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CAI causing fans to come on?
- Thread starter brett02
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- 03 Protege ES 5spd
Do you have the AC on? the car idles up alittle when the compressor kicks on, might be whats causing it. I dont use my AC that much, but it seems like mine does it too. I'll check when i leave today.
Yes the a/c is on, but I do not think that the fans ever kicked on like that with the factory intake on the car. Its strange that the fans kick on and off many times, even within a minute. Sometimes the fan will kick on then off and before the fan even stops spinning it kicks on again.
Well could you give us a setup on what the conditions are when the fan acts this way?
Are you just sitting in your driveway or are you driving at certain speed? Are you stuck in stop and go traffic? Is your temperature gauge staying at slightly below half? Which fan is going on and off (from the front of the car facing the engine the left or right fan)? Do you have enough coolant or have any leaks?
It is possible you are mistaking intake rattling with fan noise? I know that the VTCS work up to 3,000 rpm or till the car is warm. If the elbow of the intake is not rubber going from the throttle to the intake it can contact the brake reservoir. If you have stock motor mounts the motor can move quite a bit. I know that if you have a CAI and it goes into your wheel well that the intake can hit the hole sides. I cut a rubber hose down the middle and used it to line the hole to keep vibration down (INJEN style).
Are you just sitting in your driveway or are you driving at certain speed? Are you stuck in stop and go traffic? Is your temperature gauge staying at slightly below half? Which fan is going on and off (from the front of the car facing the engine the left or right fan)? Do you have enough coolant or have any leaks?
It is possible you are mistaking intake rattling with fan noise? I know that the VTCS work up to 3,000 rpm or till the car is warm. If the elbow of the intake is not rubber going from the throttle to the intake it can contact the brake reservoir. If you have stock motor mounts the motor can move quite a bit. I know that if you have a CAI and it goes into your wheel well that the intake can hit the hole sides. I cut a rubber hose down the middle and used it to line the hole to keep vibration down (INJEN style).
mp3-79bronco
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- 2001 protege mp3
LOL when you have the ac on both fans automatically come on......your cai could never possibly make your fans come on
drgnzadiel101
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- 2002 mazda protege5
best way to solve this is the video tape it and upload it so we can see/hear (somewhat) what it may be. i highly doubt your cai is doing it though
have you done ANY thinking at all?Ok, I can see that, but the fans kick on everytime that it makes this "sucking" sound? Any thoughts on that?
first off you already said that you run the A/C
what does A/C do to a car and what does every die hard hot rodder talk about? REMOVING THE A/C
WHY?
running A/C "sucks" power
so what happens when you turn on the A/C? it "sucks" power and bogs down the engine
so what does the computer have to do to keep the engine from stalling out? kick up the idle with the IAC valve to do that... and by just that statement alone, you would've figured out that the IAC valve has something to do with the idle... and what makes an engine run? fuel, spark, air... what does your intake do? provide air... what is the noises you hear? AIR! you need more air, more fuel, more spark just to get more power and more RPMs, it's simple physics as well as something that can be logically deduced
so go ahead and get pissed off at me or yourself for not giving anything some thought and panicking over something so trivial, especially since I told you it's normal
it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out a lot of things you know... all it takes is THINKING and putting 2 and 2 together
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my bad
but this thread is giving me a good clue about his information skills
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123747806
but this thread is giving me a good clue about his information skills
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123747806
Ok ok, you guys are taking this WAY out of hand. I am not stupid. Let me re-phrase, sorry I did not do this the first time. This is just because I find it strange and you all have helped in the past and I learn a lot by reading your posts and how to's. In fact they just helped me change the belts, yes I did it.
The car is sitting idle, in park with the ac on. I understand that I am turning on an accessory item and that it will bog the engine down. The fan that comes on is on the left when standing in front of the car. I know that a intake makes a sucking, wow, it is making an abrupt and loud one, like it is taking a deep breath, I do not know how else to explain it. The intake is bringing air into the throttle body but every now and then it just sucks a little harder. WHEN it does this the fan kicks on, cools things down, then the intake does it again and the fan kicks on again, even before it stops spinning from cooloing down the first time. It repeats sitting still. I have plenty of coolant in the car, no leaks. Maybe I will try and get a video up, if you think it will be more helpful.
It is not a rattling sound that is happening, this is a Vibrant short ram, wanted to by the Injen, but did not have the money at the time, the Vibrant was really cheap buying it at the WD I work for. It has a silicone sleeve on the throttle body, in fact I just changed it because the old one cracked somehow, Vibrant sent me a new one.
If no one else has seen this, then I guess it is just something that happens and my car is just weird.
Maybe I have a vaccum leak somewhere beyond the intake that is causing the intake to do this, maybe it is that I still have an idle issue when in drive, car seems to kick, but I need to seafoam it and clean my maf and egr still. Recently replaced coils, wires and plugs as well. Are there any other common vaccum leaks other than the factory intake breaking?
The car is sitting idle, in park with the ac on. I understand that I am turning on an accessory item and that it will bog the engine down. The fan that comes on is on the left when standing in front of the car. I know that a intake makes a sucking, wow, it is making an abrupt and loud one, like it is taking a deep breath, I do not know how else to explain it. The intake is bringing air into the throttle body but every now and then it just sucks a little harder. WHEN it does this the fan kicks on, cools things down, then the intake does it again and the fan kicks on again, even before it stops spinning from cooloing down the first time. It repeats sitting still. I have plenty of coolant in the car, no leaks. Maybe I will try and get a video up, if you think it will be more helpful.
It is not a rattling sound that is happening, this is a Vibrant short ram, wanted to by the Injen, but did not have the money at the time, the Vibrant was really cheap buying it at the WD I work for. It has a silicone sleeve on the throttle body, in fact I just changed it because the old one cracked somehow, Vibrant sent me a new one.
If no one else has seen this, then I guess it is just something that happens and my car is just weird.
Maybe I have a vaccum leak somewhere beyond the intake that is causing the intake to do this, maybe it is that I still have an idle issue when in drive, car seems to kick, but I need to seafoam it and clean my maf and egr still. Recently replaced coils, wires and plugs as well. Are there any other common vaccum leaks other than the factory intake breaking?
Well I would have to at least have a picture of your intake installed to make sure everything is hooked up properly.
-Is there a hose going from the engine cover to the intake?
-There is two vacuum lines that are hooked to some piece that sits on stock intake. You need to make sure they are mounted in a location not to be bumping around.
-Another issue is whether the MAF is too close because of the ram intake. In my injen intake, my sensor is near the stock location.
-Is there a tight seal where the Air Temp sensor is inserted into the new intake?
A video will help give us a idea on the operation, that way we could compare it to our setups.
Do not mind "The Man", he is very knowledgeable, but this might seem too overtly simple for him. He is usually very help and has lot of good information.
If you are still having problems, I would reinstall the stock intake and see if the problem continues. This will help eliminate any variables regarding your problem. Idling issues can happen with the proteges if you read it on here. A lot of this is the rich tune and the carbon build up on the EGR. Did you check the gap on the spark plugs?
VERY IMPORTANT: what type and brand spark plug did you install?
-Is there a hose going from the engine cover to the intake?
-There is two vacuum lines that are hooked to some piece that sits on stock intake. You need to make sure they are mounted in a location not to be bumping around.
-Another issue is whether the MAF is too close because of the ram intake. In my injen intake, my sensor is near the stock location.
-Is there a tight seal where the Air Temp sensor is inserted into the new intake?
A video will help give us a idea on the operation, that way we could compare it to our setups.
Do not mind "The Man", he is very knowledgeable, but this might seem too overtly simple for him. He is usually very help and has lot of good information.
If you are still having problems, I would reinstall the stock intake and see if the problem continues. This will help eliminate any variables regarding your problem. Idling issues can happen with the proteges if you read it on here. A lot of this is the rich tune and the carbon build up on the EGR. Did you check the gap on the spark plugs?
VERY IMPORTANT: what type and brand spark plug did you install?
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Thank you very much Magus. I will get a pic up tomorrow and see about a video.
The hose is there going from the cover to the intake.
Those two hoses are hooked up, but my intake had no where to mount it. For now I placed it somewhere where it is not moving.
If the MAF is too close to what? It is sitting darn near where it sat with the factory intake.
The Air Temp sensor I may have to do something with, it is in there and not coming out, but a poor design for where the grommet is inserted. I think I need to seal it somehow. I am almost regreting buying this intake.
I have read a lot of his posts and he is knowledgable, but the way he treats people, or at least on this post, makes me think he thinks he is superior to all. I have been selling automotive accessories at a WD level for 9 years now and know what things do, I expected that everyone knew the fundamentals of a car, basic info, and that no one here would think that someone does not, some are beginners, some are experts and I am sure a bunch are right in the middle. I am no expert on installing parts as that is not what I do, I sell aftermarket automotive accessories to retail stores across the country while sitting on my butt. I only work on my cars and do not consider my self a mechanic, just mechanically inclined, know how to turn a wrench. I am sorry that I did not post my question the way he wanted it, next time I will go into great detail and explain all of what I know is going on, again sorry for that. Then, with him posting that other thread, I am not even going to say. I did apologize, on the other post (ac prob), for not reading what the fix was for, and I must have missed where he said his ac was cutting out, it does state that. I guess there is no room for an accident. This is why I do not like to post or respond to often, just search and read the how to's. The fix is something that I am going to have to do and is very helpful.
Well, the stock intake is out of the question, it is the reason I have this other intake, it cracked, and good to right between the MAF and the throttle body. The MAF looked good when I put the intake on, about two months ago now. I used NGK platinum spark plugs gapped at what NGK's website said to. I will do more research on the idling issue. Thanks again.
The hose is there going from the cover to the intake.
Those two hoses are hooked up, but my intake had no where to mount it. For now I placed it somewhere where it is not moving.
If the MAF is too close to what? It is sitting darn near where it sat with the factory intake.
The Air Temp sensor I may have to do something with, it is in there and not coming out, but a poor design for where the grommet is inserted. I think I need to seal it somehow. I am almost regreting buying this intake.
I have read a lot of his posts and he is knowledgable, but the way he treats people, or at least on this post, makes me think he thinks he is superior to all. I have been selling automotive accessories at a WD level for 9 years now and know what things do, I expected that everyone knew the fundamentals of a car, basic info, and that no one here would think that someone does not, some are beginners, some are experts and I am sure a bunch are right in the middle. I am no expert on installing parts as that is not what I do, I sell aftermarket automotive accessories to retail stores across the country while sitting on my butt. I only work on my cars and do not consider my self a mechanic, just mechanically inclined, know how to turn a wrench. I am sorry that I did not post my question the way he wanted it, next time I will go into great detail and explain all of what I know is going on, again sorry for that. Then, with him posting that other thread, I am not even going to say. I did apologize, on the other post (ac prob), for not reading what the fix was for, and I must have missed where he said his ac was cutting out, it does state that. I guess there is no room for an accident. This is why I do not like to post or respond to often, just search and read the how to's. The fix is something that I am going to have to do and is very helpful.
Well, the stock intake is out of the question, it is the reason I have this other intake, it cracked, and good to right between the MAF and the throttle body. The MAF looked good when I put the intake on, about two months ago now. I used NGK platinum spark plugs gapped at what NGK's website said to. I will do more research on the idling issue. Thanks again.
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