Comparrison MSProtege vs. RSX type-S

RSX Type-S OR MS Protege???

  • RSX Type-S

    Votes: 22 25.6%
  • MS Protege

    Votes: 64 74.4%

  • Total voters
    86
I'm sorry to interupt all this but does anyone know about a turbo for the RSX type-S??? I asked earlier, just checking to see if you all heard me!
 
turbo for rsx

i do beleive there are kits that will be available for the rsx. i know that people are having a hard time tuning the iVTEC from the rsx because honda programmed the ecu in such a way that if you steal the engine it will not run, i'm sure you wont do that though! the newer VTEC's are harder to tune for, one reason being the computer. thats whay i have been told by several shops. one of the main reasons why i didnt buy a honda. the older models 99 and before are modular, those are the ones you want to tune.

check out the HKS website for updates, or even GReddy. ask them, im sure the can give you a much better answer.
 
sleeper_ said:
daemos.. 14.6 with cai and exhaust? i haven't been following the sentra forums that closely lately but that low? i'll have to raise the bs flag on this one unless i see slips. any other mods? knock sensor mod? balance shaft removed?

the fastest stock Spec V right now is 15.09 seconds
I'm just gonna pull out the other info from you, I think that one for the 14.6 had headers and springs.

It's not hard to believe if headers give 10 to the wheels, and intake is about 7, then exhaust is another 10.

http://www.b15sentra.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=29853 Those are the quickest sentras on b15sentra.net

The MSP in the SSC article ran 15.5 and the Spec V ran 15.9 on a bad engine, and we've seen REAL production Spec V run 15.09s and the 2003s with the revised trannys are supposed to accelerate faster and do the 1/4 faster, but that hasn't been proven yet, since no one has had the time to break in the engine.

but if you think about it SSC got 15.5 as the fastest time they've recorded for the Spec V (not broken in) and 15.5 for the MSP (not broken in) and espically when the Spec V was an 2002. And the fact that the MSP uses WAY sticker tires than the gay crap continental contact sports on the Spec...well put the same tires on the spec, and the Spec V will beat the MSP with the same driver.

However take it to some crazy autocrossing track, without coilovers the spec takes a bow to the MSP.
 
if you thin kthe protege can't be fast got to round 6 under the mp3 form, from smp000 you'll see what spoolin has smoked with his mp3, you be left breathless, not one of your spec vs could **** with him
 
colin949 said:
if you thin kthe protege can't be fast got to round 6 under the mp3 form, from smp000 you'll see what spoolin has smoked with his mp3, you be left breathless, not one of your spec vs could **** with him

so he can do the 1/4 mile faster than 13.2 seconds?

hmmm....

intresting.

Just wait til the turbo kits are mass produced for the specs, there'll be alot of sad RT4/WRX owners.

With 275 to the wheels for the spec that's easily mid-high 13s with NO additional mods BUT the turbo kit.

Add headers, cams, new ecu (in the works) springs(to control wheel hop/spin) it'll be 12 seconds easy.
 
daemos, remember gains from mods are not additive. consider doing the same mods for the msp as on the 14.660sec (intake, exhaust, header) spec-v; the same mods for the msp will be quite good.
 
sleeper_ said:
daemos, remember gains from mods are not additive. consider doing the same mods for the msp as on the 14.660sec (intake, exhaust, header) spec-v; the same mods for the msp will be quite good.

I don't think the MSP will have the same gains as the Spec V for just normal "breathing" mods. just because it has a less restrictive flow...and it NEEDs diffrent mods for the turbo...and it's a smaller engine.

don't forget bigger engine = more power from bolt ons.
 
sleeper_ said:
but, it's a turbo system.

too bad mazda had to ruin a perfectly decent system, even if the stock engine can only take up to 8-9 psi at most relialbly, it would be better than nothing. Like breaking the psi limiter is an automatic warrenty void.

Lets say I add a AEM CAI, HS header, coilovers, and exhaust...I won't void any part of my warrenty unless if that part CAUSES the void.

but in my opinion...I really think it's sad that it takes a protege engine with a turbo, and at 6.9 psi and it STILL doesn't make as much power as a Spec v. A spec v with a turbo at 7 psi is good easily for 250 to the wheels....see HUGE diffrence, large potential.

If it's anything like the previous proteges, the modding potential will only be "meh" I mean...good because most people won't take a car to the max potential, no one has time/money to waste.

But the way I look at it for stock internals vs stock internals (EVERTHING) + keeping it street legal. The Spec will take the crown for modding (if someone decides to put that much money into the car)

I'll probally end up keeping my car for a few years, then trading it in for a better one, better use of money IMO.
 
potential this, potential that. sure with a turbo for a spec, you'll get a lot of power if LOTS of power is what you want, but not everyone wants it or will actually test its limits. however your point is that it's there if you want to, but that's a moot point if you actually don't mod it to its limit. btw, 6.9psi is actually making more power than the spec, it's just underated and/or the spec-v is overrated (considering % loss to the wheels).

you even said it yourself "most people wont' take a car to the max potential"

as for voiding the warranty, mods can't void the warranty. even if the aftermarket part causes the problem, the manufacturer covers the damage and takes up the issue with the aftermarket part manufacturer (unless the part specifies that it disclaims any liabilities).

point is: dif cars for dif people, but when you try to say one car is better than another b/c of "potential", that argument is valid ONLY when the buyer is willing to spend such and such amount on such and such mods.

as for the psi limiter, i believe it's like a rev limiter, boost is limited to prevent damage.

also, you'd have to do a heck of a lot of modding for the spec-v to make it on par with the msp in thehandling department.

also, in the style department, most would say the msp looks better which means you're stuck with the sentra styling (which imo doesn't look all that bad, but msp is most definitely the winner).

you're aware of the scc 8 ride comparison where the msp only got 2nd place b/c of the sheer horsepower of the srt-4 a review that compares what the cars are, not what they can be.
 
Yea, my friend at work, he works on RX7s, he says all the spec V will need to hang with RX7s is anti Roll bars, and coilovers. that's not bad...3 grand.

Looks...I'll buy a body kit.

Speed, while keeping it in emission laws (which are comming here soon) will be the Spec V hands down, from his sources at mazda, the MSP just BEARLY makes US emission standards, and alot of Bigger Cities in canada ESP TO and Van city, cops are stoping anyone that's modded for emissions, it'll be same here too.

BTW the only reason the spec V did so poorly was because the engine in the spec was blown, one of the pistions or something.
 
the spec v is not THE modable car, and with any modding of course its how much you want to spend. if i had the money i am sure i could pay to have a metro run 9's. anyone with an insaitable amount of cash money can do anything. so there goes your ethos.

for example, this guy named Greg, who owns a respectable tune shop around where i live has one of the fastest civics in the country. www.driversimage.com

as far as a spec v hanging with an RX-7? unlikey unless it was the first gen. that one had only 130hp. my buddy derrick couldnt even keep up with a 6psi pro5. i would like to see a spec v "hang" with a 93 RX-7. 250 vs 180? i dont think so pal. there is more torque in a two rotor then a four piston block.

i dont get it man, have fun with your spec v.
 
Pro5OnSpeed said:
the spec v is not THE modable car, and with any modding of course its how much you want to spend. if i had the money i am sure i could pay to have a metro run 9's. anyone with an insaitable amount of cash money can do anything. so there goes your ethos.

for example, this guy named Greg, who owns a respectable tune shop around where i live has one of the fastest civics in the country. www.driversimage.com

as far as a spec v hanging with an RX-7? unlikey unless it was the first gen. that one had only 130hp. my buddy derrick couldnt even keep up with a 6psi pro5. i would like to see a spec v "hang" with a 93 RX-7. 250 vs 180? i dont think so pal. there is more torque in a two rotor then a four piston block.

i dont get it man, have fun with your spec v.

Of course I don't mean hanging as in speed wise...handling wise(on a STOCK Rx7), he says the spec has tons of potential. He has both a 90 Rx7 turbo, and a 93 Rx7 TT. Of course...once you mod the handling of the RX7 it gets scary...

I'm still deciding...do I want to keep my car after the warrenty or trade it on for say a next gen Se-R (based on some Renult design, for performance) or get a 350Z (if they're still out *drool*

Oh yea...my friend also says...the Spec V is the car with more modding potential...but he also says...most people probally won't mod the MSP enough to bring it to it's max potential, because once you start dumping that much money into a car...you could of gotten a better car :)

Also don't forget....Rotarys were ment to take boost...without boost...they're pretty weak engines, producing like no torque or horsepower....

Technically Rotarys are also "8-9 L" engines...because each contact is 1.3 L X 3 X 2 (rotaries) I can't remember correctly the exact formula but that's what it is. But since mazda only counts the contact...it's only 1.3 L.

:) Just thought you'd like to know if you really really wanted to get THAT technical about it. heh

oh yea..why do you want a Mp3 ECU...get a euro P5 Ecu...you may not meet emission standards (but I don't know how important that is for you) Which is also another good point for the Spec...it lies way below emission standards, while the MSP just makes em...smallest mod will make the MSP over emissions, while you can mod the Spec without having to worry for a while...(this is ofcourse depending on how strict the laws are where you are)
 
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I would go with the RSX Type S personally. I own both a P5 & an RSX (not S)

1-MSP 160 F/I Hp.
2-RSX 200 N/A Hp.

To me that seems a clear indication of which would have more potential for moding. Plus Greddy is almost finished developing a turbo kit, I have also read that Jackson is in the process of doing a supercharger kit as well.

Plus VTEC is dope!
 
Just another thought. You'll be paying a bit more for insurance on the RSX versus any Protege. And don't let the HP bite. The MSP (on paper) still managed to sprint to 60mph a bit quicker than the RSX in some publications but not all. Throw a turbo on the RSX and their no comparison when it comes to speed. There also no longer a comparison when it comes to price either since the Type-S is already $3k more than the MSP and any turbo kit developed will cost you about $3.5k at the least on top of the price of the car. But it's clear to me that no RSX Type-S in stock form to mildly modded will run circles around an MSP. But we'll have to wait and see what can be done with he MSP once they friggin get here.
 
Seems Like Daemos IS hiding and don't wanna answer my Q? It's ok you don't have to get scared and jump into someone else's other situation. Just to inform u on Something, THERE IS freakin no way a SpecV will get a 15.09@ 1/4mile only with CAI, and Exhaust. A STOCK SpecV with a experienced driver can only hit the 1/4mile in 15.5-15.7sec. SO you are actually saying that adding a CAI and exhaust to his SpecV shaved off .5-.7sec off his 1/4mile time.:bs: Come on man Break the news, tell us what it is are you on crack(butt) (smoke). My buddy got a whole new 2003 Motor with his mods and still get's spanked by my 91 MX-6 GT. Quit hating :o on the MS-P, just because it has more potential than any other car out there. FYI: the SpecV has hit:

SpecV:
0-60mph....7.3sec
1/4mile.....15.5sec@89mph


MS-P:
0-60mph....6.5sec
1/4mile......14.9sec@93.2mph


hmmmmm(scratch) (scratch) (thought) let me think about this one if the MS-P runs a 14.9sec 1/4mile and the SpecV runs a 15.5sec, I think the MS-P will smoke a SpecV (Stockvs.Stock). my 91 MX-6GT only has 145Hp turbocharged with 190lb-fts of torque and i still spank him by 2 car lenghs. I'M sure the MS-P will be the same as the MX-6 nor even better.
 
tritonheat1 said:
Seems Like Daemos IS hiding and don't wanna answer my Q? It's ok you don't have to get scared and jump into someone else's other situation. Just to inform u on Something, THERE IS freakin no way a SpecV will get a 15.09@ 1/4mile only with CAI, and Exhaust. A STOCK SpecV with a experienced driver can only hit the 1/4mile in 15.5-15.7sec. SO you are actually saying that adding a CAI and exhaust to his SpecV shaved off .5-.7sec off his 1/4mile time.:bs: Come on man Break the news, tell us what it is are you on crack(butt) (smoke). My buddy got a whole new 2003 Motor with his mods and still get's spanked by my 91 MX-6 GT. Quit hating :o on the MS-P, just because it has more potential than any other car out there. FYI: the SpecV has hit:

SpecV:
0-60mph....7.3sec
1/4mile.....15.5sec@89mph


MS-P:
0-60mph....6.5sec
1/4mile......14.9sec@93.2mph


hmmmmm(scratch) (scratch) (thought) let me think about this one if the MS-P runs a 14.9sec 1/4mile and the SpecV runs a 15.5sec, I think the MS-P will smoke a SpecV (Stockvs.Stock). my 91 MX-6GT only has 145Hp turbocharged with 190lb-fts of torque and i still spank him by 2 car lenghs. I'M sure the MS-P will be the same as the MX-6 nor even better.

Sounds like you don't know about cars...the Spec V gains lots of power after it's broken into. planoSER did 15.09 in the 1/4 mile STOCK :p

those times you posted for the MSP are also the pre-production times.

hmmm seems like you don't know too much about the car you're bashing nor the car you're trying to defending.

What was the question you were asking? I didn't see it.

http://www.b15sentra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29853

those are the 1/4 times for some of the Spec V's on the b15sentra forums. As you can see PlanoSER hit the 1/4 in 15.09 seconds STOCk, so hmmm...what are you trying to say?

most people on the forums are getting 1/4 stock times like 15.2 seconds.

2003s are supposed to be faster, but no one has broken in their engines yet to see the speeds, and take em to the track.

So sorry no the Production MSP won't go the 1/4 mile in 14.9 seconds. Not too sure on the 0-60.

so hmmm sorry stock for stock the MSP performance wise the MSP only gets ahead in handling (and yes it gets VERY far ahead)

and the fastest NA spec v right now hits the 1/4 mile 14.6 seconds with CAI, header, exhaust and springs. (which I corrected my self before if you decided to read)

your friend :new motor well that's smart to race in...it's not broken in -.-; moron, probally doesn't know how to drive properly either.

FYI: My friend who works on RX7s all day..says the MSP is a sad attempt by mazda he says they should of atleast strengthed the engine. He says...potential...not much...still good enough for a protege heh...he says the sentra though has quite a bit more potential...but they still bow down to RX7s :p
 
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i beleive you... some what!

the rotary engine doesnt "need" boost really. there have been many technological advances recently on that engine. they have found out how to make better apex seals, the lining of the combustion chamber, better fuel injection, and the exhaust has a refined catalytic with a seperate chamber to burn off excess gas to reduce hydrocarbons.

with a 1.7 two rotor cranks out around 220hp. i will agree that turbo certainly helps! i am not sure of the vaccum of the rotary. but you get a more refined torque curve and less vibration then you do with a piston engine, do to the amount of power strokes.

as far as a spec v keeping up with an RX-7 in the twisties... i dont know! but since i havent seen it yet, things are possible..... but like you said, tweaking the RX-7 suspension...... yeah very scary!
 
colin949 said:
don't believe everyting you hear from your friends, your friend doesn't know diddly shiot

Probally knows alot more than you..espically when he's getting his own shop, his parents own a shop, and HE specilizes in mazda tuning. But RX7s are his main love because he has Rx7.

So he would probally know alot more than most of us on this board, about tuning etc.

Probally still not more than a mazda engineer though.
 

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