Can Toyo A36s really wear this fast!?

[Jack Rabbit]

I don’t dislike my Toyo A23’s, and mine lasted 44,032 miles. I keep the tire pressure at 3 psi more than recommended at 39 psi cold, and checked the tire pressure often and rotated them at 5,000 ~ 7,500 miles. One thing I noticed is that the tread depth of my Toyo’s are only 9/32” when they’re new, not the 10/32“ as expected.



IMO, OE tires are different from those for sale on the market even with the same brand and model name. Sometimes there’s additional suffix on model name to distinguish the difference, sometimes there’s not. For example, one of the OE tires on CX-9 is Yokohama® Geolandar H/T G056B P255/60R18 107H SL with “280 B A” UTQG; but on market there’s Yokohama® Geolandar H/T G056 255/60R18 112V XL with “720 A A” which is a much better tire than stock tire even though it carries the same model name less a “B”.

Remember a couple of years ago many CX-5 owners with Toyo A36’s were complaining the vibration at highway speed. The road force balance made by some verified these Toyo tires are out of round. I believe the poor quality control by Toyo is the culprit, the same reason which causes the inconsistency on tread life from these stock Toyo tires.

Either the leasee ran this thing hard, or I got the bad batch you mention above.

2018 CPO @ 17 k miles with Toyo A36 only had 5/32 tread depth on the 225 55r19....
that was measurements per mechanic and tire-shop (before I bought the CX5) to have on record so it wore about 1/32 treadwear per 3,400 miles before my ownership.

In October at about the 20K to 21K mark, replaced with the 17" Nokians.

Pictures show tread-depth at center at just slightly above 3/32 and shoulder at 4/32. Even at the 4/32 to 5/32 mark, the tires were not that grippy on dry roads and way too sloppy in the rain...not worth anyone's life to drive these in wet conditions and no way these would survive a winter.



Definitely don't recommend the OP keep these on car for any longer than has too, unless he lives in a sunny southern/ western desert type local.

What gets me is the dealership wouldn't put on new to make the sale. In this environment it was a "Take it or leave it attitude". Especially since this was a prior lease vehicle then they would perhaps be considered the original owner and should have been able to get these replaced by Toyo for free.

Although Toyo's limited OE warranty disclaimer makes a point to say "Rapid treadwear is excluded". LOL. At my calculations would have to run these down to 1/32 (illegal) to get the full 30 k mileage out of them. What a joke.

Give me Nokians, Firestone or Falkens any day. Even Goodyears weren't this bad(and their Dunlop brand was a great value and quite good back in the day)

I've been able to run Firestones down and still have decent grip at lower tread depths unlike these toyos.

 

[murky]

Either the leasee ran this thing hard, or I got the bad batch you mention above.

2018 CPO @ 17 k miles with Toyo A36 only had 5/32 tread depth on the 225 55r19....
that was measurements per mechanic and tire-shop (before I bought the CX5) to have on record so it wore about 1/32 treadwear per 3,400 miles before my ownership.

In October at about the 20K to 21K mark, replaced with the 17" Nokians.

Pictures show tread-depth at center at just slightly above 3/32 and shoulder at 4/32. Even at the 4/32 to 5/32 mark, the tires were not that grippy on dry roads and way too sloppy in the rain...not worth anyone's life to drive these in wet conditions and no way these would survive a winter.

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Definitely don't recommend the OP keep these on car for any longer than has too, unless he lives in a sunny southern/ western desert type local.

What gets me is the dealership wouldn't put on new to make the sale. In this environment it was a "Take it or leave it attitude". Especially since this was a prior lease vehicle then they would perhaps be considered the original owner and should have been able to get these replaced by Toyo for free.

Although Toyo's limited OE warranty disclaimer makes a point to say "Rapid treadwear is excluded". LOL. At my calculations would have to run these down to 1/32 (illegal) to get the full 30 k mileage out of them. What a joke.

Give me Nokians, Firestone or Falkens any day. Even Goodyears weren't this bad(and their Dunlop brand was a great value and quite good back in the day)

I've been able to run Firestones down and still have decent grip at lower tread depths unlike these toyos.

Mine look similar, although more miles on them. And I've also noticed, just recently, that the traction is significantly poorer. Otherwise I hadn't had any complaints with the OEM 19" tires on my 2018 GT.

I may be close to the 30K. My odometer is almost 42K and I switch to winter tires in late November until early March. I'll plan on getting some new tires when I find a deal. I'd considered driving them another warm season, but agree with you that it's not worth the risk, even if slight.

 

[Old-man-carl]

i'm at about 4-5 mm here in MN on the factory 19" A36 with 13k miles. they're downright dangerous with a little bit of snow on the roads. Got some time off, i'll do some research and hope to find a deal soon. I have the aforementioned General AltiMAX RT43 on the CX7 and i wouldn't hesitate to put the same on my CX5 if the price is right again.

 

[DG_1234]

I've had stock Toyo's on a brand new 2016 CX-5 (17") and a brand new 2019 CX-5 (19"). Those tires performed well and each still had significant tread at 30,000 miles.

 

[yrwei52]

I've had stock Toyo's on a brand new 2016 CX-5 (17") and a brand new 2019 CX-5 (19"). Those tires performed well and each still had significant tread at 30,000 miles.

The stock 17” tire on CX-5 is Yokohama Geolandar G91A P225/65R17 100H with “280 B A” UTQG.

The stock 19” tire on CX-5 is Toyo A23 (gen-1) or A36 (gen-2) 225/55R19 99V with “300 A A” UTQG.

 

[Jack Rabbit]

The stock 17” tire on CX-5 is Yokohama Geolandar G91A P225/65R17 100H with “280 B A” UTQG.

The stock 19” tire on CX-5 is Toyo A23 (gen-1) or A36 (gen-2) 225/55R19 99V with “300 A A” UTQG.

Seems to me the A36 are the fast wearing ones. Must have been a defective batch... Poor tread life and substandard traction, especially on wet roads. And downright dangerous on snow.

 

[murky]

Seems to me the A36 are the fast wearing ones. Must have been a defective batch... Poor tread life and substandard traction, especially on wet roads. And downright dangerous on snow.

I didn't have any concern on wet roads until this past fall, as the tread started getting low.

 

[ColoradoDriver]

The stock 17” tire on CX-5 is Yokohama Geolandar G91A P225/65R17 100H with “280 B A” UTQG.

The stock 19” tire on CX-5 is Toyo A23 (gen-1) or A36 (gen-2) 225/55R19 99V with “300 A A” UTQG.

I replaced my factory Yoko's at 18.5k miles when one of them developed sidewall bubbles. Honestly good riddance for those tires.

 

[Unobtanium]

Just dropped my car of for oil change at dealership. They took measurements on the tires and my front tires are at 4/32 tread. It is quite shocking because my car JUST hit 15,100 miles.

That seems like an obscenely short life! Am I crazy or should I be contacting Mazda corporate for replacement under warranty?

Yes, they are trash. AT 17K miles mine were at 4.5/32. Pure trash. My replacement tires lasted about 50K miles for reference---It wasn't ME. Nor did the car even need or get a realignment with the install!

 

[DennisT]

All good info on this thread. I just returned from dealer's oil change on our 2019 CX-5 with 21,500 miles on the clock. I had asked them to look into a, "fluttering," noise when driving that began several months ago. It wasn't making sense to me; tires looked to have modest tread left. This is 4th oil change at dealer and they, "said," they rotated tires every time.
So Mechanic comes back and says all my tires are sitting at 3/32nd. wear; WA state legal down to 2/32th. And, worse he said, all had, "cupping," which was the noise I'd been hearing. Said I should replace all the tires. I've been around cupping years ago, I know what he's talking about. And I believe his report. Mine are the now-known-to-be-notorious Toyo A36 tires. We're retired, limited budget and overly cautious drivers on largely rural roads. We'll stretch it's legs when our car is on the freeway, but otherwise our CX-5 lives a really cushy life. What really left me PO'd, was that while I know new cars come with cheaper tires, these dying at 21,500 miles was something I did not expect. Not happy. Now, reading this thread, I realize I misplaced my faith in Mazda's attitude about quality. So off I go to shop for tires. Dealer sells tires too, but I doubt I'd want to give them my money, no matter their prices. Thanks again for this thread.

 

[Sig cx-5]

.... Now, reading this thread, I realize I misplaced my faith in Mazda's attitude about quality. ...

All OEM tires are crap! This is not a Mazda exclusive.

 

[Tchman2016]

OEM tires are not the car manufacturers fault. They are ALL crap from every brand. First thing I do is swap tires within 10k miles to REAL tires.

 

[yrwei52]

All good info on this thread. I just returned from dealer's oil change on our 2019 CX-5 with 21,500 miles on the clock. I had asked them to look into a, "fluttering," noise when driving that began several months ago. It wasn't making sense to me; tires looked to have modest tread left. This is 4th oil change at dealer and they, "said," they rotated tires every time.
So Mechanic comes back and says all my tires are sitting at 3/32nd. wear; WA state legal down to 2/32th. And, worse he said, all had, "cupping," which was the noise I'd been hearing. Said I should replace all the tires. I've been around cupping years ago, I know what he's talking about. And I believe his report. Mine are the now-known-to-be-notorious Toyo A36 tires. We're retired, limited budget and overly cautious drivers on largely rural roads. We'll stretch it's legs when our car is on the freeway, but otherwise our CX-5 lives a really cushy life. What really left me PO'd, was that while I know new cars come with cheaper tires, these dying at 21,500 miles was something I did not expect. Not happy. Now, reading this thread, I realize I misplaced my faith in Mazda's attitude about quality. So off I go to shop for tires. Dealer sells tires too, but I doubt I'd want to give them my money, no matter their prices. Thanks again for this thread.

Time to shop 225/55R19 tires? See post #21 earlier in this thread. And Discount Tire is the place you should go (price match) before you did the research on price for the tire you’re interested.

My stock Toyo A23’s lasted 44,032 miles and I have no complaints on these. But if they lasted only 21,500 miles, I’d be disappointed too.

BTW, have you actually moved your hand on the tread yourself to feel any cuppings? And have you measured the tread depth by yourself, or have you had a tire shop such as Discount Tire Store checked the tread depth and tire condition for you?

 

[Jack Rabbit]

Time to shop 225/55R19 tires? See post #21 earlier in this thread. And Discount Tire is the place you should go (price match) before you did the research on price for the tire you’re interested.

My stock Toyo A23’s lasted 44,032 miles and I have no complaints on these. But if they lasted only 21,500 miles, I’d be disappointed too.

BTW, have you actually moved your hand on the tread yourself to feel any cuppings? And have you measured the tread depth by yourself, or have you had a tire shop such as Discount Tire Store checked the tread depth and tire condition for you?

Seems like the problem is the A36 and not the A23. Like in my previous post , the A36 wear fast and are flat out dangerous once they get down to 5/32 tread depth.

Discount tire and Tire rack have some great deals ... However I'm lucky to have a local tire shop that has decent pricing and great customer service.

 

[yrwei52]

Seems like the problem is the A36 and not the A23. Like in my previous post , the A36 wear fast and are flat out dangerous once they get down to 5/32 tread depth.

Discount tire and Tire rack have some great deals ... However I'm lucky to have a local tire shop that has decent pricing and great customer service.

Continental CrossContact LX25 225/55R19 99V, General AltiMAX RT43 225/55R19 99H are two forum member’s favorites for CX-5 with pretty good reviews. Of course you can choose any tires you prefer and tires are getting very expensive nowadays.

 

[Chas]

I know this is about CX-5 tires, but I have to say that I leased a Mazda6 Touring equipped with the Dunlop SP Sport 5000 tires. The leasing company charged me $400 for excess tire wear. The car had less than 19000 miles on it. These OEM tires are never that great in my experience over the years.

We hope the Toyos on our 21 CX-5 last a little longer....

 

[Unobtanium]

Having had LX25 and CC2 and Altimax RT43, the CC2 is the better tire, followed by LX25.

 

[Hal A.]

The stock 17” tire on CX-5 is Yokohama Geolandar G91A P225/65R17 100H with “280 B A” UTQG.

The stock 19” tire on CX-5 is Toyo A23 (gen-1) or A36 (gen-2) 225/55R19 99V with “300 A A” UTQG.

Remember that each tire company assigns the UTQG tread wear rating to their tires. There is no separate testing organization assigning the ratings. Generally tires rated 300 will have similar wear tendencies but not always. One companies 300 rated tire could outlast another companies 400 rated tire. So take the UTQG ratings with a grain of salt.

“First you have to understand the limitations of the treadwear ratings information. While the UTQG treadwear rating is mandated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration*, and the testing process is supposed to be the same for all manufacturers, the NHTSA does not test tires and assign the ratings. Rather, it's the tire manufacturers' duty to conduct (or commission) the testing.

This means that UTQG treadwear ratings are not established by an objective testing organization, or according to a universal ratings scale. A "400" treadwear rating from Tire Manufacturer A doesn't necessarily equal a "400" treadwear rating from Tire Manufacturer B; the mileage lifespan of the two tires under equal driving conditions could be quite different.”

 

[yrwei52]

Remember that each tire company assigns the UTQG tread wear rating to their tires. There is no separate testing organization assigning the ratings. Generally tires rated 300 will have similar wear tendencies but not always. One companies 300 rated tire could outlast another companies 400 rated tire. So take the UTQG ratings with a grain of salt.

“First you have to understand the limitations of the treadwear ratings information. While the UTQG treadwear rating is mandated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration*, and the testing process is supposed to be the same for all manufacturers, the NHTSA does not test tires and assign the ratings. Rather, it's the tire manufacturers' duty to conduct (or commission) the testing.

This means that UTQG treadwear ratings are not established by an objective testing organization, or according to a universal ratings scale. A "400" treadwear rating from Tire Manufacturer A doesn't necessarily equal a "400" treadwear rating from Tire Manufacturer B; the mileage lifespan of the two tires under equal driving conditions could be quite different.”

Yes, I understand how the UTQG been resulted. But since the UTQG ratings are mandated by NHTSA, and “the testing process is supposed to be the same for all manufacturers”, the ratings are relatively useful for easy comparison between different tires. As for UTQG treadwear rating, based on my many years experience, 200 rated tire usually gets roughly 20,000 miles of tread life; 300 rated tire usually gets 30,000 miles; etc.

The EPA fuel economy ratings are also been performed by car manufactures themselves, would you still use EPA ratings for fuel economy comparison between different cars?

 

[arcamm]

I just picked up a 2020 CPO GT with 16K miles last week. I noticed on the ride home the tires were making faint thumping noise. I checked the tread depth one one tire an it was 5/32 so new tires are on the budget list. They are Toyo A36 19". I was ready to replace them the next day, but I looked at 19" tire prices and figured I would wait a bit. I only measured one tire in one spot, so now I'll do some more measurements.