Adding some boost!!!

[vel]

i currently have a N/A pro5 and would like to go the turbo route. anyone have a list of all things needed to make this surgery a success!

i thought about finding mazspeed stuff but i know i would be moding those parts anyway so i would just get aftermarket from the get-go.
i've some amazing engine jobs...help me get my boost!!!! Please(pullup)

 

[magnumP5]

Fairly simple - the biggest problem is going to be finding some of the aftermarket parts you're referencing. First question though, manual or automatic? If you have a 5-speed the process is much easier. If you're going for the MSP setup then all you need is:

MSP ECU
MSP or similar turbo (GT2554R, GT28RS, GT2871 -> must be T2 flange)
MSP or direct replacement exhaust manifold
MSP or direct replacement s-pipe (j-pipes are the same)
Oil Feed and Return Lines
Coolant Feed and Return Lines
Oil Return Fitting in oil pan or windage tray
Intercooler setup (I would advise going straight to a FMIC setup to avoid the SMIC mess)
MSP-compatable intake

I think that's all that's required although boost and wideband O2 gauges are STRONGly suggested.

If you want to go another route then pretty much everything about is still needed but it's all going to have to be custom.

 

[RhysM]

so if you were to purchase all of that and get it all installed for you how much do think it would cost in the end including the labour, just a rough estimate?

 

[magnumP5]

If you're good and don't mind installing used parts almost all the turbo stuff can be had for about $1000 (you have to essentially live in the F/S section or know the right people to do this) and you're probably looking at a similar amount, AT LEAST, for the install. All in all, you're looking at a guaranteed minimum of $2000. I still say source the parts and install it yourself or find some buddies that know what they're doing. It's not an engine rebuild so it's really not that difficult.

 

[vel]

yeah i have i lil understanding about cars so i would definitely do stuff myself with the help of others who have turbo or msp experience.
question>>> are saying the s-pipe and j-pipe are the same thing?? and what is this hard pipe i see selling on the protege garage. oh and it is manual...only reason i would consider this fun adventure...(ricer)

 

[vel]

is a t3/t4 turbo garbage??

 

[magnumP5]

question>>> are saying the s-pipe and j-pipe are the same thing?? and what is this hard pipe i see selling on the protege garage.

Sorry, I should have made that more clear. The downpipe of the MSP is made of two pieces stock: the 's' and 'j' pipes named for their appearance. The j-pipe is present and the same on all 2.0L Proteges (it's right below the pre-cat on N/A Proteges) so you really wouldn't have to source one of those. The 'hard-pipes' you see on PG are more than likely referencing intercooler pipes for the stock and direct replacement SMICs. Stock MSPs have cheap plastic intake piping just like we did although there's is more extensive as buying an intake does not replace those. Common first mods on a MSP are an intake and hardpipes to get rid of all the plastic under there. It also helps their throttle response because hardpipes will not expand/contract under heat/cold.

is a t3/t4 turbo garbage??

That depends mostly on the manufacturer. However, you cannot use a T3/T4 turbo with a MSP setup.

 

[vel]

if the manifold was for t3/t4 i could though right. but how is it compared to the turbos you told me about... oh and holy s*** looked at prices for them and the are about a grand alone. anywhere i could get cheaper or a trusting used one(if that is possible)

 

[magnumP5]

if the manifold was for t3/t4 i could though right. but how is it compared to the turbos you told me about... oh and holy s*** looked at prices for them and the are about a grand alone. anywhere i could get cheaper or a trusting used one(if that is possible)

I'm sure you've heard this but, "You get what you pay for." and that should answer your question. If you can find an exhaust manifold for a T3/T4 turbocharger go for it! I think there's currently only two manifolds out there: OBX and the HiBoost. From what I read, the OBX is absolute junk; the runners are circular whereas the exhaust ports on the head are oval. As for HiBoost, good luck receiving your part. They were once real active here but as of lately have been harder and harder to get ahold of. Again, if you want to use a T3/T4 everything is going to have to be custom - exhaust manifold, downpipe, intake, IC piping and tune.

 

[A louie]

For a t3/t4 setup a lot would be custom. Although it would be worth it imo. From what ive read, a t3/t4 on 6/7 psi would put the same power as the stock t25 at 10/11 psi. It will also give you a better powerband and you would hit full boost around 3k. The only thing with the t3/t4 setup, it would be really risky to run on a stock motor. I wouldn't recommend it unless your forged.

For a t3/t4 setup, you would need (correct me if I am wrong on some parts people)

- Custom dump tube
- Custom ic pipe to the inlet and outlet of turbo (other piping should be fine I would imagine)
- 38mm wastegate
- t3/t4 mani
- Custom downpipe
- and would need to run a split second or something to tune it with
- custom intake
- t3/t4 turbo
-msp ecu
-probably missing something

I was going to go a t3/t4 setup originaly but decided not to. Your best bet would be to talk to people who are running that setup!

If you go with the mazdaspeed setup, you can get everything for about 1k. The most expensive thing would be the front mount and maybe turbo (depending on which one you get)

 

[vel]

alouie, magnump5...thanks a bunch. i think i am gonna get an intercooler from kid as my first purchase. its a front mount so i wont have to worry about the fan with a side mount. after reading all this stuff you guys put as a list the only thing i seen to have difficulty locating is a ecu. if i could not get the ecu would i be able to program the p5 ecu for the added parts?? once again thanks for all your input fellas

 

[vel]

oh and i may be asking a real dumb question here... when you say forged louie... do you mean the internals like the rods or whatever??

 

[vel]

...ere: OBX and the HiBoost. From what I read, the OBX is absolute junk; the runners are circular whereas the exhaust ports on the head are oval. As for HiBoost, good luck receiving your part. They were once real active here ...

another dumb question... why would that pose a problem

 

[magnumP5]

Yeah, he's referring to forged engine internals. You might be able to run the P5 ECU with something like a SplitSecond AFC (possibly FTC?). You just have to have some sort of fuel control if you're going to use your stock ECU.

On that note, I've been thinking a lot lately on whether I should put my P5 ECU back in and try to tune that with the SS AFC. The P5 ECU has more advanced timing (but not as much as the MP3) than the MSP so that would be fairly good for power. My only concerns are whether it's TOO much timing and if there are other things (such as certain sensors seeing boost) that might cause the ECU to freak out. Of course if I had the FTC I don't think this would be a problem - just cut a little timing here and there and all should be good, right?

 

[magnumP5]

another dumb question... why would that pose a problem

Just caught this. It doesn't necessarily pose a problem as mush as it isn't ideal for flow. Just think about it; if the exhaust ports on the head are oval, and the exhaust manifolds runners are circular, everything isn't going to line up nicely, right? You're either going to have exhaust flow hitting part of the flange (if the circular runners are smaller than the oval major axis) or you're going to have exhaust coming out of a smaller holer into a larger one (if the runners are larger than the major axis). Either way you are reducing the exhaust velocity before the turbo which will hurt spool up time, and therefore power delivery time drastically.

 

[alexcited]

i really do love you magnump5, I've been debating on posting almost the exact same thread but i generally get the 'use the search button' response to all of my question. your part list is going to be crucial. thank you.

 

[vel]

Just caught this. It doesn't necessarily pose a problem as mush as it isn't ideal for flow. Just think about it; if the exhaust ports on the head are oval, and the exhaust manifolds runners are circular, everything isn't going to line up nicely, right? You're either going to have exhaust flow hitting part of the flange (if the circular runners are smaller than the oval major axis) or you're going to have exhaust coming out of a smaller holer into a larger one (if the runners are larger than the major axis). Either way you are reducing the exhaust velocity before the turbo which will hurt spool up time, and therefore power delivery time drastically.

interesting...makes sense. i dont see many t3/t4 mani's with the oval runners. if any...

 

[alexcited]

so i plan on piecing this kit together myself, and i've noticed that the for sale section is hardly active,i dunno if this is just right now or always,but it hasnt changed since i've been a member. so since i plan on doing this piece by piece i was going to start with the turbo and the ecu. should i just go with the stock ecuthat you can get from protege garage for 300? would i find a used one for much cheaper? i plan on checking the junkyards around here,but since its not the most common car i dunno if ill find one.

 

[vel]

yeah this car is not common, turbo or not in the junkyard. good thing i guess. i am going to venture and do the ecu last and see if the pro5 ecu can be remapped...

 

[alexcited]

yeah this car is not common, turbo or not in the junkyard. good thing i guess. i am going to venture and do the ecu last and see if the pro5 ecu can be remapped...

id like to get the turbo first, but im really not that picky. most likely ill end up with the ECU and the manifold first.