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Holy CRAP! How could I have not realized that! The GTI is only a TWO-door verses the MS3 4-door! Thus, no comparison... at all.
I bought the MS3 as a mini-family hauler / utility vehicle. I have a baby-seat in the rear. A 2-door GTI would have never worked for me.
The way I see it, it makes no sense to compare an MS3 to a GTI. The MS3 is WAY more flexible from an ergonomics point of view, and is FASTER. Done, period, finished, end of story.
If anything, why don't we see comparisons of the MS3 verses the WRX? This would make more sense. At least the WRX is a 4-door and is a good performer with AWD. I know there have been such comparisons in the past, but I have not seen any yet for 2010. Though after checking both out first-hand, I preferred the MS3 anyway. But I wouldn't rule out a WRX if I needed to replace the MS3 for some reason.
The GTI is just a "different" type of car that will appeal to those with different desires and needs. It's not really a "hot" hatch, as well it's not even a 4-door. So, I'm sure it's just fine for those who are less interested in high performance and don't need to carry lots of stuff including infants etc.
I wanted a car that was inexpensive, FAST, could carry lots of stuff and was generally very flexible... and I got one.... the 2010 MS3. Perhaps it's not a "better" car than a GTI, but it's just "different" type of car. Why they are being compared I have no idea. VW marketing is really stretching things here, trying to muscle in on MS3 territory... sorry VW, no comparison.
Holy CRAP! How could I have not realized that! The GTI is only a TWO-door verses the MS3 4-door! Thus, no comparison... at all.
I bought the MS3 as a mini-family hauler / utility vehicle. I have a baby-seat in the rear. A 2-door GTI would have never worked for me.
The way I see it, it makes no sense to compare an MS3 to a GTI. The MS3 is WAY more flexible from an ergonomics point of view, and is FASTER. Done, period, finished, end of story.
If anything, why don't we see comparisons of the MS3 verses the WRX? This would make more sense. At least the WRX is a 4-door and is a good performer with AWD. I know there have been such comparisons in the past, but I have not seen any yet for 2010. Though after checking both out first-hand, I preferred the MS3 anyway. But I wouldn't rule out a WRX if I needed to replace the MS3 for some reason.
The GTI is just a "different" type of car that will appeal to those with different desires and needs. It's not really a "hot" hatch, as well it's not even a 4-door. So, I'm sure it's just fine for those who are less interested in high performance and don't need to carry lots of stuff including infants etc.
I wanted a car that was inexpensive, FAST, could carry lots of stuff and was generally very flexible... and I got one.... the 2010 MS3. Perhaps it's not a "better" car than a GTI, but it's just "different" type of car. Why they are being compared I have no idea. VW marketing is really stretching things here, trying to muscle in on MS3 territory... sorry VW, no comparison.
Comparing new model for new model, I would take the GTI hands down any day of the week. And that's not just because I have a Passat. The new generation of 3's are ugly as hell in my opinion. Stack the new GTI up against the previous MS3 and it would be a much tougher decision for me.
I have driven the gti and compared to my 08.5 ms3 its just to civilized. mabey when im 40 years old and get arthritis from the torque steer i will want to drive a gti dsg. then i could take a nap when im racing. vw's are over rated and have been for a long time.
Remember, just chipping a GTi to get it in the same HP range as the MS3 will give it the same torque-steer 'bug-a-boos' as the MS3. And the GTi doesn't have a LSD or any of the other things Mazda engineered into the MS3 to help it deal with the high HP. There's a reason VW stopped at 200hp. That's why when the the new VW 'R' version comes out it will be 270 hp but with AWD like previous R's.
And the MS3 is not dynoing at 230hp or so. I don't know where people are getting these numbers. It's true the GTi is underrated a little bit. It usually dyno's at between 201-206hp. However all the dyno's I've seen for the stock MS3 have been pretty close to the stock claimed figure of 263hp. Give or take 3 or 4 hp. The lowest stock one I have seen so far is 256HP. If your only getting 230 or 235hp out of your stock 2010 MS3 something is def wrong with your car.
Fuel trims are factored into the tuning - it would only be for stock when going to the dealer (to keep the warranty), and valet when valeting the car. I'll almost never change the modes anyway.
Also, I have driven both cars, so I do have a good sense of how they both drive. I was able to wring out the ms3 actually, I have a friend who works at a Mazda dealership.
Basically, for the 3k extra I would be paying for the GTI (28k including the tune) the main things I would be getting are:
- better interior
- better navigation
- better controls (gearbox/steering wheel/pedals, from my own opinion)
- better mpg
- hid's
Since i got both cars i can compare it
Jetta mk4 / new speed3
Both have their pros n cons
But here i made my preference
Veedubs for me now are fpr girls if you want a car n corrones get MS3, its amazing car for the money peiod
As of now, I feel that it's worth it - I'm only giving up a mechanical diff and fully defeatable traction control.
Since i got both cars i can compare it
Jetta mk4 / new speed3
Both have their pros n cons
But here i made my preference
Veedubs for me now are for girls if you want a car with corrones get MS3, its amazing car for the money period