engine rattle recall!

[INiTiAL33]

Ok just got info from my source that us Canadians are gonna recieve a recall notice in the mail for the engine rattle some time very soon...... dont know about the the ppl in the states tho... probably the same thing tho..

Hope Mazda will actually recall the bushings problem........

But i think the problem now is not that they are not recalling... tis the fact that they havent even come up with a FIX for it yet! :bs:

And since Mazda NA's attention is on the M6's sale now i think they will care less about us Proteges...

 

[SomaMP3]

I'll be waiting for mine in the mail.....but i don't have an engine rattle?

 

[MrMp3]

Dont get excited here in the states cause they only recall here if it is a safety concern.

But I hope so, Damn I just want my car back

 

[rowan]

The engine rattle shouldn't affect the MP3 at all because the MP3 has a different intake manifold without the VICS valves which are the cause of the annoyance.

 

[MP5Raycer]

are you all speaking of when you start it when its really cold and it sounds as if you have no oil in it .. or something totaly differant?

 

[chuck]

He is talking about the VTCS system rattle when COLD

He is talking about the VTCS system rattle when COLD.

Protege 2.0L have the rattle but not the MP3 because it does not have VTCS.

Here is the TBS


01-004/03 2001-2003 PROTEGE/PROTEGE5 - RATTLING NOISE AT 1000-3000 RPM COLD ENGINE
APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
2001-2003 Protege (2.0L FS only)

2002-2003 Protege5

DESCRIPTION
Some customers may experience an engine rattle noise under light to moderate acceleration with engine coolant
temperatures below 65 C (149 F) and engine RPMs between 1000 and 2900 RPM.

The noise is the result of the intentional swirl effect that is generated when the Variable Tumble Control System
(VTCS) plates in the intake manifold are closed. Swirl accelerates the burn of the air/fuel mixture which reduces
emissions when the engine is cold. The noise does not have a negative effect on the engine, and disappears as
soon as coolant temperature reaches 65 C (149 F). There is a counter-measure to help reduce the noise in
order to improve customer satisfaction.

Customers having this concern should have their vehicle repaired using one of the following procedures:

REPAIR PROCEDURE
Verify customer concern.

Check vehicle VIN range:

From VIN JM1BJ2***1*400001 to JM1BJ2***2*551281, go to step 3.

From VIN JM1BJ2***2*551282 to JM1BJ2***3*644493, go to step 4.

Replace the VTCS delay valve, then proceed to step 4.

Reprogram the PCM using WDS (Version B22 or later), verify the correct calibration from the table below:

Year/Tranmssion

File Name

New Calibration P/N


2001 MTX

DXAGBT0

1L2U-AA


2001 ATX

DXAGAS0

1L2U-BA


2002 MTX

QKMABB0

2ALU-EA


2002 MTX

QKMABB0

2ALU-EA


2002 ATX

QKAABA0

2ALU-FA


2002 ATX

QKAABA0

2ALU-FA


2002 ATX

QKBA7A0

2ALU-GA


2003 MTX

QOAMCB0

3ALU-JB


2003 ATX

QOAADA0

3ALU-KB


2003 ATX

QOAB8C0

3ALU-LB




Install revised PCM calibration sticker (9999-95-AMDC 97 available through MStore) in appropriate position (next
to vehicle emissions label) with the calibration P/N provided in the table above.

Verify repair.

PART(S) INFORMATION

Part Number

Description

Qty.

Notes


N23613980A

Delay Valve

1

Application:

All 2001 Model Year

&

2002 model year built on and before November 5, 2001



WARRANTY INFORMATION
NOTE: This information applies to verified customer complaints on vehicles covered under normal warranty. Refer
to the SRT microfiche for warranty term information.


Delay Valve Replacement and PCM Reprogram
Warranty Type

A


Symptom Code

82


Damage Code

9W


Part Number Main Cause

N236 13 980A


Quantity

1


Operation Number / Labor Hours:

XX444XR1 / 0.8



PCM Reprogram
Warranty Type

A


Symptom Code

82


Damage Code

9W


Part Number Main Cause

****18881


Quantity

0


Operation Number / Labor Hours:

XX444XR2 / 0.8

 

[MP5Raycer]

chuck you are the s***, man .. thanks ill be there tommorrow at my dealer to have them do it if they will .... they have a hard enough time changin oil

 

[dragonbabe79]

Is this the same rattle when you are just idiling?
Mine does that, sort of knocking noise

 

[MP5Raycer]

ok well i called my dealer and he ran my VIN # and siad mine was not recalled at this time but damn i hate that noise it does it all the time when she is cold .. so i know it is doing what they say the others are ..so ill keep checking since he siad it could change 30 seconds from now and he said the best way to keep a close update is to go to www.mazdausa.com

 

[Traveler]

Solution? Rip the VTCS out of your intake! I just did mine this weekend. Completely eliminates the noise. Much smoother acceleration also, although that might be because of what else I did to it. Behind the VTCS blades there is a lip that you might have seen in pics that TheMan posted. What you didn't see was that there is a lip facing INWARD on the upper side of the runner. That's right, there is an approx. .060 lip that protrudes down into the intake. The good news is, the die grinder will take care of it no problem! I ground it out and smoothed everything with a sanding roll. No more rattle, idles 50 RPM higher, uses less throttle when cruising and I feel like I picked up another 4-5 HP. Cheap to do if you can do it yourself. I spent less than $20 on a new intake gasket, tap for the shaft hole, and the brass plug to fill it. Looks the same from up top so there's no way you wouldn't pass a visual inpection. I wish I'd done this last year.

 

[MrMp3]

Sweet you da man

 

[MP5Raycer]

maybe im a short buss kid but i am totaly not sure what you mean by having to replace the intake gasket .. did you remove the entire intake manifold to do what you did or are talking about jsut your air intake? because last i knew it did not have a gasket .... help me out here

 

[twizyours]

Yes, he is talking obout the removing the butterflys inside the manifold. Traveler I understand what you did and want to do it, but I never grinded before. I am very confident that I can do it. How many grinding stones do you need ( can be purchased by home depot). Any insight would be appreciated.

 

[insider]

For THe U.S. Protege owens.

There will not be a recall but there is a TSB and if your veh has the cold start rattle the dlr can resolve it. So don't expect to get a notice in the mail because it's not going to happen just have the dlr preform the TSB on your next service visit.

TSB # 01-004/03

 

[Traveler]

Yes, I had to remove the intake manifold. If you remove the throttle body and pull it off to the side, you won't have to drain the coolant. As far as grinding, I use a metal grinding bit. I've got a set of four different shaped bit that I use to take off material. Then I use porting sanding rolls to final finish it.

 

[twizyours]

Thanks traveler where can I buy porting sanding rolls from, or do I have to order these frome summit racing or something.

 

[chuck]

I won't remove VTCS because I won't pass emissions in 2005

I won't remove VTCS because I won't pass emissions in 2005.

We must get our cars tested every 3 years

 

[Kooldino]

Solution? Rip the VTCS out of your intake! I just did mine this weekend. Completely eliminates the noise. Much smoother acceleration also, although that might be because of what else I did to it. Behind the VTCS blades there is a lip that you might have seen in pics that TheMan posted. What you didn't see was that there is a lip facing INWARD on the upper side of the runner. That's right, there is an approx. .060 lip that protrudes down into the intake. The good news is, the die grinder will take care of it no problem! I ground it out and smoothed everything with a sanding roll. No more rattle, idles 50 RPM higher, uses less throttle when cruising and I feel like I picked up another 4-5 HP. Cheap to do if you can do it yourself. I spent less than $20 on a new intake gasket, tap for the shaft hole, and the brass plug to fill it. Looks the same from up top so there's no way you wouldn't pass a visual inpection. I wish I'd done this last year.

Whaat? Pics?


Why don't the mp3's have VTCS?

Are you guys SURE we don't have VTCS?

 

[Traveler]

Twizyours: Yes, you can get them from Summit. You might find a performance shop near you with them, but not very likely.

Chuck. Shouldn't affect emissions. This was only put on to meet LEV standards from a dead cold start. The ECU won't see the modification, and the testing station won't be able to test your car dead cold. Shouldn't be a problem.

Kooldino: I took pictures, but I still don't have a digital camera. Should be developed over the weekend. I'll try to post them when I can. And no, the MP3's do not have VTCS. If you look at the top of an MP3 intake, you will see a bracket that holds a single solenoid. That is your VICS (variable intake control system) solenoid. All the other 2.0L's have 2 solenoids one of which is the VTCS. That's part of the HP between the MP3 and the ES/LX/P5 models. I can see why after having mine apart. The port design with that .060 lip protruding into the inlet sucked.