Again with this stupid idea? When will you guys all realizes that nobody in the MSP section gives a **** about or cares enough to go to general mazda sections? If you want to clean up the mazdaspeed section then by all means create subcategories but for s***'s sake, please don't move all the MSP-specific content out of the MSP section. Take it from a guy who works with logic for a living, your idea does not make sense. It didn't make sense 2 months ago and it doesn't make sense now. Period.
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Stormtrooper77
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So essentially an 'Off Topic' section for MSP's.
jersey_emt
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goonsquad said:
You're entitled to your own opinion, but I think this idea is the best for the board as a WHOLE. The mods have to decide what is best for everyone (not an easy decision), and right now, having MSP people post in the correct forums will make things much easier to work with.
If, in the future, the other sections get overloaded, I'm sure the admins & mods will create separate subsections for each car.
You're right. Everybody has his own opinion. This act (like last time) will piss tons of people off. All MSP owners (the biggest users of this site i think) will have to sift through tons of crap about other cars. Now I know for some of you guys this is not a problem. You like reading the entire board. That's your prerogative. But me and most other users come on for maybe a few minutes a day or week to find out about their car and don't want to have to sift through tons of s***. I couldn't agree more that subcategorizing each car's section would be beneficial... but let's face it, 99% of all posts in the MSP section are MSP-specific. Can somebody tell me one reason why it's not a better idea to sub-categorize each specific car's section?
jersey_emt
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Because, when you get down to the nitty-gritty, the MSP is still a Protege. You'll get a much larger pool of people looking at your posts if they're put in the correct forum. Just because someone owns a P5 or an MP3 doesn't mean they can't answer your MSP question. Most of the non-MSP members feel the MSP members think they're better than everyone else. Hopefully, moving posts where they belong in the first place will de-segregate the MSP owners from the rest of the board.
Change pisses off the majority. It happens all of the time. I'm hoping that the majority can just try this out, and see how it works for a while. Nobody is saying this is the way it's going to be from now on. It's just for the time being. And who knows, after the dust settles, you may actually like it.
Change pisses off the majority. It happens all of the time. I'm hoping that the majority can just try this out, and see how it works for a while. Nobody is saying this is the way it's going to be from now on. It's just for the time being. And who knows, after the dust settles, you may actually like it.
Jersey, I admire your objectiveness. Regardless, i still vehemently disagree. In fact, with regards to the other Protege owners, you are right. They (as in some of them) do THINK that the MSP owners have a superiority complex. That is exactly the problem. They need to get the chip off their collective shoulder. I got nothing against other proteges. In fact every time I see a P5 I say "that's the coolest grocery-getter around." *that wasn't supposed to be sarcastic*. However whether I like the car or not means nothing. I like BMWs but I don't want to read about them on my board. And I will reiterate my earlier point. 99% of all issues in the MSP section relate to the MSP only. Now I know there will be p5 owners who cry and say "waaaa. we have turbos too!!!". Well guess what. You are not the majority. Make an honest guess of how many P5 owners have turbos. 5%? I'd say that's being generous. So it only makes sense that those people (not the overwhelming majority) should be forced to sift through posts in the MSP section or wherever they need to go, but that is a small price to pay for 99% of the people finding exactly what they want exactly where it should be. MP3s have clunk you say? So be it...the ONE big-ticket issue shared by any two protege models. I'm perfectly willing to put up with parallel posting in that one category if it means I will find all my FMIC, boost controller, FCD, FPR, gauge, turbo, price, insurance, SRT-4 comparison, 1/4 mile times, kills about the MSP where they belong, and ON AND ON in the MSP SECTION!!!
understandable goon, however, let me ask you these questions:
is the bolt pattern the same on the msp?
is there a difference between allowable offset and lowering on a sedan and a msp?
is there a difference between hooking up a stereo in a msp and any other protege?
if i were to buy forged internals, would it be msp specific?
i need cams. are they different for the msp?
i want pulleys, are they different for the msp?
i want a new wing for my sedan, would it be different than buying one for a msp?
i want to paint my headlights, do my headlights differ in structure to the msp?
im installing sparko seats in my sedan, should i go about it different than my msp?
i have a question about changing tranny fluids for better shifting, is there a difference between my p5 and your msp?
i ordered a short shifter and bushings, will it work for the msp as well?
i need some exhaust hangers, think i could use them with the msp?
those are some pretty common questions, and they are all the same no matter what car you own.
is the bolt pattern the same on the msp?
is there a difference between allowable offset and lowering on a sedan and a msp?
is there a difference between hooking up a stereo in a msp and any other protege?
if i were to buy forged internals, would it be msp specific?
i need cams. are they different for the msp?
i want pulleys, are they different for the msp?
i want a new wing for my sedan, would it be different than buying one for a msp?
i want to paint my headlights, do my headlights differ in structure to the msp?
im installing sparko seats in my sedan, should i go about it different than my msp?
i have a question about changing tranny fluids for better shifting, is there a difference between my p5 and your msp?
i ordered a short shifter and bushings, will it work for the msp as well?
i need some exhaust hangers, think i could use them with the msp?
those are some pretty common questions, and they are all the same no matter what car you own.
Honestly, I don't care about any other cars but my own because I'm modding MY car. I don't think I'm superior to other mazda owners because I own a MSP, I mean it's a nice car, but nothing special, just fun. Granted looking at others mods gives ideas but if it's only specific to a MSP, I also think it would have been better to make subdivisions. it doesn't bother me one bit where you put the threads, just as long as I can find something on my car I'm happy. But it's good you guys cleaned out some of the pointless threads and are moving stuff, It was way too cluttered in this section.
I dont think intakes for msp or exhausts belong in performance. Like I said before, p5 owners don't care what intake we use because it won't apply to them. And not many msp owners will really care about p5 intakes. Not like they are interchangable. It makes far more sense for there to be a subcatagory 'performance' in the MSP section.
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i agree.
Razor I grant you all those topics. Still though, look through all the MSP threads and you will see that MOST posts are STILL model specific. The point you make is true but insignificant. These cross-model issues are not the norm on the MSP board. No system is perfect. Of course there will be some amount of double posting but it's worth it to be able to find the information where you want it.
just voicing my own opinoin, but i kinda liked all the info clumped in one rich area... as opposed to having to read and click on a bunch of diff sections now... i am usually reading on the forum and really like all the posts going on.. and yeah double posting will happen, u cant avoid it, but i don't see what this change will do; except limit posts and detract members (IMHO). i dont really know how to explain it.. as a frequent reader i jus liked all the technical/nontechnical stuff all in one place..
just my 2 cents..
just my 2 cents..
charles said:So you don't want somebody who has possibly been driving a protege long before your car was even thought up to help?
Hey again it's nothing against any other car. I'm thinking about this issue from a practical point of view. Look through the MSP topics. Although almost all of them could be put into performance, audio, appearance etc. but they are mainly MSP-specific topics. Let's face it... Although the MSP and protege and protege5 are all on the same platform they are VERY different cars with different purposes and marketed to different people. People who own MSPs are very performance-oriented. Most performance issues posed by MSP owners are MSP-specific such as CAIs, FMICS, Hesitation, Plugs etc. etc. etc. Anyway i'ts way past my bedtime. Regardless of what you guys decide to do I will go along with it and still frequent the boards. I will probably still complain though.
jrodhotrod
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PDH Audio, just wanted to say thank you! This will make searching easier and make for a more browsable forum as knowledge is shared from everyone posting in the other sections.
Crap. Not again. Matthew, most of those examples you gave on the previous page ARE MSP specific. Yes the stereo is different than in any other Protege. Yes, the cams would be different for a turbo car. Yes, the tranny fluid is much more critical in an LSD car. Etc., etc.
I'm not sifting through tons of unrelated crap to find the one MSP subject that applies to me, especially when it used to be in the proper forum, and easily found. What keeps prompting you guys to move all the topics out of MSP? Boredom, misguided sense of destiny, what?
Anything posted by a MazdaSpeed owner should be in the MazdaSpeed section, period. If there's good info about that subject somewhere else, one of us can point the poster there.
I'm not sifting through tons of unrelated crap to find the one MSP subject that applies to me, especially when it used to be in the proper forum, and easily found. What keeps prompting you guys to move all the topics out of MSP? Boredom, misguided sense of destiny, what?
Anything posted by a MazdaSpeed owner should be in the MazdaSpeed section, period. If there's good info about that subject somewhere else, one of us can point the poster there.
