Can Toyo A36s really wear this fast!?

Which Firestone’s you go with?

My wife’s OEM Yokohama Geolanders on her CX9 got almost 60k on them when they were at the 3/32 mark and we replaced them with Bridgestone alenza ultras.
If I want name-brand SUV Touring or Grand Touring tires for my CX-5, Continental CrossContact LX25 or General AltiMAX RT43 would be my choice as they’re 2 favorites by many forum members here. Plenty of info here for 225/55R19 tires:

P225/65R17 for Northern California weather and Short commutes
 
It appears that I'll be the only A36 turd floating in this punchbowl. My daughter's 2019 GT AWD went 38,500K miles on the factory Toyos, and could have probably done another 2-3K additional non-Winter miles, if the timing had been right for that. The A36 is $149+20 install per tire at BJs (box store for those not familiar with it), which was quite a bit less than all of the higher rated tires they sell. So at that price, and with no drivability/noise issues with the factory tires, I had no problem going with another set of A36 in November.

No idea why our experience with these tires was positive, when so many other owners have reported such poor results. FWIW I keep the tires properly inflated, and my daughter is an 'easy' driver - no fast starts or hard stops. But I'm sure that some of the folks having bad outcomes with the A36 drive like that as well. I expect this will probably just be another one of those unsolved mysteries.
 
It appears that I'll be the only A36 turd.
I don’t dislike my Toyo A23’s, and mine lasted 44,032 miles. I keep the tire pressure at 3 psi more than recommended at 39 psi cold, and checked the tire pressure often and rotated them at 5,000 ~ 7,500 miles. One thing I noticed is that the tread depth of my Toyo’s are only 9/32” when they’re new, not the 10/32“ as expected.


I expect this will probably just be another one of those unsolved mysteries.
IMO, OE tires are different from those for sale on the market even with the same brand and model name. Sometimes there’s additional suffix on model name to distinguish the difference, sometimes there’s not. For example, one of the OE tires on CX-9 is Yokohama® Geolandar H/T G056B P255/60R18 107H SL with “280 B A” UTQG; but on market there’s Yokohama® Geolandar H/T G056 255/60R18 112V XL with “720 A A” which is a much better tire than stock tire even though it carries the same model name less a “B”.

Remember a couple of years ago many CX-5 owners with Toyo A36’s were complaining the vibration at highway speed. The road force balance made by some verified these Toyo tires are out of round. I believe the poor quality control by Toyo is the culprit, the same reason which causes the inconsistency on tread life from these stock Toyo tires.
 
.... I believe the poor quality control by Toyo is the culprit, the same reason which causes the inconsistency on tread life from these stock Toyo tires.
Certainly could be a possibility. The new set of A36 is quiet, with no new vibrations. Time will tell if the durability is similar to what we got from the factory tires.
 
I never checked the tread depth, but our OEM's still had plenty of tread left at 18k miles. I never rotated them, since I couldn't wait to get rid of them. I finally gave up and bought some CC2's and couldn't be happier.
 
I never checked the tread depth, but our OEM's still had plenty of tread left at 18k miles. I never rotated them, since I couldn't wait to get rid of them. I finally gave up and bought some CC2's and couldn't be happier.
Michelin CrossClimate² 225/55R19 is one of the most expensive tires for CX-5. I can never get by its “640 B A” UTQG, the “B” rating on traction for such an expensive tire, so as the weird looks on tread pattern. Of curse I don’t need paying extra for good winter performance living in Dallas area.
 
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Michelin CrossClimate² 225/55R19 is one of the most expensive tires for CX-5. I can never get by its “640 B A” UTQG, the “B” rating on traction for such a expensive tire, so as the weird looks on tread pattern. Of curse I don’t need any winter performance living in Dallas area.
Yeah, that's why we have choices. From experience, they have way better wet traction on our CX-5 than the junk OEM's.
 
Check the treadwear rating on your tire, if it is around 300 or below, then it is normal for them to wear pretty fast.

Also, OEM tires are often different from aftermarket tires even if they have the same model name. So your toyo’s could show a 700 treadwear rating online, but only have a 280 treadwear rating when installed from factory.

 
Yeah, I also had no complaints with the OEM tires on my 2018 GT. If not for this forum, it would never have occurred to me to question them.

I swap in Winter tires, and that's the only rotation they get. I haven't bothered to keep track of how much of my 42K miles are on which tires. Probably around 70/30 % or maybe a little closer. So maybe 30K on my OEMs. They are probably good for another "year", although I've noticed this fall that the wet traction isn't as good as before. So I may replace them if I see a good opportunity or get interested in it.
 
⋯ So I may replace them if I see a good opportunity or get interested in it.
Yeah this’s the key. Plan ahead since tires are so expensive nowadays. Over $1,000 for a set of good new tires is common. Watch for Flash Sale on Discount Tire (Direct)、Costco’s Instant Saving、in addition to manufacture rebate, and buy tires you prefer even if you don’t have immediate need.

One member here recently got America’s Tire (Discount Tire in Bay Area) matched Costco’s price with $150 Instant Saving on Bridgestone Alenza AS Ultra 225/65R17 102H tires, then applied $120 manufacture rebate. The final cost is only $480 with installation and tax!

P225/65R17 for Northern California weather and Short commutes
 
... I can never get by its “640 B A” UTQG, the “B” rating on traction for such an expensive tire ...
As I understand it, the rating system measures wet traction with a "locked" tire whereas modern vehicles have ABS and Michelin has optimized their tire to better performance in the real world with a non skidding tire still turning due to ABS even though they're catching a hit on the rating.

And that ^^ is one long sentence lol 😊
 
As I understand it, the rating system measures wet traction with a "locked" tire whereas modern vehicles have ABS and Michelin has optimized their tire to better performance in the real world with a non skidding tire still turning due to ABS even though they're catching a hit on the rating.

And that ^^ is one long sentence lol 😊
But my point is still even if Michelin has optimized their tire to better performance in the real world and getting a hit on the rating, why other high-priced Michelin tires (Premier LTX、Primacy Tour A/S、etc.) can get “A” rating on UTQG traction, but CrossClimate² can’t?
 
So, at the end of the day, it appears that there isn't actually any unusually fast wear on your oem toyo's but rather a suspected maintenance deficiency ... Tires likely were not rotated when you thought they were.

Based on 5/32 up front and 8/32 on rear (now flipped) you should be on schedule to get another 15+k miles out of them which would put you into the 30's k miles. I would call that normal for oem toyo's, especially considering your driving environment (mostly city/urban).

I replaced my oem toyo's with the conti lx25's and think they are a far superior tire. You'd be very happy with them.
 
⋯ Based on 5/32 up front and 8/32 on rear (now flipped) you should be on schedule to get another 15+k miles out of them which would put you into the 30's k miles. I would call that normal for oem toyo's, especially considering your driving environment (mostly city/urban).
And may not need any more tire rotation to balance the current difference on tread depth between front and rear ⋯ ;)

With “300 A A” UTQG rating on Toyo A36, 30,000-mile tread life is expected.
 
Back in 1986, the tires on my IROC-Z were over $1k. Spending that for a good set of tires seems reasonable to me in 2021.
Back in 1980’s, the ads on the newspaper for tires often said $19.99 only for a cheap (and small like 155R13) tire. I bougnt $50 a piece Goodyear tires for my 1974 Chevy Impala which considered as expensive tires.
 
Back in 1980’s, the ads on the newspaper for tires often said $19.99 only for a cheap (and small like 155R13) tire. I bougnt $50 a piece Goodyear tires for my 1974 Chevy Impala which considered as expensive tires.
Yeah, those tube tires were the best! :D
 

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