Comparrison MSProtege vs. RSX type-S

[Pro5OnSpeed]

so Daemos, how can we get past that closed circuit loop problem??? lol j/k

many computer people are having trouble with that. does the RX-7 have the closed circuit thing too? me want rotary power.... but pro5 will have to do, and does nicely.

 

[Daemos]

so Daemos, how can we get past that closed circuit loop problem??? lol j/k

many computer people are having trouble with that. does the RX-7 have the closed circuit thing too? me want rotary power.... but pro5 will have to do, and does nicely.

What do you mean the closed circuit thing...? maybe I'll ask my friend what he means, I'll see him probally thurs or fri, cuz when it comes to rotary engines, I know almost jack s*** cept from what my friends have taught me about them.

I was thinking to get a used RX7 but my friends told me you gotta baby the car take care of it, rebuild the engine and store it in winter and I was like "oh damn...I need a car for winter too"
so yea that was my rotary experience, and seeing a blown rotary engine too is neat.

 

[Pro5OnSpeed]

i wouldnt worry too much about the rotary's performance with a 2nd or 3rd gen rx-7. you should buy one.

the ecu's are noprogrammable nor are they flashable. that scuks for NA tune because not only does the chip control engine performance but other things as well. the ecu keeps trying to correct itself to allow more or less fuel as needed mainly for emissions.

that is one of the main reasons why proteges have limmited mod potential. the spec v is and will be more available to mod then the msp. that IS a fact guys i am sorry to say. unless we could somehow find a way to do a rodger foo tune, or somebody finds a way to flash or trick the ecu. well there is spoolins e manange system which tricks the ecu. but even so that can only do so much. i wish i could upgrade to a larger fuel pump, fuel rail and performance injectors, but since the ecu corrects itself over and over again it would be worthless. hence go turbo.

 

[Daemos]

i wouldnt worry too much about the rotary's performance with a 2nd or 3rd gen rx-7. you should buy one.

the ecu's are noprogrammable nor are they flashable. that scuks for NA tune because not only does the chip control engine performance but other things as well. the ecu keeps trying to correct itself to allow more or less fuel as needed mainly for emissions.

that is one of the main reasons why proteges have limmited mod potential. the spec v is and will be more available to mod then the msp. that IS a fact guys i am sorry to say. unless we could somehow find a way to do a rodger foo tune, or somebody finds a way to flash or trick the ecu. well there is spoolins e manange system which tricks the ecu. but even so that can only do so much. i wish i could upgrade to a larger fuel pump, fuel rail and performance injectors, but since the ecu corrects itself over and over again it would be worthless. hence go turbo.

well it's too late now, my money already went down to pay for my spec...which I'm glad I got because atleast I can drive it in winter

Yea, my friend's RX7 once he gets his engine rebuilt will do atleast 350 to the rear wheels.

 

[Pro5OnSpeed]

350 to the wheels! DAMN! i want to see pics of him screaming tires and burning asphalt when he is done!

 

[Daemos]

350 to the wheels! DAMN! i want to see pics of him screaming tires and burning asphalt when he is done!

he's also looking to do something to his tranny something like the spec v (not too sure about the protege) has, you can't downshift to some gears if you're going too fast. Like if I'm going say 60 km/h I can't get into 2nd, because that would be crazy.

That's how my friend blew his engine, he was doing something, and he misshited instead of going into 5th he went into 3rd by total accident and it blew his engine.

 

[JasonH]

he's also looking to do something to his tranny something like the spec v (not too sure about the protege) has, you can't downshift to some gears if you're going too fast. Like if I'm going say 60 km/h I can't get into 2nd, because that would be crazy.

That's how my friend blew his engine, he was doing something, and he misshited instead of going into 5th he went into 3rd by total accident and it blew his engine.

"Doing something"? I should say he was. He should have been paying attention. He should get an automatic. The shifter will not want to go into gear if you're downshifting from, say, 5th to 2nd. I'm sure just about the time your friend got it jammed into gear and started to release the clutch he thought "Man, that was pretty difficult to get in gear*ZINGGBOOOM*OHMYGODWHATDIDIDO!!!!!!?????"

Sounds like you don't know about cars...the Spec V gains lots of power after it's broken into.

Well, I'm not getting one of those. I'm sure the Mazdaspeed Proteges will be broken into enough, just like the MP3s were.

 

[bud_d]

Well, I'm not getting one of those. I'm sure the Mazdaspeed Proteges will be broken into enough, just like the MP3s were.

being as you don't have a or a (lol) I'm gonna say you actually thought he meant breaking in to be that of stealing in that case you catch on not so fast.

 

[JasonH]

being as you don't have a or a (lol) I'm gonna say you actually thought he meant breaking in to be that of stealing in that case you catch on not so fast.

"LOL" is soooo 20th century. The was implied. I thought his orignal comment was funny enough. He didn't say "breaking in" he said "breaking into". Now who's not so fast?

 

[dimic]

Getting into wrong gear is not that dificult, if one is trying to show off. It all depends on how slick transmission is.

My younger, crazier brother, who is technically the best driver I ever met, at 190 km/h hit third, instead of 5th... Off it goes transmission on his Cadet GSI. Of course, this was with some friends in the car - which points why I think he's good driver in regards to technique only. And, no he's in not inexperienced, he's 25, and with some 400K km under his belt.

Off course I'm way worse driver than my brother, but something like that could never happened to me, or anyone else on this board

 

[Daemos]

"Doing something"? I should say he was. He should have been paying attention. He should get an automatic. The shifter will not want to go into gear if you're downshifting from, say, 5th to 2nd. I'm sure just about the time your friend got it jammed into gear and started to release the clutch he thought "Man, that was pretty difficult to get in gear*ZINGGBOOOM*OHMYGODWHATDIDIDO!!!!!!?????"

Well, I'm not getting one of those. I'm sure the Mazdaspeed Proteges will be broken into enough, just like the MP3s were.

I'd like you to see you do that....btw, I know this may be condomed (sp?) but trust me my friend has learned his lesson from this...he was running from the cops, taking turns everywhere, when he was making a turn, he shifted out into neutral, then accidently gunned it into 3rd gear, now I don't know about you, but making even a rotary engine spin at 14,000 RPM is kinda dangerous. Under that kind of stress any mistakes can happen, espically with throws that small, the Spec V people suffer the same way as the Celica people first did with small gear box and small throws (could be shorter) and my friend's gear box is so small and throws are so short, it is easy to mis-shift in his car.

Yes his actions were stupid, yes he has lost his licance, but he's taking this time to build a better faster car, and it'll be for track/auto crossing racing only, and some street driving.

It was putting something like 275 to the rear wheels...he's gonna put it to 350.

 

[Pro5OnSpeed]

ummmmmmmmmm......

14k rpm??????

when i first got my car i misshifted. i went from 3rd to second and missed 4th at around 5grand. that suck! the car lurched back like something else!

i was teaching my bro how do drive stick. and he didnt know the rule about NEVER EVER downshift into 1st! that s*** hurt like a mother! he never did it again!

 

[tritonheat1]

Sounds like you don't know about cars...the Spec V gains lots of power after it's broken into. planoSER did 15.09 in the 1/4 mile STOCK

those times you posted for the MSP are also the pre-production times.

hmmm seems like you don't know too much about the car you're bashing nor the car you're trying to defending.

What was the question you were asking? I didn't see it.

http://www.b15sentra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29853

those are the 1/4 times for some of the Spec V's on the b15sentra forums. As you can see PlanoSER hit the 1/4 in 15.09 seconds STOCk, so hmmm...what are you trying to say?

most people on the forums are getting 1/4 stock times like 15.2 seconds.

2003s are supposed to be faster, but no one has broken in their engines yet to see the speeds, and take em to the track.

So sorry no the Production MSP won't go the 1/4 mile in 14.9 seconds. Not too sure on the 0-60.

so hmmm sorry stock for stock the MSP performance wise the MSP only gets ahead in handling (and yes it gets VERY far ahead)

and the fastest NA spec v right now hits the 1/4 mile 14.6 seconds with CAI, header, exhaust and springs. (which I corrected my self before if you decided to read)

your friend :new motor well that's smart to race in...it's not broken in -.-; moron, probally doesn't know how to drive properly either.

FYI: My friend who works on RX7s all day..says the MSP is a sad attempt by mazda he says they should of atleast strengthed the engine. He says...potential...not much...still good enough for a protege heh...he says the sentra though has quite a bit more potential...but they still bow down to RX7s

Hey Daemos seems like you know alot about cars huh, LMMFAO(lol) (rofl) (lol) (rofl). Man there aint no SpecV (ESPECIALLY) Stock gonna run a 15.09sec 1/4mile. SO you mean to tell me that this normal driver can outrun #'s from a experienced driver when especially the numbers come in at 15.5sec stock. :bs: (lol) you show me some slips of what he ran in the 1/4mile, speed, reaction time, 100 ft, 500ft. Until you can show me the slips keep your yapping mouth shut, and No i aint gonna go on the sentra.net to listen to them yap out saying they ran it. I wanna see the slips not, typing #'s from the computer. BTW this is something i found from experienced drivers like i said, i will post a whole lot more articles on the SPec saying the #'s being at 15.4-15.7sec. Enjoy http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2121.shtml

 

[tritonheat1]

Oh yeah and here's another article on the SpecV this one is from SCC (SportCompactCar) I think they ran a 0-60 in 7.8sec and 1/4mile 15.7sec hmmmm i think that's right anyways here u go enjoy http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0112scc_sentra/

 

[tritonheat1]

Oh yeah hey i found a couple more articles put together so i will post now, but the fastest time i think came from Motortrend it was a 0-60...7.23sec 1/4mile 15.44sec and the slowest was a 7.7sec 0-60 and 1/4mile 16.00sec. I still couldn't find any low 15's" OHHH wait a minute i forgot that's becuase the car is impossible to achieve, it's not that quick(rofl) (lol) (rofl) (rofl) (rofl)

 

[tritonheat1]

oops here it is http://www.autosite.com/new/grabbag/perform/2996.asp (rofl) (rofl)

 

[tritonheat1]

Man it seems like you know alot about your car. 15.09sec 1/4mile lol(rofl) (rofl) (rofl) (rofl) (rofl) (rofl) (rofl) (rofl) (rofl) (rofl)

 

[Daemos]

It's been done.

Live with it.

Man don't you know how to edit your posts, you're nearly as dumb as the colin guy.

yes a SPEC V has done the 1/4 mile in 15.09 seconds, if you know how to drive.

The SSC issue has the spec running 15.9 but if you READ the article it's because of a dead cylinder.

Writing for a mag doesn't make you a professional driver.

You drive so many cars, that you can't get USED to one, everycar drives diffrently and has diffrent ways to launch.

the 15.09 stock was probally launched at around 2200 rpm, and he probally NEVER hit the rev limiter which is at 6200 rpm.

Guess what...it seems you know jack s*** about cars, stop using magazine times, they prove jack s***.

But if you're gonna...then the MSP and the Spec V should be tied for 1/4 mile. Because all the 14.9 times you saw for the MSP, guess what...it was preproduction.

fool. go back to school.

If you don't think someone who OWNS a car, and drives it EVERY day, can't drive it better than a "professional" driver who drove the car maybe once or twice...then man...there must be something wrong with your logic.

also remember this, the 2003s (which have NOT been tested yet) b/c of the new tranny and gear ratios are supposed to be even faster but harder to launch.

I'm sorry if the MSP doesn't suffer from horriendis Wheel hop or spin, because of it's low amount of start up torque, but the Spec DOES, and if you don't know how to control it your times will suck.

hmm so who's the moron once again...yes that's right you tritonheat1, the one who doesn't even know how to used the edit button.

So BY your logic...the MSP and the Spec V should be tied for speed is that right? because magazines on the PRODUCTION MSP haven't gotten anything faster than 15.5 seconds...hmmm

so if you say the Spec V isn't that quick, you're also saying the MSP isn't either. In any case, you lose, cuz I'm right.

BTW did you even check out the link I posted for the 1/4 times on the b15boards?

Magazine times are worthless, the people who test these cars don't even break in the engine properly, and they only go about it once or twice. The people who OWN the cars really know what the **** they are doing. They practice practice and practice, and let the engine break in properly.

I've seen a civic SIR run the 1/4 in like 15.3 seconds, eventhough the fastest magazine I saw the 1/4 time for that was lilke 15.7 seconds...

hmm...I wonder...how do people like you graduate from high school?

 

[dmitrik4]

Guess what...it seems you know jack s*** about cars, stop using magazine times, they prove jack s***.

esp when you only quote the fastest (by far) tested time for a certtian car and compare it to the slowest time for another (by a different driver in a different location) and assume that's a fair comparison.

 

[Daemos]

esp when you only quote the fastest (by far) tested time for a certtian car and compare it to the slowest time for another (by a different driver in a different location) and assume that's a fair comparison.

Yea Tritonheat1 is a moron...look at the other thread...man he really knows jack s*** about cars...and everyone always puts him down because he's dumb.

The RSX will smoke the MSP easily...if the driver knows how to stay in the vtec he'll be flying.

Which is why you see so many Celica owners flying, because they launch at 6000 rpm, and they stay in lift the whole time, giving them the advantage. the fastest STOCK celica I've seen is a 2000 and it did the 1/4 mile in like 14.7 seconds...it was SCARY he lauched RIGHT at lift. at 6200 rpm, and he flew.

the magazine people don't know jack when they're testing a car, they'll just launch it at a normal range and test the 1/4 mile for that. the launch can make all the diffrence.

it looks liks Colin and Tritonheat1 have made their own cult to the MSP.

So Tritonheat...will the MSP smoke my friends old mustang? The answer using your logic would be yes it would because the MSP has LSD