Anyone has tried 225/15/40 Kumho ECSTA on stock 18" rim?

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2014 Mazda3 sGT, 2012 MX-5
Hi folks,

Just recently bought a 2014 Mazda 3s GT, which comes with 215/15/40 Dunlops, if I'm not mistaken. I am Thinking about changing stock tires and get 225 instead, Kumho ECSTA. Will that fit? I did that on my previous car, a Veloster Turbo, but the stock tire was a bit stretched there, too thin.

If anyone tried already, I would love to see that in pictures.

Also, kind of a follow up questions. How bad or good are the stock Dunlop for dry weather?
 
i don't have a 2014 but yes,it's all about the width not the size of the wheel but it's probably a 18x7 or 18x7.5 wheel.

but yes a 225 will fit
 
Yes, but the rim is only 7" wide and 225 is the absolute max for safety... I would maintain the same 45 profile, however. The circumference of the 215 tire is 80.5" while the 225 is 81.6". Therefore, your speedometer will be about 1% lower than the speed you are actually traveling. Going down to a 40 profile would give you a circumference of 78.8" or about 2% less. The 45 profile is the better choice. Does that answer your question?


No.

What I want is more contact surface going from 215 to 225, while still using the 18" rim.
 
So buy the 225 tire! As I said, you can put in on the stock 7" rims, but don't try to put 235's on them as it will be unsafe. I just tried to explain what would happen if you did put the 225's on the rim and that a 45 profile is closer to the right size than the 225/40's. If you really want more contact area, you'll have to move to 8 or 8.5 inch rims.

I see...

I know there is a 225/15/40 but don't know about a Kumho ECSTA on 225/15/45
 
where the F are you getting 15 from in this? the tire sizes are 215 ( width) 45(tire height) 18 (wheel diameter) there's no 15 involved.
 
SQL-lover - You seem to have some problems grasping the nomenclature used with tire sizes. TireRack is an excellent source of information. You should go to their tech page for tires and read through this. As others have indicated, you keep referencing a tire size that does not apply to the Mazda3. You should read the link on tire sizes and it should help. TireRack has a bunch of other good links on there as well.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=46
 
+1 to CXVille's post

The GT comes with 215/45-18 Tires and the alternate size on Tire Rack appears to be 225/45-18.

Although you are moving from 215 to 225 for width size, as other's have pointed out, the Width of the rim also contributes the width of the contact patch.

The stock 2014 GT wheels are 18x7. Not only changing tire size but also moving to a 18x7.5 or 18x8 wheel may be what you are after for a beefier look.

Choosing a different size wheel will also require you to use different size tires in order to try and keep the speedometer accurate and also clear suspension and body panels.

Here's another in depth tech link to read up more.
 
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where the F are you getting 15 from in this? the tire sizes are 215 ( width) 45(tire height) 18 (wheel diameter) there's no 15 involved.

I mean, 215/45/18 to 225/45/18 or 225/40/18 ...

And no, I'm keeping stock wheels. I'm looking for more contact or surface area with same OEM wheels.
 
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No.

What I want is more contact surface going from 215 to 225, while still using the 18" rim.

What you gain in contact-patch width-wise, you can lose some length-wise. There's a fine balance for tires, and wider doesn't always mean better contact patch. Tire pressure will make a bigger difference than going 225 from 215.

You'll be better off with purchasing 215-wide tires that have excellent grip ratings. A good 215 tire will outperform an average 225 tire.
 
The actual research on this is quite interesting. First of all, a wider tire does increase the contact patch, but only very slightly. Some of this is due to pressure per square inch, but also the stiffness of the sidewall is a factor. What is really interesting is that lowering the air pressure does not increase the contact patch virtually at all within the operating range of the tire. But there is a cooling effect of a wider tire as it remains slightly cooler. Whether that is good or not depends on the tire compounds used. Some compounds have more grip at higher temps and some have more grip at lower temps. We also know that a wider tire will have a negative effect on mpg due to wind resistance.

I was surprised that tire pressure didn't make a big difference, as that is what seems obvious, but it is just not true due to the stiffness of low profile sidewalls. In fact, depending on the tire, lowering the pressure could actually decrease the contact patch as the tire begins to form a concave surface. Overinflating will cause a convex surface also lowering the contact patch. Tires are designed to achieve the maximum contact patch at the recommended tire pressures.

If we keep the same 45 profile on the tire and bump up the width, we also have a taller tire. While that will make the speedometer record a 1% slower speed, it doesn't affect the contact patch much. However, the taller tire will give slightly higher mpg, slightly reduced performance, and given that the sidewall is slightly taller, will give an incrementally better ride.

These results would argue for keeping the current width of the tire for a good balance of performance and mpg. Changing to 225 might make you feel better, but it will have a very minimal affect and is not worth the effort.

From what I can take from all of the articles that I've read, and as you claimed in your final statement, the quality of the tire has the greatest impact on overall performance. If you want to move to 225's, it might increase mpg and decrease performance very slightly, but you're not going to really notice much of a change.

There will be some here that will talk about new wider wheels and much wider tires with a lower profile. Before I studied this subject, I always thought that would provide significantly better traction but significantly lower mpg. But I've learned that the contact patch doesn't change much. However, the lower profile with a stiffer sidewall, while giving a poorer ride, will give better lateral traction. So if you are racing your car and do a lot of cornering, it will make a difference because you will have more rubber giving lateral contact. Also, the compounds used on very wide tires are softer than the compounds on skinnier tires thereby increasing the grip.

When I replace my current Dunlops, I'll probably move to 225/45's just to accentuate the mpg very slightly as I seem to have enough power with the 2.5L. But the most important factor is the quality of the tire for my specific needs. You should never skimp on tires or brakes if you want to get the most out of driving.

Interesting, and some compelling arguments.

Some 10 years ago, when I took my domestic Camaro Z28 to the race track, I would lower the pressure from 32 psi to about 24 psi, for increased grip. These were not ultra-low profile tires, they did have some meat to them, but it certainly increased grip.

It was common among drag racers.

Still, for the MZ3, I would use a good, sticky (Michelin Pilot Super Sport) 215/45-R18 tire on a custom 7.5" wide rim. Nice look, not overbearing, and more than enough tire to handle this 3000 lbs car.
 
The Michelin PSS doesn't have the grip in the snow and ice that I'd like plus they are not as quiet as other tires. The Hankooks and Continentals high end are much quieter but have a shorter lifespan. The quietest tires I ever had were Yoko A008 racing tires which only lasted 10,000 miles and I was living in SoCal at the time. Even the Pirelli P-Zero's were quieter than the Michelins. There are lots of trade-offs to consider.

Michelin PSS is strictly a summer tire. I thought the OP was looking for a summer set.
 
I love the PSS tires on my RX-8, but I won't buy them again. They're expensive and they aren't lasting long. I also think there can be such a a thing as too much grip for non-track use. The RX-8 was actually more fun to drive with the slipperier OEM tires, and I got some serious rear axle-hop after I changed to the PSS tires (in a wider size, too, complicating things). I think I'll step it down a bit with my next tires for the RX-8. Looking at the BFGoodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2 tires. May get the same ones for my 3 when the OEM tires wear out, although the new Dunlop Direzza DZ102 is tempting, if they release it in the OEM size for the 3.
 
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