Any brake updates for 2022+ CX-5?

[N7turbo]

Were there any changes to the brakes from 2022 to 2023 on the Turbo models?

I ask because Akebono's website doesn't have Mazda in the list beyond 2022.

https://akebonobrakes.mypartfinder.com/

In fact, NAPA, Tire Rack, and RockAuto don't have Akebono ProACT for 2023+ so I'm wondering where you can find these pads. If the brakes are the same then it's just a matter of ordering the existing PN's.

Thanks.

 

[N7turbo]

Today I confirmed with my dealership's parts department that the brake pad part numbers are the same for 2022 and 2023. So in case anyone is looking, you can use the Akebono 2022 part numbers since they don't list any for 2023.

 

[noeffort]

Today I confirmed with my dealership's parts department that the brake pad part numbers are the same for 2022 and 2023. So in case anyone is looking, you can use the Akebono 2022 part numbers since they don't list any for 2023.

thanks for posting, don't need pads yet buy I always use ake's. Was looking myself and couldn't find part numbers either for a 2023...

 

[N7turbo]

Installed ACT1258 up front and ACT1846 in the rear and they are working perfectly. Very quiet pads. I used Sil-glyde as I couldn't find Molykote.

Also the car did NOT want to come out of maintenance mode. It took me nearly 10 cycles of the procedure. Each time it whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred for about 30 seconds before ending in a critical malfunction. I remembered I forgot to get pressure back into the brakes, so I depressed the pedal several times until it felt normal. Still wouldn't work. Frustrated, I left it and came back about 15 min later and tried again—it activated within 5 seconds. No idea the reason for the tantrum.

Now I have very good condition (3,000 mile) OEM pads to find a use for.

 

[CycleChris]

So are you saying that the pads on the 22 cx5 turbo are the same on the NA 22 cx5? Thanks

 

[yrwei52]

So are you saying that the pads on the 22 cx5 turbo are the same on the NA 22 cx5? Thanks

The front pads are different, the rear pads are the same between 2.5T and 2.5L NA.

 

[N7turbo]

The front pads are different, the rear pads are the same between 2.5T and 2.5L NA.

Why does every site I checked list only one part number for the front CX-5 brakes?

 

[Oceantango]

Installed ACT1258 up front and ACT1846 in the rear and they are working perfectly. Very quiet pads. I used Sil-glyde as I couldn't find Molykote.

Did you reuse the Mazda brake hardware or use what came with the Akebono’s?

 

[N7turbo]

Did you reuse the Mazda brake hardware or use what came with the Akebono’s?

I used the new clips, even though there was nothing wrong with the stock ones. They're practically the same, probably because it's all Akebono OEM. But this way I have a matching set for whoever wants the pads.

 

[yrwei52]

Why does every site I checked list only one part number for the front CX-5 brakes?

Here are Mazda OEM front brake pads listed from MazdaSwag.com for 2023 CX-5 with 2.5T and 2.5L NA:

For some reason only Value MV front brake pads are available for 2023 CX-5 for both 2.5T and 2.5L NA. Yes, there’re different due to 2.5T has bigger dual-piston calipers at front and 2.5L NA has smaller single-piston calipers at front.

 

[N7turbo]

Yes, there’re different due to 2.5T has bigger dual-piston calipers at front and 2.5L NA has smaller single-piston calipers at front.

Logic would dictate that, which is why I made this post when I was surprised that Akebono lists the ACT1258 for "all engines". There is only one part they sell according to their parts finder. I took a chance on it and it works.

I just re-checked NAPA and Tirerack. They previously also had the same information, but now seem to be updated with gas and turbo distinctions. Rockauto's website seems to be down at the moment so I'll check later.

 

[yrwei52]

Logic would dictate that, which is why I made this post when I was surprised that Akebono lists the ACT1258 for "all engines". There is only one part they sell according to their parts finder. I took a chance on it and it works.

I just re-checked NAPA and Tirerack. They previously also had the same information, but now seem to be updated with gas and turbo distinctions. Rockauto's website seems to be down at the moment so I'll check later.

Based on 2023 CX-5 specification the size of front rotors on 2.5T is 12.6” but it’s 11.7” for 2.5L NA. So the front pads have to be bigger on 2.5T than the ones on 2.5L NA.

But a word of caution, the smaller front pads for 2.5L NA COULD still fit your front brakes just smaller on pad area, as they look similar on shape based on Mazda Workshop Manual:

Front brake for 2.5T:

Front brake for 2.5L NA:

Rear brake:

So in your case when pads fit doesn’t mean you have absolutely correct front pads.

This’s one of the reasons why I prefer OEM parts including brake pads and rotors.

 

[N7turbo]

But a word of caution, the smaller front pads for 2.5L NA COULD still fit your front brakes just smaller on pad area, as they look similar on shape based on Mazda Workshop Manual:

So in your case when pads fit doesn’t mean you have absolutely correct front pads.

This’s one of the reasons why I prefer OEM parts including brake pads and rotors.

How would they fit into the caliper bracket if they were too small? That doesn't make sense.

The pads I used were monsters compared to the rears, if that's any indication. And they were exactly the same size as the ones I removed (I matched them up).

 

[yrwei52]

How would they fit into the caliper bracket if they were too small? That doesn't make sense.

The pads I used were monsters compared to the rears, if that's any indication. And they were exactly the same size as the ones I removed (I matched them up).

If you have carefully compared your new pads and original pads, and they’re identical, then you definitely are fine on this. I was saying the aftermarket pads COULD use the same metal backing with smaller brake pad for smaller rotor, IF the metal backing on both pads actual are similar like the Workshop Manual indicated. And if the Akebono lists the ACT1258 you’d got for "all engines", that certainly raised the legit question that Akebono supplies one pad to fit all brakes even though the OEM offers two different pads, which is very common from aftermarket parts.

 

[dunhillmc]

Why does every site I checked list only one part number for the front CX-5 brakes?

you used the correct Akebono parts. their site always lags behind with updating for newer years

 

[N7turbo]

Looks like Rock Auto has also been updated. I guess I was just the early bird.

 

[yrwei52]

Looks like Rock Auto has also been updated. I guess I was just the early bird.

Out of curiosity I checked the Akebono pads for 2023 CX-5 at RockAuto website. It lists ACT1258 for the front on BOTH “2.5L L4” AND “2.5L L4 Turbocharged”. There’s nothing for the rear.

However when I checked 2019 CX-5 it does list ACT1258 for 2.5T and 2.2D, but ACT1623 for 2.5L NA. ACT1846 is for rear. The brakes on 2023 CX-5 are the same as on 2019 CX-5.

It’s hard to believe Akebono would use one front pads ACT1258 for both 2.5T and 2.5L NA although one has larger 12.6” rotor but the other has 11.7”. Obviously the pads have to be different for different size of rotors. Hope RockAuto can update its website soon.

You’ll find only one aftermarket oil filter for both 2.5T and 2.5L NA, whereas Mazda uses 2 different OEM oil filters. “One-size-fit-all” is a common practice by aftermarket manufactures.

 

[N7turbo]

You’ll find only one aftermarket oil filter for both 2.5T and 2.5L NA, whereas Mazda uses 2 different OEM oil filters. “One-size-fit-all” is a common practice by aftermarket manufactures.

I recently learned that the difference between the 2.5 T and 2.5 NA oil filters is that the former's bypass spring takes 30-50% more pressure to actuate. So Mazda intends it to be harder to go into bypass mode on the turbo motor. That is counterintuitive but there must be a reason.

 

[yrwei52]

I recently learned that the difference between the 2.5 T and 2.5 NA oil filters is that the former's bypass spring takes 30-50% more pressure to actuate. So Mazda intends it to be harder to go into bypass mode on the turbo motor. That is counterintuitive but there must be a reason.

There isn’t much info on Mazda OEM oil filters. Not sure where did you get the bypass pressure specs on OEM oil filters. But one thing for sure is, if Mazda can use the same oil filter from the 2.5L NA, why bother to spend R&D money to develop a new oil filter, and spend more money to manufacture a different oil filter for the 2.5T?

 

[N7turbo]

There isn’t much info on Mazda OEM oil filters. Not sure where did you get the bypass pressure specs on OEM oil filters. But one thing for sure is, if Mazda can use the same oil filter from the 2.5L NA, why bother to spend R&D money to develop a new oil filter, and spend more money to manufacture a different oil filter for the 2.5T?

I don't think the manufacturing costs are much different. Look at this:

Mazda oil filters: 1WPE-14-302 vs. 1WPY-14-302

A look at what makes two genuine Mazda oil filters different, even though both numbers supersede to the same number in many aftermarket brands

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This shows the measurement of force required to press the spring. Now, I'm not an engineer, but maybe there's an interplay with the heavier oil the turbo motor uses. Therefore everything would work as intended with 5W-30 using this filter and 0W-20 using the other filter. That's speculation on my part as there may be another reason why Mazda did this.

And look at these teardowns that show the filters to be otherwise the same:

Mazda Oil Filter Cut Open 1WPY-14-302 / 2020 Mazda CX5

Oil filter review.Let's see what this used Mazda oil filter caught, after being in a 2020 Mazda CX-5. Mazda 1WPE-14-302 oil filter: https://www.mazdapartsfac...

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