bravnik why does your avatar make me wanna puke? I demand you put up some chick in a thong or something.

 

[Bravnik]

Bravnik why does your avatar make me wanna puke? I demand you put up some chick in a thong or something.

In some sick way I think it's funny

I could put up a really fat chic in a Thong if you want?

 

[jaydubz]

I do have to say, there is some semblance of responsibility here. Afterall, at least he wasn't trying it on a public street.

I used to work at a BMW dealership, and those M5s are no joke at all. Even though they have 500hp with all the nannies turned off, people still underestimate them. They think yeah, its got the power, but its a heavy sedan. Not really all that much. We would take out the ones we had on lot all the time, well, not as much as the M3s, but we took them out quite a bit. I was only brave enough to kill all the stability things once, click the M button, run the full power. That thing will dead you real fast. You punch the gas, and it doesn't give you a chance to think if you really wanna do that. It just sits, s****, and gits.

We had one customer bring his in for some go fast work. Replaced the filters, ran new headers and exhaust, no cats, and did some ecu tuning to it. Bit of suspension bits, and new wheels. The owner took us out in it afterwards. It pulled clean and hard all damn near all the way to the century mark. He sent us a video not to long afterwards of him taking on, and taking out, a Gallardo from a roll.

Buddy of mine from my Vee Dub days used to work at the local BMW Dealership and also described a gentleman who had bought a M5 and decided it needed the full go fast package which included heads, manifolds, Dinan reflashed ECU and some exhaust work and he claimed the car became a rocket. I would fear that much power actually, 300 hp would be more than enough for me!

 

[happy and angry]

But oh what I did in the F150 .

Would you have held your parents responsible for the stupid stuff you did in a truck had it gone poorly for you? Or are the parents only to blame when they have the money to buy expensive cars for daily drivers?

 

[Bravnik]

Would you have held your parents responsible for the stupid stuff you did in a truck had it gone poorly for you? Or are the parents only to blame when they have the money to buy expensive cars for daily drivers?

I guess you missed the part about him having enough sense to not let me take the Fairlane out alone. By limiting my access to the F150 and then purchasing me a mint 71 Ford Ranger F150 as my first car (You see my family liked the classics) they helped keep me from killing myself. Did I abuse my Truck.....you bet. Could I do 140 and 13secs in it.....nope. Think god!

 

[wolverine_man]

In some sick way I think it's funny

I could put up a really fat chic in a Thong if you want?

That's alright, tell your gf to leave her clothes on. JK (naughty)

 

[lc_MS3]

I guess you missed the part about him having enough sense to not let me take the Fairlane out alone. By limiting my access to the F150 and then purchasing me a mint 71 Ford Ranger F150 as my first car (You see my family liked the classics) they helped keep me from killing myself. Did I abuse my Truck.....you bet. Could I do 140 and 13secs in it.....nope. Think god!

I believe he meant to say, would you have blamed your parents if you got in an accident while doing stupid s*** in the truck?

 

[Bravnik]

No because they tried and didn't let me drive the Fairlane. They said NO no matter how many times I asked....IE. Responsible Parenting.