Forged or Thumper?

[MP3Architect]

Keep in mind spool up and such. A smaller turbo will spool up faster, meaning you'll get power sooner. A larger turbo takes longer to spool up and will build up more hp higher. Would you rather have more power sooner that lasts longer in the powerband, or have much more power that lasts less in the powerband?

Also the SS kit has the super happy mushroom exhaust manifold, helping spool up the turbo much faster. (does the thumper have it too?)

the thumper kit does have a sexy manifold as well.
http://www.**************************.com/images/thumper/IMG_0163.JPG

 

[yesiownaskyline]

if you go thuimper first you WILL blow your motor...

boost is addicting, go forged first and be safe...

you can still push 300 or so with bolt ons from forged, then as you get $$ upgrade pc by pc to the thumper kit.

 

[warrier04]

think about what you already have now:
1) a turbo that works fine
2) rods/pistons that work okay when not pushed

i think you should go forged w/ tuning (mpi, unichip, afc), fmic and downpipe. does it necessarily need to be the fully built block? you could just get rods and pistons, and do some machining of the intake mani and other stuff like that.

what you buy now and upgrade later can be sold.

i think if you get the thumper kit w/out forging, you won't enjoy it because you can't push it. if you go forged but get the haltech, then you're spending a whole lot of money on the EM that you could spend on a lesser EM and get other stuff.

with forged, fmic, dp, and MPI/afc, you'll be really happy, and down the road, you can upgrade from that.

 

[Lord_Zath]

the thumper kit does have a sexy manifold as well.
http://www.**************************.com/images/thumper/IMG_0163.JPG

but that's not the super happy fun mushroom exhaust manifold. There's a difference.

 

[MP3Architect]

think about what you already have now:
1) a turbo that works fine
2) rods/pistons that work okay when not pushed

i think you should go forged w/ tuning (mpi, unichip, afc), fmic and downpipe. does it necessarily need to be the fully built block? you could just get rods and pistons, and do some machining of the intake mani and other stuff like that.

what you buy now and upgrade later can be sold.

i think if you get the thumper kit w/out forging, you won't enjoy it because you can't push it. if you go forged but get the haltech, then you're spending a whole lot of money on the EM that you could spend on a lesser EM and get other stuff.

with forged, fmic, dp, and MPI/afc, you'll be really happy, and down the road, you can upgrade from that.

well this is what i was thinking of getting....
so your saying that i should just get the rods and pistons or what? but then later down the road i would still need to get the whole motor to max out power though right? im trying to look long term. Short term power always costs more in the end. i know i can always resale stuff but i dunno. what do you guys think? instead of getting the whole forged motor, what should i do?

 

[Mental Addiction]

The Thumper at low boost WILL NOT blow up his engine is tuned right. You must keep inmind that larger turbos take more time to spool and have a higher lbs per minute flow.If they are no tin the sweet spot(efficency) they typically make less power than a turbo that is at the same boost level.
Example, The GT28RS makes more WHP at 8psi than a T3/T4 50trim.
The Thumper kit is an animal and can be srapped with a GT35R to make nearly 700HP. The MSP is in need of good EM.This needs to be addressed before going turbo.

 

[Lord_Zath]

well this is what i was thinking of getting....
so your saying that i should just get the rods and pistons or what? but then later down the road i would still need to get the whole motor to max out power though right? im trying to look long term. Short term power always costs more in the end. i know i can always resale stuff but i dunno. what do you guys think? instead of getting the whole forged motor, what should i do?

How's about just enjoy the stock boost for a while? You're making the change from mp3 to msp. That's a noticeable difference in hp. Enjoy it, get used to it, all the while saving. Then when you feel you want more, you have three choices IMO. 1) upgrade parts and pieces of the msp such as the exhaust manifold, turbo, intercoller, intake, exhaust, boost level, etc. 2) get a full kit to replace stock stuff. 3) get built motor.

I think either way you go, a built or reinforced motor would be good to have. But what you have to ask yourself is how far do you want to go? Do you plan on enormous amounts of boost? Or do you want a moderate increase in performance? If the answer's enormous boost, get the built motor. If it's a moderate increase, upgrade your current motor w/forged internals OR pick up a spare motor from a junkyard and run that while you build up your motor.

 

[MP3Architect]

How's about just enjoy the stock boost for a while? .

well i have the money to do something big right now (an oportunity that i wont get anytime soon again) and whatever i do i need to have it done and installed before school starts. once that happens i will be too busy to even sleep until december. i am an extraordinary busy person. working 40 hours a week, having a g/f, and being an architecture student is about the dumbess thing anyone can do. adding onto that my hobby of the proteges and im one ****** dude!

 

[Lord_Zath]

sounds like you'll be too busy to let the car sit w/a blown motor and get fixed. So I'd still say go forged internals or built motor.

 

[anarchistchiken]

I

can't believe you're even considering this man. Here's the thinkg you have to realize, no matter how big your turbo is, you're not going to be able to get more than 200 whp out of it reliably on a stock block! I understand that you want a thumper, cause it is the biggezt and baddest out there, but why the hell do you want a thumper right after you bought an MSP? Why not just put it on the MP3 with a built motor and save money?


Anyway, buy a forged block with all the goodies from MAM, get a new exhaust and all that stuff and if you can afford it an E6x or AEM computer, and crank up the stock boost. People are getting 300 wph out of the stock turbo, which is way more than you'll be able to get with a stock block. To me the decision really isn't a decision, there's only one smart choice, especially considering that you can't afford any down time from a blown motor. But whatever.

 

[Aricjm15]

I

can't believe you're even considering this man. Here's the thinkg you have to realize, no matter how big your turbo is, you're not going to be able to get more than 200 whp out of it reliably on a stock block! I understand that you want a thumper, cause it is the biggezt and baddest out there, but why the hell do you want a thumper right after you bought an MSP? Why not just put it on the MP3 with a built motor and save money?


Anyway, buy a forged block with all the goodies from MAM, get a new exhaust and all that stuff and if you can afford it an E6x or AEM computer, and crank up the stock boost. People are getting 300 wph out of the stock turbo, which is way more than you'll be able to get with a stock block. To me the decision really isn't a decision, there's only one smart choice, especially considering that you can't afford any down time from a blown motor. But whatever.

this is the same thing I am thinking, you can make more power with a just going forged with a front mount and engine management than just the thumper. besides you can always upgrade parts as you go along, MAM makes Plenty of parts to take full advantage of the MSP setup.

getting the thumper on a stock engine would be like having sex and not having an orgasm. You could only use it at 1/4 what it is designed for

 

[65racecoupe]

Go thumper and blow the hell out of the engine. (shrug)

I am king of confused also. Here is what I would do - Keep the MP3 that you have and get a forged engine and start saving up for a MAM turbo kit, sleeper or thumper.

If you are set on the MSP, do the same thing, get a forged engine and save for turbo upgrades.

Don't get the thumper before the engine. You might as well get a sleeper. Either way, you shouldn't go too far past 230 wheel hp on a stock engine.

 

[Mr. Win]

if your never gonna have this kind of money again i would not suggest taking this kind of leap. Keep in mind the thumper does not come with ems... def something that will be needed.

well what about built motor with high boost and no fmic? would the lack of a fmic cause the engine to run too hot and burn up?

 

[MP3Architect]

bump for more opinions

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

i would go forged and tuned.

 

[goku4658]

the paralyzing fear i have every day about my engine blowing tells me to advise you to go forged....and i haven't even raised my stock boost...i wish i could have that weight off my shoulders, but i'm broke!

 

[azian6er]

just get the thumper.

take this from the only person in the thread who actually HAS the kit

-Bryan

 

[hazeXban]

You are forged though...

Aren't we taught to build on something with a strong foundation 1st?

I would go with forged block and say SPlitsecond AF controller and crank up the boost for alot of fun and upgrade from there.

 

[Aricjm15]

just get the thumper.

take this from the only person in the thread who actually HAS the kit

-Bryan

without the forged engine he might as well just get the street sleeper kit, he will be able to make the same power either kit because he would not want to blow the hell out of the engine

 

[azian6er]

without the forged engine he might as well just get the street sleeper kit, he will be able to make the same power either kit because he would not want to blow the hell out of the engine

but he can always upgrade.

i am forged, but i know that at 8-9 psi tuned he will be PLENTY fine on the thumper kit.

I love how everyone has an opinion but no one has ever blown an engine or even pushed their car to a point where they know it will break. Everyone is a bench racer of sorts here because everyone syas "blah blah blah blow up".

i am telling everyone that at 8-9 psi and good tuning ( ie mpi tuner msp ecu plus aic controller..) he will be fine.

It will be fine.

-Bryan