E-Manage powered Mazdaspeed!

[MPNick]

Your piggy back may work differently than the e-manage but that is not the discussion here.

Thanks again

Later.........

I am not discussing my piggy back here, I have a thread just for that already. I am only asking about why the e-manage does not work.

As for checking with a scanner or not realy does not matter to me. The goal of the piggyback is to make sure when you nail the throttle you get the right AFR you are looking for, in closed or open loop. In your e-manage setup you are not able to get it to work right in closed loop.


Thanks again


Later..........Nick

 

[MPNick]

so when are you going to tell us about this thing that works? or even what it is?

You will find a thread that covers this with all of the info you need.


Thanks again


Later.........Nick


"MPI Tuner end of year sale"

 

[MPNick]

*offf topic*

Nick, what MSP did you tune ? and what unit did you use ? Just curious is all. I have yet to see anything regarding this.

We set up Deans MSP. We used our MPI Tuner, our MAF and extra injector setup.

It has been talked about in other threads.



Thanks again


Later..........Nick

 

[AutoBox]

hey InsidiousMSP i came from the rwd nissan camp....have fun, the sr20 is an awesome motor and make sure to visit www.freshalloy.com before i left there was a race for th emost stock block hp a sr20 rwd can put out....4 shops had over 450whp on stock internal blocks top shop was puttin 510whp daily driven and 539whp race trim......would u be sellin ur intake btw ??? pm me if ur sellin it...ill take it......

 

[InsidiousMSP]

hey InsidiousMSP i came from the rwd nissan camp....have fun, the sr20 is an awesome motor and make sure to visit www.freshalloy.com before i left there was a race for th emost stock block hp a sr20 rwd can put out....4 shops had over 450whp on stock internal blocks top shop was puttin 510whp daily driven and 539whp race trim......would u be sellin ur intake btw ??? pm me if ur sellin it...ill take it......

Thanks Auto,

I actually had a US S13 before the MSP. Fun car, can't wait to "go back." (this time with a SR20 and RHD) Rest assure you will be hearing about it when Billet Design gets it's crazy fabricating hands on it.

Sure thing, I will let you know about the intake.

 

[mazdamp3_18]

Me and azian6er just installed the emange today in my mp3. We got everything working but there are a few things we have ?'s about. It seems to tune fine at idle but sometimes it is more difficult to notice a difference higher in the rpm range. For those of you who used it or know about it is there a large difference on the AF gauge when the airflow is adjusted 5-10 percent? We werent noticing a lot on the AF gauge but then again it is an Autometer. Should we be using a Wideband or is that autometer gauge ok?

Also, how far is too far when it comes to advancing timing on a NA mp3?

Anyone who tuned a emanage on a NA mp3 please help us out.

 

[YP5 Toronto]

Everyone for tuning.... anything but a WIDEBAND is useless. The closest thing to a wideband is the Greddy A/F.

Please please...do not rely on the autometer to tune the emanage. you can and will make some expensive mistakes.

 

[KzA]

yea but what do you do when you dont have a wideband at your disposal? I am about to put in the newer MPI unit in my car and tune it all up but all I have access to is a regular AF

 

[YP5 Toronto]

the problem is that you will not be able to make the adjustments at the right RPM levels. You will be basically guestimating the required changes. The autometer A/F (as an example) swings to quickly and inaccurately for TUNING purposes.

I'm not trying to be difficult with you all.... but something as IMPORTANT as mapping a piggyback/stand alone is not something that should be taken lightly.

 

[AutoBox]

basically u cant go cheap when tuning....either go all out...and do it right...or risk damage


InsidiousMSP- yeh i had a '90 240sx for almost 3 years before the rust took over and i had to sell.....dont plan to go back to the 240 but im hopin to pick up a new rwd nissan in a couple years til then its msp for me

 

[mazdamp3_18]

well for some reason i am experiencing the same problems as turboge did with his emanage...

the car seemed to reset itself after i shut it off and turned it back on...

my map was still there but the car was rich like stock..

:mad:

i dont know what i should do...

can anyone help me out..

 

[perfworks]

well for some reason i am experiencing the same problems as turboge did with his emanage...

the car seemed to reset itself after i shut it off and turned it back on...

my map was still there but the car was rich like stock..

:mad:

i dont know what i should do...

can anyone help me out..

If you PM me ill get some contact info from you. I'll give you a call and see if i can help.

 

[mazdamp3_18]

one other thing..

has anyone tuned with a n/a car??

i need to know what is too far to advance timing....


the 1 car i tuned was just for fuel...

we were using microtech...


if anyone can give me some input on what i should aim for with tuning i would appreciate it...

 

[Installshield 2]

MPNick - The exterior is the same, the programming is not. With the MP3 or P5 ECU there is no mid-range timing cut or jump to open loop. You can talk all day long about things working with MP3's or P5's, but until you start working with the MSP and an e-manage please refrain from comment.]





I have also seen the program on how it works because we have been able to have it read[cracked].

I have tuned a MSP already. I did not have any of the problems that you had with the e-manage. I think it is the fastest MSP street car to date. Anyway if you install a piggy back you should be able to change the fuel and timing within reason. You should be able to make any ecu act like any other ecu.
I have no need to work with a e-manage, I have something that works right already.

Do not get me wrong all the work and the info that you found out is great for the forum. It helps people see what works and what does not.

Thanks again


Later................Nick

Sorry Braden, not trying to thread jack...but..

MPNick reading or logging an ECU is not "cracking" it...you do not know the programming language of any 2.0L protege ECU...by cracking an ECU you would be able to fully reprogram it, effectively converting the stock ECU into a fully programmable standalone...any backflipper can hook up a logger and read what the sensors are outputting...

And your system is running into a very similar problem with Paul's car...the stock ECU is pulling fuel, which is altering his fuel math, and he needs to keep adding more fuel to prevent detonation...he adds more, the stock ECU pulls it back again, he adds more, the stock ECU does the latter...he will too, most likely, get to a point in which he can no longer get the stock ECU to accept the signal changes made by the piggy, and get an MIL ...similar problem, different piggyback...Its the ECU...there is no almighty piggyback that will get the language of the stock ECU to not do this...So please stop saying that you have one...

 

[MPNick]

Sorry Braden, not trying to thread jack...but..

MPNick reading or logging an ECU is not "cracking" it...you do not know the programming language of any 2.0L protege ECU...by cracking an ECU you would be able to fully reprogram it, effectively converting the stock ECU into a fully programmable standalone...any backflipper can hook up a logger and read what the sensors are outputting...

Sorry but we are talking about two things here. I am very much talking about having had the ECU programing language broken down and read. Being able to see and read what Ford has done and where they did it. We have not been able to reflash the ECU yet but it is coming.

You are talking about having a scanner hook up to the car and reading the sensor outputs.


Thanks again


Later.................Nick

 

[jersey_emt]

Sorry but we are talking about two things here. I am very much talking about having had the ECU programing language broken down and read. Being able to see and read what Ford has done and where they did it. We have not been able to reflash the ECU yet but it is coming.

You are talking about having a scanner hook up to the car and reading the sensor outputs.


Thanks again


Later.................Nick

If this is true then you are the first company to do so (as far as I know). Keep us updated...a simple PCM reflash or a easily installable/uninstallable chip has the potential to be a great thing for Protege owners, and a big moneymaker for you (seeing as how you'd be the only one with such a product available).

 

[igdrasil]

ECU Still Pulling fuel....???...

I have experienced it the hard way, I tried pushing fuel on closed loop and it will come to the moment that the ECU will shut down the injectors and the car will stall, been there, done that, just like hitting a wall. Not with an emanage or anything else, just pushing fuel.

 

[mazdamp3_18]

is everyone completely ignoring my posts (except perfworks)?

im trying to get help with my car and no one is even attempting to help me , or do you guys have no clue to the answers to the questions im asking....

 

[Chojin]

Everyone -

Here's my experience using the Split Second PSC1-015 piggy-back fuel controller with our MP3-T (using 370 cc/min injectors and a Vortech 6:1 fmu):

(The PSC1-015 reads vehicle RPM (y-axis) and uses an internal MAP sensor to read vac/boost (x-axis). Based on these two inputs, the tuner uses a laptop with the Split Second R4 Software to modify the MAF signal to the PCM to get the desired A/F ratio.)

1. The PCM will accept changes made to the MAF signal at idle (vacuum) up to a certain amount before a MIL occurs.

2. The PCM will negate any changes made to the MAF signal during Closed Loop operation.

3. The PCM will accept changes made to the MAF signal during Open Loop operation up to a certain amount before a MIL occurs.

We are using a Split Second ESC1 to put the PCM into Open Loop operation as soon as boost is detected so we can fine tune the fuel map while in boost.

Hope this helps.

Later.

-Shawn

 

[mazdamp3_18]

so i should only tune for wot?