alright - here goes. KL-P5-take2

[ihone]

I guess we'll see tomorrow! Thanks for the info man!

Hey, you used the stock radiator, right? Remember what hoses you ended up going with? Got pics of the tags/badging? Receipt? The car is a ways from any car-parts place, and running back and forth will make for some serious frustration.

Got yet another question: The ECU and wiring harness are both of the California Emissions standard (yeah....brilliant move on my part....). The O2 sensors are double the price of Fed std's. So....would another ECU from that year MX6/626 work on that harness, that's NOT from California? I'm wondering if I wouldn't just be better off getting another ECU that's non-CA compliant and running cheapo O2 sensors. Also - what's the difference between the 2 standards of O2 sensors (Fed vs. CA)?

 

[ihone]

btw - the stuff from my FS is for sale. block is smoked and I'm sure the internals are trashed, but everthing else is there and available for the pickings!

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123807301-FS-Parting-out-FSDE

 

[ihone]

she fired up! Didnt run it real long because i still have no radiator hosing in place - damn that things LOUD!!! No O2 sensors either.....thinking about trying to splice the 4-banger O2 sensors into place, just to get something in there ya know? Would that work?

Sourced all wiring though - done.

Now I have to figure out why the PS pump is puking PS fluid everywhere. Is there a crush washer in the return line to the PS reservoir? It looks as if it's gushin outta there!

 

[forced_pgt]

The hard line on the pump should have two crush washers on it. Just normal clamps on the rubber hoses for the return. As long as you get the signal wiring right, using the 4 banger o2's will be just fine. Im uploading pics right now of the radiator hose setup. I do have the part number for the one non-stock funky hose we used. The rest are chopped up stock hoses.

 

[ihone]

Did you cut up hoses and use plastic elbows?

Also, about the A/C compressor - did you have to pull the KL lines from your donor car to attach them to the P5 system? Thanks for the help by the way!

 

[forced_pgt]

Drivers side. Upper is a stock P5 hose that has been cut and reconnected with a pipe. This joins to a portion of the stock lower hose from the Probe.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/WhiteDart/Probe%20related/Andys/ProtEjay/1211111628.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/WhiteDart/Probe%20related/Andys/ProtEjay/1211111628a.jpg

Passenger side.
Stock upper Probe hose. This connects to a metal pipe that came from another KL thermostat housing. The other end of this pipe fits into the hose I found that had perfect sizing and bends.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/WhiteDart/Probe%20related/Andys/ProtEjay/1211111629.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/WhiteDart/Probe%20related/Andys/ProtEjay/1211111629a.jpg
Part number. Hose was purchased from PepBoys.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/WhiteDart/Probe%20related/Andys/ProtEjay/1020111902.jpg

The A/C lines are the stock P5 lines.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/WhiteDart/Probe%20related/Andys/ProtEjay/1017111117a.jpg

 

[ihone]

The AC lines on mine would NOT fit though.....where they bolt up to the compressor - the fittings wouldn't fit inside the compressor. You know, that beveled edge with the o-ring on it?

 

[ihone]

ok....well - I got a deadline to have it done by. I have to have this thing done by 1/1/12. We're losing our loaner from our buddy, and for good reason too. he's been riding his Harley to work every-single-day since we've borrowed his car. He doesn't have a problem with it, but he's starting to have backpain and I just feel like an ass for relying on him for so long.....so I'm gonna do this.

Payday - like...2 days away - I'm running to the pull-a-part and looking for an intermediate shaft from a 93-97 626 v6, rad hoses from a few different vehicles, and I'm gonna have to get this exhaust welded up. Anyone in the houston area good at welding, and have a cracker-box welder they want to utilize in welding up a quick-fast exhaust with? I'll pay you for your troubles. Then - it's hopefully going to be done. Just the rest of the wiring (coolant sensors, etc) to go after that.

It's the final push.....and I'm gonna win at all costs.

 

[xxxmonoxidechil]

the mid shafts on the v6 626's are the exact same as the one's that are in the probes and mx6's. but remember, there is a 2 bolt mid shaft, and a 3 bolt mid shaft depending on year.

 

[ihone]

I do believe I have the 3 bolt, just due to the way it looks. I'll have a better idea of what I'm needing once I get to the pull-a-part.

Thanks for the info!

 

[ihone]

got her purrin like a kitten tonight - still need to splice the O2 sensors in, and finish up the exhaust. Oh ... and put trans fluid in it to actually drive it. But I'm gonna wait til we pull the intermediate shaft and replace it to put fluid in it....that shiz is expensive!

So, it stands like this now:
[video]http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/ihone/?action=view&current=MOV00384.mp4[/video]
[video]http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/ihone/?action=view&current=MOV00385.mp4[/video]

 

[ihone]

working to get this thing done this coming weekend (or close to it). Drivable is the goal....and I think I can do it.

coolant fan - something's up with it. Plugged into the stock p5 wiring, using the temp sensor connector on the p5 at the KL temp sensor, lastnight it went to about 3/4 the temp scale but the fan never kicked on.

exhaust - still need to source some 2.5" piping ---- or......use the stock p5 exhaust and cut up/mod it to work with the new muffler.

atx - add fluids, change out intermediate shaft (p5 shaft is about 2" too short......and it doesn't bolt up correctly). Going to the pullapart tomorrow to get this item and a new return neck for the KL powersteering pump. <<<< is this o-ring readily available? I may be able to just get away with putting a new o-ring on it to stop the stream of PS fluid all over the place.

o2 sensors - I'm not springing to buy 2 new sensors (xmas time is rough this year......) - so I'm going to splice the FSDE o2 sensors into the KL harness and use them. I don't see why it won't work......ideas on this?

Tighten everything up, find the vacuum leaks I know I still have, and take it for a spin.

Any ideas on how to connect the vacuum up to the p5 ventillation system in order to switch the defroster to the ON position? P5 vacuum diagram anyone?

 

[xxxmonoxidechil]

a 4 wire o2, is a 4 wire o2. as long as you wire it correctly, it should work.

 

[ihone]

with that said - I'm going for it. Just gotta make sure I get the right wires spliced through.

Oh.....and then there's that whole situation on the rear header. It has the O2 sensor pointed RIGHT at the power steering rack. Don't know how I'm going to overcome it, but I will......

 

[Lewis7789]

P5 Mazda manual for the vacuum lines;
http://www.floptical.net/mazda/

 

[ihone]

that doesn't really tell me how the defroster system get's it's vacuum though (to switch from vents to the dash blower circuit).

I noticed it wasn't working lastnight when I switched it over from vent to defrost. Does that come off the charcoal canister, through the firewall via steel tubing?

 

[ihone]

Grrrr.......just saw my mistake in axles and what will not work.

The p5 has a 26 spline axle on both the trans side and wheel side.
The 626/mx6 has a 28 spline on both the trans side and wheel side.

...what to do now? If I don't get this thing on the road in the next 8 days....we're screwed!

 

[ihone]

Think I could take a 626 front hub, with the 28-splines I need, and have a bearing pressed that fits the p5 front spindle? At that time I could possibly use the 626 cv axle assembly.

OR.....

Think I could meld the 2 together via welding the splined end from one axle on the other

OR.....

Think I could meld the 2 together by disassembling the CV joints and reassembling them mixed with the 28-spline axle interior and the 26-spline axle end exterior?



Ideas?

 

[ihone]

Found some info regarding axles and the crossover:

an axle from a 95 Protege ES 1.8L / 92-94 MX-3 GS 1.8L-v6 standard trans has the same exact dimensions and splinecounts that I need. My question is this:

Does it seriously make a difference if I put this "standard trans" axle into my automatic KL car?

 

[duffbuster243]

On the KL powerplants. Both the manual and auto use the same axles. mx3 v6 axles mazdaspeed protege axles or regular protege5 5 speed axles will work but will be smaller and weaker. the only axle you really need is the drivers side as you p5 auto axle should snap right into the v6 intermediate shaft.