And Iraq's big oil contracts go to ...

Donas64

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Please, for the love of everything lets not turn this into a flame fest. Just thought it was an interesting story. I'm sure Exxon and Co. will get jump on the bandwagon soon enough, but those who say this is all about oil, I mean our gas prices are still going up and turns out Eastern nations are getting their paws on the sweet crude before us! WHAT GIVES!!! If we're not stealing that Iraqi oil yet, someone needs to get on the ball. I want cheap gas by the time I buy a Pontiac G8 GTP dangit!




http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/05/news/international/iraq_oil/index.htm


And Iraq's big oil contracts go to ...
Companies from China, India and other Asian nations are seen getting the first contracts. But don't write off Big Oil just yet.
By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer
April 5 2007: 1:42 PM EDT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Despite claims by some critics that the Bush administration invaded Iraq to take control of its oil, the first contracts with major oil firms from Iraq's new government are likely to go not to U.S. companies, but rather to companies from China, India, Vietnam, and Indonesia.

While Iraqi lawmakers struggle to pass an agreement on exactly who will award the contracts and how the revenue will be shared, experts say a draft version that passed the cabinet earlier this year will likely uphold agreements previously signed by those countries under Saddam Hussein's government.


"The Chinese could announce something within the next few months" if all goes well with the oil law, said James Placke, a senior associate at Cambridge Energy Research Associates who specializes in the Middle East.

Behind high oil and gas prices
The Asian firms are at an advantage for several reasons.

First, less constrained by Western sanctions during the Hussein regime, they've been operating in Iraq and know the country's oilfields, said Falah Aljibury, an energy analyst who has advised several Iraqi oil ministers as well as other OPEC nations.

Aljibury said the first contracts likely awarded will be to the Chinese in the south central part of Iraq, the Vietnamese in the south, the Indians along the Kuwaiti border, and the Indonesians in the western desert.

The contracts under consideration are small.

Aljibury said the Chinese agreement is to produce about 70,000 barrels of oil a day, while the Vietnamese one is for about 60,000.

It's hard to put a dollar amount on what those contracts might be worth, as security costs, drilling conditions and the exact terms to be offered by Baghdad are unknown, said Christopher Ruppel, a senior geopolitical analyst with the consulting firm John S. Herold.

But the barrel amount is tiny even by Iraq's depressed post-war production of around 2 million barrels a day.

And the country is thought to be able to ramp up production to over 3 million barrels a day with fairly little effort, providing the security situation improves. Rosy estimates even have Iraq producing 6 million barrels a day in the long term, which would make it the world's No. 4 producer behind Russia, Saudi Arabia and the United States.

But the Asian firms are also well positioned to grab further contracts.

Having avoided military entanglements in the region, they may curry more favor with the Iraqi people.

"They have no involvement with the secular or ethnic people," said Aljibury. "The conditions favor them."

Given its rapidly growing thirst for oil, combined with its feeling of isolation from world oil markets, China is sometimes viewed as more cavalier than Western oil firms when it comes to putting capital and people at risk. That could lead them to sign contracts in violent Iraq sooner than Western firms.

"The Chinese seem to be willing to go places where other companies can't find workers to go," said Adam Sieminski, chief energy economist at Deutsche Bank.

But none of this suggests Western firms like ExxonMobil (Charts), Chevron (Charts), BP (Charts) and Royal Dutch Shell (Charts) will be completely cut out of the action.

First, their technical prowess is world renowned.

"I have not heard anything from any Iraqi ministers against U.S. oil companies," said Aljibury. "In fact, I have heard the opposite. They are the best in field exploration and development. They want them."

Second, Iraq's oil contract game has just begun.

According to a letter supplied by John S. Herold's Ruppel, memorandums of understanding have been signed with all the oil majors for several years. And Iraqi Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahristani has said the country plans to tender for major oil projects in the second half of 2007.

Steve Kretzmann, executive director of Oil Change International, an industry watchdog group, criticized the draft oil law for allowing long-term oil contracts to be awarded to foreign oil firms, a practice he said was unique in the Middle East.

"Giving out a few crumbs to the Chinese and Indians is one thing," said Kretzmann, who noted the draft law was seen by both the Bush administration and the International Monetary Fund before it was given to Iraq's parliament. "But the real prize are the contracts that award long-term rights. I think the [Western oil companies] are biding their time."
 
Kansei said:
www.exxposeexxon.com

they need to be stopped..

Adding a turbocharger to your protege5 reduced its fuel economy. By making the P5 less fuel efficient, you are contributing even more to global warming by having to purchase gasoline more often thus further killing our planet and enriching exxon and other members of "big oil". I can't take you seriously until you de-turbo your P5.....or at least trade it in for a Prius! :)
 
Well... I don't buy fuel from exxonmobil so there goes that :)

And the highway gas mileage hasn't gone down, just city/track gas mileage.

plus I ride my mountainbike whenever I can (which admittedly isn't all that often in Rochester, NY haha)
 
Kansei said:
Well... I don't buy fuel from exxonmobil so there goes that :)

All is forgiven then I was mistaken. I didn't know you modified you Turbo P5 (awesome BTW) to run on bio-diesel. I think its awesome that you make your own fuel and dont support big oil!(cool) ........whats that you say, you buy your gas from another source? Citgo? Shell? BP? TRAITOR!
 
RODSCALIP5 said:
School me on Global Warming please. I thought we were just going through another cycle.

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I ain't mad at ya Kansei. Don't you dare take that turbo of your P5. I hope you're not guzzling too much gas though. Don't want any companies making too much profit! :)
 
Actually, I would normally do BP but there aren't any in s***-tastic upstate ny.. the only fuel I can trust here is Hess :(
 
Kansei said:
Actually, I would normally do BP but there aren't any in s***-tastic upstate ny.. the only fuel I can trust here is Hess :(

The Hess around here has really good prices. But BP does have good gas stations and seems to have good business practices also.

As long as you don't buy gas from Citgo, we're cool.
 
I only buy Exxon premium gas...


and I always look for the highest price...


and I run my car extra rich just to get worst gas mileage, so I can offset all the enviro-whackos who drive hybrids.




Now everyone stop exhaling, your polluting.
 
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Knox Joe said:
I only buy Exxon premium gas...


and I always look for the highest price...


and I run my car extra rich just to get worst gas mileage, so I can offset all the enviro-whackos who drive hybrids.




Now everyone stop exhaling, your polluting.


You said it man. Sometimes I even take the scenic route home. Its longer and sometimes I feel guilty about the extra fumes I'm pumping into the air. But I figure Al Gore has a pretty good view from his jet hes buzzing around in. So I figure I'm entitled to a nice drive home! :)

Thats my Environmentalist Slogan:

BE TRULY CARBON NEUTRAL. DON'T EXHALE! :)
 
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Makes perfect political sense to me. Bush administration has been beaten and chastised over the Iraqi invasion being accused for "trying to steal oil" what better way to disprove them by giving the first contracts to OTHER non-involved nations. Hell the article even eluded to it

The contracts under consideration are small.

Aljibury said the Chinese agreement is to produce about 70,000 barrels of oil a day, while the Vietnamese one is for about 60,000.

It's hard to put a dollar amount on what those contracts might be worth, as security costs, drilling conditions and the exact terms to be offered by Baghdad are unknown, said Christopher Ruppel, a senior geopolitical analyst with the consulting firm John S. Herold.

But the barrel amount is tiny even by Iraq's depressed post-war production of around 2 million barrels a day.

And the country is thought to be able to ramp up production to over 3 million barrels a day with fairly little effort, providing the security situation improves. Rosy estimates even have Iraq producing 6 million barrels a day in the long term, which would make it the world's No. 4 producer behind Russia, Saudi Arabia and the United States.

60k and 70k barrels isnt s*** for an oil nation thats expected to produce 6 million barrels. Add that to the fact @ the end of the article it stated that America's big oil companies were just biding their time quietly to get in on the action. Im sure contracts of 1-2mil. barrels a day will be coming their way in the coming year or two...

as a side note Shell/sunoco/BP FTW
 
B1GHAM said:
Im sure contracts of 1-2mil. barrels a day will be coming their way in the coming year or two...


GOOD! The sooner the better! I want cheap gas dangit! And if the Iraqi govt. wants to thank us for our efforts over there by rewarding us with contracts then more power to them. We're gunna be paying for it aren't we?

Or will we be "stealing" all that oil under the cover of darkness while Iraq sleeps!


Last time I checked, a contract does not equal stealing. Its business. We have the best equipped Oil companies in the world so they want to do business with us as they are in the business of Oil. Makes sense to me.


Would people rather they didn't sell us oil? If they don't sell to us, they will sell it to someone else.

As long as the Iraqi people benefit from their countries oil business/wealth then I'm all good with it. They need to solidify and revamp the infrastructure If the Iraqi govt. does not use that money for the good of its people and to further improve the quality of life for its citizens, then I'll be upset.

Iraq could be BETTER than Dubai if they put their minds to it!
 
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Donas64 said:
You said it man. Sometimes I even take the scenic route home. Its longer and sometimes I feel guilty about the extra fumes I'm pumping into the air. But I figure Al Gore has a pretty good view from his jet hes buzzing around in. So I figure I'm entitled to a nice drive home! :)

Thats my Environmentalist Slogan:

BE TRULY CARBON NEUTRAL. DON'T EXHALE! :)


Anyone who feels bad about what they're doing to the environment just send me $200 via PayPal and I'll personally offset your carbon footprint for the year.
 
Donas64 said:
GOOD! The sooner the better! I want cheap gas dangit! And if the Iraqi govt. wants to thank us for our efforts over there by rewarding us with contracts then more power to them. We're gunna be paying for it aren't we?

Or will we be "stealing" all that oil under the cover of darkness while Iraq sleeps!


Last time I checked, a contract does not equal stealing. Its business. We have the best equipped Oil companies in the world so they want to do business with us as they are in the business of Oil. Makes sense to me.


Would people rather they didn't sell us oil? If they don't sell to us, they will sell it to someone else.

they wont be stealing oil... in essence (and how I view it) what the Bush Administration is doing is very very smart.

They pass off the BS oil contracts that, no way in hell, would any of the Big Oil companies in America want. 60k and 70k barrels/day is drops.. HOWEVER it shows good faith on the side of Bush and shows that there was no want in oil, and that the iraqi invasion was purely for ethical reasons of liberation. Almost like they are saying "see? if we wanted the oil would we let everyone else have first dibs?"

@ the same time they are theoretically speaking, sitting on a gold mine. they give out contracts of up to even 1 mil barrels and that still leaves up to 5mil barrels/day to be purchased by our companies. Add that to the fact that iraq knows, if we are invested, they can push production possibly further with our technology and experience. Its a win-win. Im sure they are just going to bide their time and get in when everyone loses interest.
 
Knox Joe said:
Anyone who feels bad about what they're doing to the environment just send me $200 via PayPal and I'll personally offset your carbon footprint for the year.

What kind of trees will you be planting to offset my carbon emissions?

How long will it take those trees to mature enough to offset my emissions?

How many trees will you have to plant?

:)

Does reducing emmissions by holding in my farts mean that I'm doing my part in saving our fragile planet?


WHY THE HECK is there snow in the forecast in April? WHHHYYYYYYY!!!!!
 
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