boostisgood
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Anyone know if the SPort20 has the city running lights in the headlight? I need to know if I need to replace mine with the jspec ones for my conversion. 
City Lights ?
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yea they do..there are a couple guys here with sport 20 conversions..how much do they head lights go for anyway?
boostisgood
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I dont know, guess its something else to ask corksport for =D
you should NOT get jspec headlights because they are unsafe to use in america because the beam pattern is biased towards the left side of the car... reason is people drive on the "wrong" side of the road in japan.. you should instead get espec headlights which have the same appearance as the jspec headlights but they are safe to use and have the proper right side beam pattern bias
this is what happens when you put in jspec headlights...
and in the process you piss off everyone including cops because they think you're driving with your highbeams on... NO aiming will be able to remedy the problem
the correct right hand TRAFFIC headlights should look like this:
there is an overhype of getting JDM headlights due to this ignorance... therefore no parts importer carries the SAFE espec headlights... in fact they probably give you the "are you stupid" look when you ask them about it.... so I've put together a part # list for people interested in true appearance and PERFORMANCE headlight upgrades and not care about paying for brand new parts...
city lights are the parking lights used anywhere else in the world... they MUST be white and can be inserted into the headlight housing (the sport20 lights are like that) or can be installed externally as "side lights" (the 323 sedan is like that)... parking lights must not be double used with the turn signals like cars do in america, they must be separate and WHITE... for the correct appearance and better look, the turn signal parking lights must be disabled and those bulbs should be converted to turn signal use only
this is what happens when you put in jspec headlights...
and in the process you piss off everyone including cops because they think you're driving with your highbeams on... NO aiming will be able to remedy the problem
the correct right hand TRAFFIC headlights should look like this:
there is an overhype of getting JDM headlights due to this ignorance... therefore no parts importer carries the SAFE espec headlights... in fact they probably give you the "are you stupid" look when you ask them about it.... so I've put together a part # list for people interested in true appearance and PERFORMANCE headlight upgrades and not care about paying for brand new parts...
city lights are the parking lights used anywhere else in the world... they MUST be white and can be inserted into the headlight housing (the sport20 lights are like that) or can be installed externally as "side lights" (the 323 sedan is like that)... parking lights must not be double used with the turn signals like cars do in america, they must be separate and WHITE... for the correct appearance and better look, the turn signal parking lights must be disabled and those bulbs should be converted to turn signal use only
boostisgood
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Thanks for the info, but I need the JDM ones for my conversion.
boostisgood
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hrrrmm, Ok ill check out the EDMS, but i was not going to plan on driving with the JDM ones in, I wouldnt want to scratch them lol. Thanks again bro. BTW, do you have any pics of the interior/exterior of the Sport20 sedan? Im converting my MSP to one.
didn't I say NO aiming can correct it? ECE beam patterns are ASYMETRIC, this is *not* DOT beam pattern where it is just a blob of light people!
beam pattern has nothing to do with aiming
the pics prove more than enough that simple physics and geometry does NOT allow anything to be done to "flip" the beam pattern around without physical changes to the headlight reflector unit
beam pattern has nothing to do with aiming
the pics prove more than enough that simple physics and geometry does NOT allow anything to be done to "flip" the beam pattern around without physical changes to the headlight reflector unit
i dissagree, thats the way the bulb was put in there.. becuz i can take mine out rotate the bulbe upside down and they'll point in the other direction. the alighment screws allow you to aim left right and up and down.
Im sorry but i disagree. The only way it would be able to angle like that is if the relections off the chrome on the inside was angled that way. if this is what your talking about then my bad.
Im sorry but i disagree. The only way it would be able to angle like that is if the relections off the chrome on the inside was angled that way. if this is what your talking about then my bad.
jump up and down and disagree all you want... you cannot argue physics... the light bulb can be turned around anywhere you want... you will 1) not get any safe or desired beam pattern 2) headlight bulbs are axial filaments designed to output light at a certain plane in order for the reflector to perform its job properly, misalignment of the filament will result in ****** up beam pattern (this include not properly mounting the light bulb... results include light that look like high beams)... the reflector design (yes, the big huge chrome shaped thing that makes up most of the space of the headlight) is a HUGE mirror that focuses light to a certain geometric point... it is PHYSICALLY cast in place... it CANNOT be modified
reaiming them will simply move the light LEFT and RIGHT... ECE lighting have a FLAT cut off at the opposite traffic side of the headlight beam pattern and then steps up or slopes up past the axis/hot spot of the headlight
explain how reaiming can change that
don't believe all you want... I'm not wasting more time with this thread... here read this from a headlight EXPERT who I personally know that he knows more about this s*** than neither you or I know... and yes I know more about what I'm talking about, no offense but you don't.. please stop spreading BS ignorance
http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/lights/codes/codes.html
and from the regulators themselves... The United Nations Economic Commission for Europe
regulation 8 for H1,H2,H3,HB3,HB4,H7,H8,H9,HIR1,HIR2, H11 headlights in legible PDF format complete with regulations and engineering specs:
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r008r4e.pdf
regulation 20 for H4 headlights in legible PDF format also: http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r020r2e_1.pdf
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r020r2e_2.pdf
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r020r2e_3.pdf
regulation 98 for HID headlights in legible PDF format also:
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r098e_1.pdf
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r098e_2.pdf
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r098e_3.pdf
now go educate yourself
reaiming them will simply move the light LEFT and RIGHT... ECE lighting have a FLAT cut off at the opposite traffic side of the headlight beam pattern and then steps up or slopes up past the axis/hot spot of the headlight
explain how reaiming can change that
don't believe all you want... I'm not wasting more time with this thread... here read this from a headlight EXPERT who I personally know that he knows more about this s*** than neither you or I know... and yes I know more about what I'm talking about, no offense but you don't.. please stop spreading BS ignorance
http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/lights/codes/codes.html
and from the regulators themselves... The United Nations Economic Commission for Europe
regulation 8 for H1,H2,H3,HB3,HB4,H7,H8,H9,HIR1,HIR2, H11 headlights in legible PDF format complete with regulations and engineering specs:
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r008r4e.pdf
regulation 20 for H4 headlights in legible PDF format also: http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r020r2e_1.pdf
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r020r2e_2.pdf
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r020r2e_3.pdf
regulation 98 for HID headlights in legible PDF format also:
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r098e_1.pdf
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r098e_2.pdf
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r098e_3.pdf
now go educate yourself
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well...I guess we got THAT settled....and just in case you were wondering, and even if you weren't. Ryan, Edwin (TheMan) did all this research some time ago and did the Espec conversion to his car.....you should see the difference it makes....you get espec lights in your car...and its amazing how much better you can see...
get JDM ones...and you won't be able to see crap....but the oncomming traffic will be able to see your lights...but that is about it as they will be "BLINDED BY THE LIGHTS"
get JDM ones...and you won't be able to see crap....but the oncomming traffic will be able to see your lights...but that is about it as they will be "BLINDED BY THE LIGHTS"
hehe, i disagree'd at first becuz i wasn't certian as to what he was talking about.. and if he was talkign about what i was.. then i was dissagreeing but he clearified what he was talking about.. so i agreed 
.. id like to know what he baught and were it'd be cool.
.. id like to know what he baught and were it'd be cool.My JDM Sport 20 headlights have the city light inside the high-beam housing. Mine is the '99 model Sport20 tho. http://www.cardomain.com/id/sport20 Yes mine are JDM but I havent had anyone flash their lights at me thinking I had my highs on. TheMAN knows his stuff...he's Mr.Research...everyone needs to remember that. And I haven't done the mod of turning the US parking lights off just cause cops are a-holes around here.
