Does the N/A 2.3ltr Motor bolt up to the speed 6 AWD?

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all4bspinnin

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2006 Mazdaspeed 6
Just curious about a few options for the speed 6. I was wondering if you can take the 2.3 ltr N/A motor and bolt it up to the speed6's AWD transmission. Or maybe a focus svt 2.3ltr.

I would assume the bolt pattern for the transmission is similar?

It would be nice to do a swap with a cheap port injection engine, build it, run a haltech EMS with a nice turbo setup... this way we could get around all the fueling issues, have a higher rev limit (past 7k, which would compensate for the short gearing), and eliminate any other drama that the 2.3 DISI has

opinions, comments?
 
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I disagree, here's why. Several members, mostly on the other forum have experienced blown motors while trying to push this engine for power. I believe the main problems at this point are the fueling issues associated with the DI system and related tuning. True, switching the motor for an NA, turned turbo, possibly swapping parts over (turbo, downpipe, intercooler, etc) and putting them on a built na motor does seem like an expensive venture but to those who have spent tons of $$$ (aka mark from SU) and still seem to have trouble could have gone this route from the beginning and been making waaaay more power.

I would like to see a company out there take the initiative and try this setup out. The mazdaspeed platform means that the car has been modified from a DD to a car with more pep and step. Swapping the motor, imo doesnt take away from that, it only gives it more potential.
 
While that motor would most likely bolt up, you've got a lot of work ahead of you. You're going to have to reconfigure the car to run a port injection setup, control the AWD, and keep function of all the other items in the car.

I would say if you're serious about getting more power out of this platform, here's what I'd do:
-forged internals with slightly larger bore pistons
-balance shaft delete/windage tray
-crank strap
-higher flowing turbo manifold with GT3076 turbo and external wastegate
-catless downpipe & turboback exhaust (3"+)
-upgraded clutch and lighter flywheel
-possibility of swapping gears with 2010 MS3 (yet to be confirmed if the transmissions are the same otherwise)
-upgraded CDFP internals
-FMIC or liquid to air TMIC
-upgraded rear drive shafts and stiffer rear diff mount
-custom tune

I think that covers everything.
 
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tunersteve said:
While that motor would most likely bolt up, you've got a lot of work ahead of you. You're going to have to reconfigure the car to run a port injection setup, control the AWD, and keep function of all the other items in the car.

I would say if you're serious about getting more power out of this platform, here's what I'd do:
-forged internals with slightly larger bore pistons
-balance shaft delete/windage tray
-crank strap
-higher flowing turbo manifold with GT3076 turbo and external wastegate
-catless downpipe & turboback exhaust (3"+)
-upgraded clutch and lighter flywheel
-possibility of swapping gears with 2010 MS3 (yet to be confirmed if the transmissions are the same otherwise)
-upgraded CDFP internals
-FMIC or liquid to air TMIC
-upgraded rear drive shafts and stiffer rear diff mount
-custom tune

I think that covers everything.
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really? speed 3 gears?

i wanna see that...
 
tunersteve said:
Yeah, the new MS3 allows you to hit 60 in 2nd gear. I also believe it has a little more oomph in the higher gears as well.
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0-60 times seem to be the same though. i'd figure they'd be shorter by at least a few tenths. a wrx as a faster 0-60 cuz of it. but its not faster than my speed6 in the 1/8 or quarter.

but lets not go there:p
 
Mistersix said:
0-60 times seem to be the same though. i'd figure they'd be shorter by at least a few tenths. a wrx as a faster 0-60 cuz of it. but its not faster than my speed6 in the 1/8 or quarter.

but lets not go there:p
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With an upgraded motor though, I would imagine that would only help the driver get faster 0-60 times.
 
Direct Injection is your friend. The problems with blown engines on this and the MS3 are not always, but mostly due to negligence.

Coming to the conlusion that DI is to blame is like saying "that stupid aluminum block... had it been cast iron I wouldn't have thrown a rod through it..."
 
Blendercloud said:
Direct Injection is your friend. The problems with blown engines on this and the MS3 are not always, but mostly due to negligence.

Coming to the conlusion that DI is to blame is like saying "that stupid aluminum block... had it been cast iron I wouldn't have thrown a rod through it..."
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Thank you for setting it straight. Doesn't seem like people are keeping up with new products and whats goin on with the platform. Im sure you will see soon enough just exactly what the 2.3 DISI can do, its only a matter of time.

companies are puting time and money into figuring out solutions for our motor, and new products pop up all the time. PCV fixes, latest IM porting options and what they found when getting into it, as well as some secretive stuff vendors dont wanna say yet.

just be patient
 
I don't think the DI is the problem. I think it's just a new avenue for power to be made. VW/Audi guys are making power, but the newer DI motors, like the DISI and the DI Ecotec turbo seem to have the same problems. Above 400 or so hp, the fueling becomes the major issue.

These motors are still really 'green' in terms of life. They've only been around for roughly 4 years, and are still being researched and developed on.
 
The ideas, technologies, and some applications have been around for nearly half a century though. (Just so nobody gets the idea that the technology itself is new.)
 
Blendercloud said:
The ideas, technologies, and some applications have been around for nearly half a century though. (Just so nobody gets the idea that the technology itself is new.)
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We're just seeing it in the affordable, mass-produced vehicles most recently.
 
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