Emanage Library

[funktownp5]

so do this mean i have to buy the support tool as well to download the maps?
to the people who have had in installed or diy how hard was it to install, any problems?
im not very good with soldering or wiring so im not looking to install it myself, how much do you think it will cost to have it installed.

 

[orangezoom]

Nice man, glad to see its working well on a mazdaspeed now. How is your timing hooked up? Just directly into the wires from the emanage, or what?

I would have to put you in contact with the man actually tuning it but he is controling the timing I saw it on my own laptop

 

[MP3skaterNC]

well try to find out tomorrow alright. It would be a great help to me.

 

[mp3moose]

Shinzen,
There are two different E-01's. Both control the emanage but the $500 one controls boost too. The nonboost e-01 JUST controls the emanage and I can get it for $340.
Thats a lot less than a laptop (in that if I did buy a laptop I'd spend at least 1400 to get something that I could use for more than a tunning project). Plus, its sexy and you can adjust in the car without taking up the passenger seat.

The o2 wideband is needed as an "after the fact" reading of the air fuel ratio. This is one very important varible to base your timing a fuel control around. And the stock narrow band sensor is lean and completely inaccurate to tune from.
moose

 

[shinzen]

hmm, it is pretty sexy and for 340, I will probably look into it after awhile, but I have access to a laptop whenever I want, so for the time being I'll just go that route.

Where is the WB o2 sensor installed- you mention after the fact- normally with our cars it's just the MAF, so right near the IM?

 

[Reffoxel]

I believe it's because a wideband O2 sensor is considered much more accurate than the stock O2 sensor.

damn man- over $500 for the e-01 isn't it? why not just get an older used laptop for a few hundred- oh and why the o2 sensor? I wasn't aware of that neccessity.

 

[mp3moose]

Thats correct. Stock o2 sensor measure +- ONE volt I believe. Thus it measures on a very small band of how much of your hydrocarbons have burned. Also, Perfworks found the stock sensor to measure lean amounts when he hooked up his WB side by side. Hence a WB is needed to tune any car.

A/F meters that use the stock sensor are just fancy light shows and cannot be relied upon for accurate measurements.

The WB sensor itself can be put just where your stock sensor is on the exhuast manifold. Its an "after the fact' measurement in that it judges what is left after combustion and then tells the ECU to adjust the incoming air/fuel ratio accordly.

Moose

 

[shinzen]

duh- I feel like an idiot on the placement now-I should have known that- thanks for the explanation moose

 

[Reffoxel]

mp3moose are you saying that the stock narrow band O2 sensor can be replaced with a wideband? Will the stock ecu read from it? or would it be something you'd only use in conjunction with a piggyback or standalone aftermarket ecu.

Thats correct. Stock o2 sensor measure +- ONE volt I believe. Thus it measures on a very small band of how much of your hydrocarbons have burned. Also, Perfworks found the stock sensor to measure lean amounts when he hooked up his WB side by side. Hence a WB is needed to tune any car.

A/F meters that use the stock sensor are just fancy light shows and cannot be relied upon for accurate measurements.

The WB sensor itself can be put just where your stock sensor is on the exhuast manifold. Its an "after the fact' measurement in that it judges what is left after combustion and then tells the ECU to adjust the incoming air/fuel ratio accordly.

Moose

 

[ARunto]

I can't wait to see the maps

 

[mazdamp3_18]

Funktownp5 had a perfectly relavent question... there is no need to flame him for asking a good question...

funktown if your not good at soldering i would suggest going to a local performance shop that is certified to instal the emanage and while your at it go to a shop that has a dyno and have them tune it while your car is there...

pricing is hard to guess on since everyone will get a different price to where they go...

to just instal the emanage im guessing about $100 or more
to install and tune it may be about 300-500... depending on their rates for tuning...


descreet.. dont flame people anymore for asking relavent questions...

 

[Panzozo]

Very interesting. If the emange is working on the MSP, that's certainly a great news for us. Please keep us posted with the progress.

 

[mp3moose]

Reffoxel,
You have to weld a separate bung for a wideband and yes, you do use it in conjuction with an aftermarket ECU. Its not necessary to run the wideband at all times once you have tuned the car, but is not a bad idea just in case. In the case of a piggyback, like the emanage, your stock ECU would still need to read the narrowband o2 sensor for its operation, but the emanage would manipulate it accordingly. Hope I am all correct here, stop me if I am wrong.
moose

 

[acidbug]

Funktownp5 had a perfectly relavent question... there is no need to flame him for asking a good question...

funktown if your not good at soldering i would suggest going to a local performance shop that is certified to instal the emanage and while your at it go to a shop that has a dyno and have them tune it while your car is there...

pricing is hard to guess on since everyone will get a different price to where they go...

to just instal the emanage im guessing about $100 or more
to install and tune it may be about 300-500... depending on their rates for tuning...


descreet.. dont flame people anymore for asking relavent questions...

Actually i priced it..and it would cost a $1500 to install and tune..and that's not w/ dyno tuning!

Chas

 

[azian6er]

Actually i priced it..and it would cost a $1500 to install and tune..and that's not w/ dyno tuning!

Chas

where the hell are you taking it to get tuned? Jesse James' shop?


That seems like way tooo high. 500 for emanage and software and harnesses. 200 to install MAXXXX + 300 to tune MAXXXXX = 1K that is even still alot.

I would look around if i were you.

-B

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

where the hell are you taking it to get tuned? Jesse James' shop?


That seems like way tooo high. 500 for emanage and software and harnesses. 200 to install MAXXXX + 300 to tune MAXXXXX = 1K that is even still alot.

I would look around if i were you.

-B

lol a agree...
here locally dyno tuning runs 75 bucks and hour....no way it can be that expensive unless their just robbing ya

 

[acidbug]

where the hell are you taking it to get tuned? Jesse James' shop?


That seems like way tooo high. 500 for emanage and software and harnesses. 200 to install MAXXXX + 300 to tune MAXXXXX = 1K that is even still alot.

I would look around if i were you.

-B

That was quoted to me by Nick (Aka Perfworks)!

And ofcourse that includes the emanage in the price listed above!

Chas(thought)

 

[spoolinmp3]

That was quoted to me by Nick (Aka Perfworks)!

And ofcourse that includes the emanage in the price listed above!

Chas(thought)

A emanage installed and tuned should be around a grand.

And thats factoring in like 5 hours of install/tuning time

On a good note tonight Jaime and I will further commence in the emanage saga, we will keep all ya'll updated

 

[shinzen]

but hopefully we'll be able do download maps from here! Then it's just a bit of tweaking

 

[freekwonder]

warning stupid question alert!!!

there is to much crap in here and im getting confused. Can the Emanage work with the MSP, and if it does, what parts do i need to get it to work and what parts are recommended.

i think this thread needs to be cleaned out a bit.