Any turbos/supers for 2012 Mazda3 2.5L?
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rodslinger
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Tripoint has a turbo kit that is compatible with the 2010+ cars also and someone I've spoken with is running it. I would verify if you have a California or Federal emissions vehicle though. It seems the O2 sensors on the Cali cars can be fooled with the AEM F/IC but not the federal ones. At least not yet. Makes it a LOT harder to properly tune.
fateexceeds
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Here's the link for the Tri-Point turbo kit that rodslinger mentioned:
http://tripointengineering.com/product_info.php?products_id=2119&osCsid=bd8bab01f46eecb8e37f63684815ec2f
I would caution anyone thinking of buying this for a 2012+ Mz3 to call Tri-Point and talk to them first, because they only have it listed for '04-'11 models - they may not sell it to you for a '12 (I know that back in '10-'11 they would not sell the kit to anyone with a 2010 Mz3, probably because they hadn't tested it yet or figured out the differences in wiring between model years).
http://tripointengineering.com/product_info.php?products_id=2119&osCsid=bd8bab01f46eecb8e37f63684815ec2f
I would caution anyone thinking of buying this for a 2012+ Mz3 to call Tri-Point and talk to them first, because they only have it listed for '04-'11 models - they may not sell it to you for a '12 (I know that back in '10-'11 they would not sell the kit to anyone with a 2010 Mz3, probably because they hadn't tested it yet or figured out the differences in wiring between model years).
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wow!!! two of the most worthless answers ever!!! i must have misread the title cause i'm sure he asked "is there are any turbo kits out there", not "how can i be like everyone else and buy my power???"
yes the tripoint kit will work for your 2012 2.5, the only thing i suggest is wait for the summer because the tripoint engineer i was talking to says the kit will throw a cel light in our cars and they should have it fixed this summer.
It says $4200 (+500 for 2010+) so youre looking at $4700 (+ upgraded cooling). Dyno charts are pretty much dead on with the dyno's of the speed3s....and with the speed 3's having better cooling, suspension, seats, probably a stronger tranny...I dont know that doing this would be more cost effective than taking a hit and trading it in for a speed3. If this kit were 2500 bucks it would be a completely different story. Im all for making the 3's faster...but used 2010 speed 3's can be had all day for 18k (a difference of 2500 dollars vs what I just paid for my loaded out 3 hatch GT)...so calculate the #'s yourself and see what works.
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actually, the dyno says WHP.(wheel horse power) ms3 has 256hp. big difference. that means that a stock speed three is around 210-220 whp. and as for cooling, the top mounted intercooler is actually worse off due to heat induction from the motor, thats why there are FIC kits being made for the MS3 now. also people are having problems with the stock turbo right after the warranty goes out(about 80k miles) and needing replacement or repair. seats and interior, not much difference, you get some red stitching and red shaded seats, cool but not that big off a difference. but as far as suspension and tranny i do agree. even though no matter if you buy a mz3 or ms3, most of the time you upgrade the suspension system yourself, so by one being better than the other is of no difference.
but a 2.5 internals are rated at about 325-350hp, so as long as you dont go over that you should be fine on stock internals/tranny.
sorry if i'm coming off as a dick or just a ranting ass, but i have spent the last six months while i was deployed researching all of this. ive spent countless hours on the phone with many mechanics for as much info as i can get. and now i just wanna share it
but a 2.5 internals are rated at about 325-350hp, so as long as you dont go over that you should be fine on stock internals/tranny.
sorry if i'm coming off as a dick or just a ranting ass, but i have spent the last six months while i was deployed researching all of this. ive spent countless hours on the phone with many mechanics for as much info as i can get. and now i just wanna share it
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Being different for the sake of being different costs more, requires more custom work, more headache, and gets less results. So you do it because you want more props?
There's a reason there are so many fast hondas out there with similar setups: because it WORKS. Who freakin cares if it's the same as any other when it waxes you over and over again?
Spend the money on the car the first time and you have a MUCH better platform to start with than a base model car. It's like buying an impreza and boosting it versus buying a WRX or STI..............WHY?
I did the different thing. IT was expensive. It broke, and there was NO aftermarket support. These days, Cobb AccesPort is something I would've given a kidney for 10 years ago. Do you know how easy this thing is to tune? Seriously?
My first custom turbo car (built myself and tuned myself) ran upgraded injectors, a manual fuel pressure regulator, an apexi SAFC II, walbro fuel pump, and a separate innovate LM-1 wideband box. I had NO datalogging capability, and my tune per rpm was 100% guesswork and trial and error. It was far from optimal, and I had to constantly watch everything. Total pain in the ass.
Buying 2012 3 used: ~12-15k. Adding $4k turbo kit, $500 exhaust, better brakes, suspension, radiator, clutch, etc: ~$4-5k+. Where's that put you? ~$21,500-25k. Hmm, isn't that the going price for a stock speed3 brand new? Which will make over 300whp on stock turbo and mild e85 tune with bolt-ons, stock clutch, brakes, suspension and everything? hmmm......
Oh, and your data is wrong. MS3 stock crank hp has been 263 since 2007. Stock whp ranges from 230-250.
fateexceeds
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My point exactly. Wait until they resolve all the issues before buying their kit for a 2012+.
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you just said it comes out to around the same price for around the same amount of power, sorry my numbers were a little off, so why not do it then? at least building it yourself you get that satisfaction that you made that power. you get the knowledge that you gain installing the entire kit. overall you are basically doing it for the pride and experience.
and cool, you did all that stuff with a tuner, good for you. the average car enthusiast wont know what half that stuff is and you expect everyone to go and buy a $600 piece of equipment they dont really understand? yes the tuner is great and tuning the ms3 is easier than building your own power, but thats what people like tripoint are trying to do, is give you a bolt on system that can run straight from the box without any knowledge of advanced tuning and allow people to enjoy power of FI without having to learn a whole other language.
and you're missing the point guy, he didnt ask what car he can trade his 2.5 in to get a better car, he asked what are the turbo options. thats like someone is drowning and instead of throwing them a ring buoy, you tell him he should have learned how to swim before jumping in. telling him to trade in his car help him in no way at all, i mean, you didnt even pose an opinion about turbo kit or anything in that nature. if you dont agree with what he is doing, stay off his thread and leave space for people who want to give actual advice.
thats exactly what i'm doing. i'd say pay on your car a little and let them work the kinks out of all their programming and in the meantime, just get yourself and your car more prepped to handle a turbo. (ie: freer flowing exhaust, suspension and brake upgrades) all that should keep you busy till you are ready for a step as big as FI.
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No. I'm giving advice based on what I and thousands of others have learned first hand. Buy the car you want, don't build the car you originally wanted with a base that will require $5k more than the price of the car you wanted just to build. It's not a hate thing, it's an advice from someone who's wiser to the idea and actual result of it.
MS3 was designed by engineers who know a helluva lot more than you or I about putting together a complete car. Replete with chassis stiffening, lowered, upgraded suspension, upgraded brakes, aero, interior, clutch, transmission, limited slip diff, wheels, cooling, etc.
Or hodgepodge a bunch of parts together in a half-ass attempt at making something good. Do you really know how to set up fully adjustable coilovers to perform properly? or are you just guessing at what setting is best? ride height?
Brakes: does that $1200 big brake kit properly balance according to the upgrade between the front and rear bias? Is the stock master cylinder appropriate for it or should you upgrade that too?
Limited slip differential.....do you wanna smoke that one tire in the corner while losing all power to the other wheel or spend $1k+ on a limited slip plus install labor? Add another $1k for clutch/flywheel and labor.
This isn't about being different, this is about common sense. We're not taking a base model corvette and making it fast, which would be a totally different idea.............he's talking about taking a regular 3 (econobox) and trying to build himself a 'speed3 equivalent'. Well.....it just won't function the same without spending significantly more........and he'll still fall short. And at the end of the day, 90% of the questions he'll get will be "why didn't you just get a speed3?"
Not hating. Stating from experience. And tens of thousands of dollars spent modding varius cars over the past 13 years.
MS3 was designed by engineers who know a helluva lot more than you or I about putting together a complete car. Replete with chassis stiffening, lowered, upgraded suspension, upgraded brakes, aero, interior, clutch, transmission, limited slip diff, wheels, cooling, etc.
Or hodgepodge a bunch of parts together in a half-ass attempt at making something good. Do you really know how to set up fully adjustable coilovers to perform properly? or are you just guessing at what setting is best? ride height?
Brakes: does that $1200 big brake kit properly balance according to the upgrade between the front and rear bias? Is the stock master cylinder appropriate for it or should you upgrade that too?
Limited slip differential.....do you wanna smoke that one tire in the corner while losing all power to the other wheel or spend $1k+ on a limited slip plus install labor? Add another $1k for clutch/flywheel and labor.
This isn't about being different, this is about common sense. We're not taking a base model corvette and making it fast, which would be a totally different idea.............he's talking about taking a regular 3 (econobox) and trying to build himself a 'speed3 equivalent'. Well.....it just won't function the same without spending significantly more........and he'll still fall short. And at the end of the day, 90% of the questions he'll get will be "why didn't you just get a speed3?"
Not hating. Stating from experience. And tens of thousands of dollars spent modding varius cars over the past 13 years.
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i hear you guy, i dont mean to argue like a couple of school girls lol but i mean tripoint has been around for some time now and i'm sure they know what they are doing as well. they put as much testing into their stuff as anyone else with actual quality parts that wont need replacement later.
also for me, my car has way more sentimental value than trade in value. let say in two years when i put my turbo in (even if it is $5k cause in two years saving that is easy) runs great for the next 2-4 years before i blow the engine cause i'm racing it every weekend the entire time. i'm just gonna buy an different engine to put in her. is that the easiest thing to do? no but it would be fun lol
also for me, my car has way more sentimental value than trade in value. let say in two years when i put my turbo in (even if it is $5k cause in two years saving that is easy) runs great for the next 2-4 years before i blow the engine cause i'm racing it every weekend the entire time. i'm just gonna buy an different engine to put in her. is that the easiest thing to do? no but it would be fun lol
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fateexceeds
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Just to add another perspective here: not everyone likes hatchbacks. I know in my case, an MS3 sedan, if Mazda had made one, would've been my first choice. Also, some people like the process and take pride in doing their own builds (and some of them do know what they're doing, or work with people who know what they're doing). You raise some good points, and I'm on board with what you're saying - but let's remember that "trade-in and get an MS3" isn't the right advice for everyone.
hellhound youre saying theres not much difference in the seating (you were talking about red stitching etc). Ive autocrossed several mazda3s and a mazdaspeed3 and I can tell youre missing the point on what I meant. The speed3 seat will hold your butt still in hard turns, its much more bolstered on the sides and fits more like a glove and less like a highway cruiser. Its just more $$$ for the OP to think about if he decides its going to be driven around a road course is all I was saying.
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oh, i see. the only two MS3s i've had the pleasure riding in during an autox event had aftermarket seats installed. i was referring just to a test drive i've done in both, they just felt similar to me. good to know though.
oh and just for some jeewiz info kinda related to the thread, if you look up mazda L engine 2.5L, you'll see that it has all the same internals as as a ms3 including a forged crankshaft and even a higher grade sleeve. the only reason i can think of that it would need any of this would be the compression ratio it runs at. but i'm not 100% about that and maybe someone else might know
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sorry i didnt mean all the internals. i meant mostly the crankshaft and they dont have the same sleeves, but a higher grade sleeve due to the displacement. i believe thats how it was explained to me. but i didnt meat it was an exact match, just out of the 2.0, 2.3, and 2.5, the 2.5 would be the best bet for adding a turbo kit.
EndrewPolan
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It seems the O2 receptors on the San diego vehicles can be misled with the AEM F/IC but not the government ones. At least not yet. Creates it a LOT more complicated to effectively track.. . .
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