Catless dp

noise, emissions, and I cant say this from experience, but I've heard lots about how people have had smoking turbo issues, and oh yeah...possibly warranty issues if you have to worry about that
 
Having both catless, I'm not sure but with just the downpipe it shouldn't be too loud. I can't complain about mine, but I also don't have to worry about emissions.
 
What issues could i possibly run into with a catless downpipe and racepipe?

What kind of issues are you thinking about? There are endless possible "issues" to consider, most of which mean nothing to me but might to someone else.

Maybe it would help to know if you are in an emission test state.

Maybe it would help to know whether you need your warranty.

Maybe it would help to know whether you intend to do the install yourself or will you be having a shop do it.

Maybe it would help to know what other mods you already have.

Maybe it would help to know how quiet or loud you want your exhaust.

Maybe it would help to know whether you have or are concerned about exhaust drone while cruising.

Maybe it would help to know whether you are concerned about the so-called "smoking turbo" threads.

Maybe it would help to know whether you know what a catch can is and can install one.

There are many, many possible "issues." I'd love to help you , but you might want to give us some kind of clue as to what you are thinking and what you are expecting from this mod.
 
What kind of issues are you thinking about? There are endless possible "issues" to consider, most of which mean nothing to me but might to someone else.

Maybe it would help to know if you are in an emission test state.

Maybe it would help to know whether you need your warranty.

Maybe it would help to know whether you intend to do the install yourself or will you be having a shop do it.

Maybe it would help to know what other mods you already have.

Maybe it would help to know how quiet or loud you want your exhaust.

Maybe it would help to know whether you have or are concerned about exhaust drone while cruising.

Maybe it would help to know whether you are concerned about the so-called "smoking turbo" threads.

Maybe it would help to know whether you know what a catch can is and can install one.

There are many, many possible "issues." I'd love to help you , but you might want to give us some kind of clue as to what you are thinking and what you are expecting from this mod.

I have no other mods, but I was wondering if there was anything else I'd need to do in order to run a downpipe safely. Another question I had was is it possible to just run the racepipe without the downpipe mated to a aftermarket cbe? I just purchased the HKS Hipower one for the mazdaspeed3.
 
It's not that noisy...I have a Corksport catless downpipe and catless test pipe and it's not bad in the noise department. No droning or anything like that. Sounds really good at WOT. Good amount of extra power, too. Only thing I would really worry about is the slight increase in boost may overwork your fuel pump, so you might get boost/fuel cut. I'd look into getting some upgraded fuel pump internals to ward that off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vejJyBejvc
 
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You are wasting your money with an aftermarket DP unless you also address the intake side. You need a good CAI or SRI. I prefer the CAI approach. With this mod on the intake side you'll pick up a solid 15 whp or so. The restrictions in the stock airbox will prevent you getting enough flow to benefit from the aftermarket DP.

On the exhaust side, you need to decide whether to go catless. That's why I asked the question about whether you have to be sniffer tested.

DP install is not for someone without at least mid-level experience with exhaust system mods. There are threads on this. You need the right hand tools and know how to use them. You really need access to a lift to do it right. And you need know your way around the tight quarters involved in getting to and removing the nuts on the turbo exhaust outlet studs. You have work under the hood with the IC removed, and under the car. If you have doubts, let a good performance shop do this.

RP will replace the second cat and will help a little, but the real restriction is the restricive OEM DP and both cats.

The stock ECU will protect you with either boost cut or fuel cut if it senses danger. You do not need a tune to run a catted or catless DP/RP

Aftermarket CBE is a waste of money if you are expecting a performance gain unless and until you get your power north of 300 whp. Typically, you will see no gain with aftermarket CBE unless you go with a bigger turbo and a custom tune. Until you reach that level of mods and power, aftermarket CBE is just to change the sound. The stock CBE has excellent straight through design and will flow better than the turbo can pump air and exhaust.

The catless DP/RP was noticably louder and made the 60 mph drone worse. I fixed this by staying with the stock CBE and adding a third reso (3 inch) in the middle of the RP. It is now as quiet or more quiet than stock.

This combo really shines in the 60-110 mph range (third, fourth and fifth gear). I can consistently hit 60-100 mph in the range of 6.5-6.7 seconds, with quarter mile times at 13.5 (one 13.4) at 107-108, in good track conditions. This morning on the way to work, I got 6.54 seconds 60-100 mph by digital stopwatch, and 6.48 by accelerometer (GTech Pro RR).

Go to Road and Track's web site and check the posted times for 60-100 mph for other vehicles and you'll see how these mods compare. I use this for mod comparisons and tuning. By 60 mph you are hooked up and not dealing with all the variables in launch that can make data repeatability very difficult and frustrating in getting a good launch on a high hp fwd car, and less wear and tear on the drive train.

You will probably have a check engine light if you go catless. Just go to some place like Autozone and verify that the code number corresponds to running catless, and enjoy.

Finally, do not, I repeat, do not jump on board with the BOV crowd, especially avoid venting to atmosphere. That will cost you power. Unless you know your stock BPV is actually leaking, do the intake and exhaust mods first, and then, if you think you BPV is not holding boost in the higher gears, get an aftermarket BPV or an BOV that will run in full recirc and run it that way. Our MAF sensor needs recirc mode to send the proper air/fuel mixture signal to the ECU.

Fix your intake first, then go catless DP/RP. Just my opinion.
 
Well, all good advice but I have to say from my own experience, I ran my 07' MS3 with a catless DP/RP, nano SRI, turbo inlet pipe, forge bpv, rear mm, etc... and had no smoking turbo, no CEL's, Emissions (in CA. are strict) but people who spend time modding their car sometimes do things that aren't alway's "legal" to the letter of the law. My car was a beast with the DP/RP. I did get some boost cut in cold weather. Nothing is perfect when you start changing the stock ECU map numbers with your car. It can be done with diligence but you need to haave some knowledge of what your doing (more is better in this case.) You have to be willing to put in the time and patience, oh and ($$$) haha, to make it happen. I don't agree it's a waste of money, to who? (Not me.) I went a different route after doing the DP/RP but I'm glad to have experienced it. This is how you learn what your car is capable of and how far you want/or can afford to go with it. I agree with everything said in the responses, just saying there is never a blanket statement that covers everyone. People who jump on the band wagon and get caught up in the frenzy of buying aftermarket parts is one thing but people who really enjoy the tuning experience are completely different, so I don't believe in the 1 statement re: a waste of money. Don't forget we all ***** our parts out after we're done with them, so it isn't a total loss. What the hell they're only parts, they come and go... I say go for it, have some fun and figure out what you like and don't like and sooner or later you'll have a ride your happy with, maybe. I'm an "old guy" and have been doing this for a long time so for me it's bit of a hobby/obsession. The way I see it, I could have much worse habits than this one... (yes)(yes)(encourage
 
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