Not if they find out he took a saw to the bumper they wont...and guess what? The body shop estimate will point that right out.
Cut the bumper support to expose my FMIC more..
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Maxx Mazda
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Interesting point. In theory, if he was to be at fault in an accident and the other party was injured, could they not sue him for having his car be "unsafe" or something? That wouldn't happen up here, but I know Americans are sue-crazy... In theory, would they have the right?
as tragic as that would be it would also be kinda awesome
I'm thinking the other way around. The insurer might not feel that it has a responsibility to cover any damages and injuries as a result of a front collision, because they may argue that the owner of the vehicle has compromised an important piece of safety equipment.
But then again, I'm speculating.
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I'm really not sure how removing this small amount of the front bumper would be "unsafe" for the person he hits at 40mph.... maybe himself (but I doubt even that). I think the full vs. cut support would do about the same good at 40mph. But honestly, unless you are a mechanical engineer..... good luck proving it either way!
chriscecc914
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The big front mount look is intimidating and makes any car look 100 times better unless of course ur going for the sleeper look which most ms6 owners are going for.
From an engineering standpoint:
Given the fact that I dont know dimensions, nor do I know material used, and given fact that its a unibody, and forces are directed and distributed throughout the entire structure, it would be very difficult to say how profound an effect this would have on structural integrity ... But it WILL have an effect on structural integrity.
If you were to get into a front-end collision, you would be transferring the entire force throughout an area only 1/2 that originally designed. That would double all the stresses on the steel, and joints, and reinforcements causing failures. So, instead of a steel bar absorbing and distributing the impact, the force of the impact will be absorbed by 1/2 a crash bar, your radiator, your engine block and intake manifold. Just hope that it is a head-on collision, and not an offset collision.
But, without extensive modeling, thats debateable.
If it were me? I would weld in some gussets and fill in that box-frame that you cut through. Actually, if it were me, I wouldnt have done it to begin with. You dont need an intercooler that big. But in the meantime, it looks wicked bad-ass, and drive safe.
And from a Legal standpoint: If a bodyshop were to notice this modification after you were in a front end collision, any lawyer fresh out of lawschool could argue that you modified the safety of the vehicle, and that without proper state validation/verification/approval is not street legal, and does not deserve to be on the road. Thus, the accident should have never happened, and you are left with a ruined vehicle. But, thats only if lawyers get involved.
Given the fact that I dont know dimensions, nor do I know material used, and given fact that its a unibody, and forces are directed and distributed throughout the entire structure, it would be very difficult to say how profound an effect this would have on structural integrity ... But it WILL have an effect on structural integrity.
If you were to get into a front-end collision, you would be transferring the entire force throughout an area only 1/2 that originally designed. That would double all the stresses on the steel, and joints, and reinforcements causing failures. So, instead of a steel bar absorbing and distributing the impact, the force of the impact will be absorbed by 1/2 a crash bar, your radiator, your engine block and intake manifold. Just hope that it is a head-on collision, and not an offset collision.
But, without extensive modeling, thats debateable.
If it were me? I would weld in some gussets and fill in that box-frame that you cut through. Actually, if it were me, I wouldnt have done it to begin with. You dont need an intercooler that big. But in the meantime, it looks wicked bad-ass, and drive safe.
And from a Legal standpoint: If a bodyshop were to notice this modification after you were in a front end collision, any lawyer fresh out of lawschool could argue that you modified the safety of the vehicle, and that without proper state validation/verification/approval is not street legal, and does not deserve to be on the road. Thus, the accident should have never happened, and you are left with a ruined vehicle. But, thats only if lawyers get involved.
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this looks awesome.. IMO make a custom grille for it or customize your stock one and it would look rlly good.. i wonder what it would look like if i did this with cpe's intercooler installed..that support doesnt do crap but protect the radiator anyways if ur going thirty mph or more chances are ud lose the part he cut..plus thats what airbags are for.
Like Killer said, what's your source on this?
Airbags can't save you or your legs when an engine block is coming into the passenger compartment.
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evo'skickass
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completely ruined the appeal of the car, but if you like it..........
Maxx Mazda
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Perrin's required you to cut the bumper, they jsut added a reinforcement on the top edge to keep it from flapping. It still was never a proper bumper.
PerformanceRacing
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Thanks for the compliments folks.
Again, I and anyone with a brain knows this does make the front end weaker,it's common sense.
But I am sure cutting a small part of the bar wont make a big difference when you're in a collision where the engine will be forced into the cabin area.
Also,yes, I am going to fab the stock grille or create my own. But for now,the stock grille is back on and looks no different than the attached images in the first post.
In a legal standpoint - I don't give a shyt to be honest. If I had an STi or any car that has an FMIC kit that comes with an replacement bumper,it is still considered modifying the bumper.. But this thread is not to argue about the structural integrity..
Once I get time to make a grille,I'll definitely update this thread
Again, I and anyone with a brain knows this does make the front end weaker,it's common sense.
But I am sure cutting a small part of the bar wont make a big difference when you're in a collision where the engine will be forced into the cabin area.
Also,yes, I am going to fab the stock grille or create my own. But for now,the stock grille is back on and looks no different than the attached images in the first post.
In a legal standpoint - I don't give a shyt to be honest. If I had an STi or any car that has an FMIC kit that comes with an replacement bumper,it is still considered modifying the bumper.. But this thread is not to argue about the structural integrity..
Once I get time to make a grille,I'll definitely update this thread
mazdaspeedwerx
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I installed my perrin kit and didnt cut the bumper. it has a replacement bar that comes with the kit. the bumper is sitting in my garage uncut. there was some cutting but not the bumper. you guys should talk to perrin for a kit. they have quality kits for other cars. there is an apparant market for a 6
