About 9-11

[Red Baron]

As a fellow North American, I felt deeply touched for the loss of lives on 9-11. I knew no one that perished on this occasion, but I still felt anger as for why...

Let us think a moment about the families, and let's think of what might happen if we go to war with Saddam...

My sincere condolences to all of you who knew someone that lost his/her life a year ago.

Benske, from Canada

 

[derrick1623]

seriously, everyone be careful today, i went to punch in this morning, the whole world seemed quiet, it's not "just another day". remember how lucky we are to be free, and just stay safe!


ZOOM-ZOOM

 

[FuNwaGoN]

My deepest sympathy and thoughts go out to those impacted by Sept. 11ths tragedy. Hard to beleive a year has already passed but it just goes to show that things go own and we as a nation can and will stand together. Everyone please be extra careful today in all that you do and take a moment to thank a police officer or fireman or military personel because without these wonderful people we would not have been able to triumph over this tragedy.

 

[saided18]

I think also this day should be a day to remember to the families and victoms. We should NEVER forget what happened and who did it. I don't know about all of you but when ever i see a pic of the twin towers or drive past the site on the West Side highway my blood starts to boil and i get very pissed. Never forget.

 

[Kenp1972]

God bless everyone affected by this tragedy. I personally knew several people who were killed in the attacks, including a woman I have know for over 15 years. My own mother was injured. I am more angry today than I was a year ago. Then I was more in shock than anything. Most of my family works or lives in or around Manhattan. I live just across the river in Jersey City, NJ and my wife works in midtown Manhattan. Honestly, I can say that we are not doing enough to prevent this from happening again. Going to war with Iraq is not the answer but we have to do more here. The problem is not outside the country, they are already here. We have to take care of the problems inside the country before dealing with the external ones. These people are not done. There will be more attacks and they are always looking to top the last one. The next big thing is going to be a major city like New York, LA or London going up in a big mushroom cloud. Right now, I don't see how we can prevent it. I'm seroiusly considering moving as far away from NY as possible for my family's sake.

I'm sorry for the long post, it's a very emotional day for me.

 

[ZoomZoomH]

you know why it's so quiet today? look up in the sky: no planes, or very few of them are flying today....

and I totally agree with what's been said here, NO WAR IN IRAQ!

 

[RyanBlueP5]

you know why it's so quiet today? look up in the sky: no planes, or very few of them are flying today....

and I totally agree with what's been said here, NO WAR IN IRAQ!

Agreed, this is a sad day, but I feel I must agree with ZomZoomH that war in Iraq is not the answer. Don't be fooled, this is about oil and nothing more...

 

[Sir Nuke]

As an ex-service member.....today brings to memory many things. For those of you that do not know.....today has been officially designated by congress as "Patriot's Day" A day dedicated to ALL Patriot's.....It makes me even prouder to be an American, if that is even possible.

Just a short time ago our entire nuclear facility stopped....and observed a moment of silence at 0746 CST......it was a conclusion to an entire morning where we gathered all our employees together to remember and to refelect.......

afterwards one of my friends here ask me to come to his desk, he wanted to show me something.......through email he had recieved a URL to a tribute to all those people that were so directly effected one year ago today.....it was so beautiful and touching....I nearly started to cry. I highly encourage ALL of you that read this post to take the time to view it....

the address is : http://home.attbi.com/~sept11/

God Bless all our country, our families, friends.....our very existance.

 

[LambOfSilence]

I hope people will never forget this day, at least we know they did not sacrifice for nothing. At least I promised myself to look at tomorrow and the day after as brighter days.

War is not the answer, more killing will not change the fact that people's low tolerance for their differences is to blame. I really hope that this event will at least help other billions of people to look at themselves and rethink for a moment.

This is the day to remember...

 

[big_ben]

NO WAR IN IRAQ!

I dont agree. I say bomb them into submission, then send in the army to clean up and take over. But I was in military intelligence for 4 years so I have a biased opinion. There are several things that go on in Iraq that CNN and the rest of the world dont know about. You should think about that before you say "no war in Iraq". The citizens of Iraq will be thankfull after Sadam is gone. Trust me.

 

[Guvyp5]

As an active duty service member this day is really hard for me. I'm from NYC my whole family still lives there, both my parents saw the towers go down in person, and we have lost more than a few friends. I was in the Gulf at the time and had been away from my wife and infant son for a few months already but had no problem volunteering to go into Afghanistan to do my part. To make a long story short I have no problem punishing those that deserve it. The deaths of more than 3000 that died a year ago is being revenged. We should all do our part by never forgetting what happened.
On a seperate note, Saddam and Sept. 11 have nothing to do with one another. That whole agenda is motivated by oil and nothing more. Politics at its best if you ask me.


"We will never forget...."

 

[Sir Nuke]

I was in MILITARY INTELLIGENCE for 4 years

NOW WAIT JUST A MINUTE......we all know there is no such thing! lol


that is one of those oxymorons.

 

[ZoomZoomH]

I dont agree. I say bomb them into submission, then send in the army to clean up and take over. But I was in military intelligence for 4 years so I have a biased opinion. There are several thing that go on in the world that Iraq does that CNN and the rest of the world dont know about. You should think about that before you say "no war in Iraq". The citizens of Iraq will be thankfull after Sadam is gone. Trust me.

wait a minute, are you saying, while you were collecting military intelligence, you saw something unsettling enough that'll make you agree with Bush Jr.'s 'pre-emptive strike' position?

the reason I don't want war is because, there's no international support for it right now, if we go at it alone the consequences are unimaginable....

plus I don't like war, war destroys mankind

 

[RyanBlueP5]

As an active duty service member this day is really hard for me. I'm from NYC my whole family still lives there, both my parents saw the towers go down in person, and we have lost more than a few friends. I was in the Gulf at the time and had been away from my wife and infant son for a few months already but had no problem volunteering to go into Afghanistan to do my part. To make a long story short I have no problem punishing those that deserve it. The deaths of more than 3000 that died a year ago is being revenged. We should all do our part by never forgetting what happened.
On a seperate note, Saddam and Sept. 11 have nothing to do with one another. That whole agenda is motivated by oil and nothing more. Politics at its best if you ask me.


"We will never forget...."

Actually they do. Well you see the only reason Osama hates the states is the Gulf war.... And that was about OIL. Osama was trained by the US military to fight the russians in Afganistan why.... Well the US wanted to build an oil pipe line through Afganistan. The russians wanting to stop this, invaded.... So you see everything is about OIL.... oil oil oil.... But then again, what powers our little zoom zooms???

 

[Captain KRM P5]

This morning my entire store shut down for a few moments of silence to recognize and remember those that have fallen and those that continue to serve in the cause of defending freedom.

I have to put myself in the "pro-war" camp here. I am not an ex-serviceman nor do I have any plans on joining the military. I have spent the last four years of college studying History however and that biases me somewhat towards military action.

I won't disagree that oil is at the very least a motivator for anything we do in the middle east - it most certainly is. Even recognizing this fact, to even flirt with the idea that leaving Saddam in power in times like these is extremely questionable. Fact - Saddam assumed power through the use of murder and strong-arming. Fact - Saddam has no qualms about 'cleansing' his nation of the Kurdish population. Fact - Saddam has no qualms about testing chemical weapons on his own people. Fact - Saddam brazenly defies the resolutions of the very same United Nations we expect to solve this mess for us peacefully, violates them in order to smuggle oil in exchange for things most likely not food or medical supplies.

Two weeks ago, when war talk was at an all time high, Saddam was moving massive amounts of tanker trucks out of a so-called meat factory. Let's all be naive and assume that he's conducting an emergency evacuation of Oscar Mayers in the event of a strike.

Europe (with the exception of our stalwart allies and countrymen the English) is doing what it does best - appeasement. Appeasement did nothing for Hitler, did nothing for Milosevic and will do nothing for Hussein. You'd have thought we'd learn our lesson about these types of leaders from the Second World War. With the passing of each generation however comes a passing of realization as to the reality of such things.

I hate war. I hate violence and I hate what these things do to our society. War is not a pretty business. But sometimes liberty and the things it takes to achieve and defend it are not going to be pretty, and dirty work will have to be done. There are times where we are not going to have the luxury of sitting back and keeping our hands clean. The more we shy away from the dirty work is the next step closer to having those clean hands be tied behind our backs.

 

[big_ben]

that is one of those oxymorons

You would not believe the amount of idiots in MI.

wait a minute, are you saying, while you were collecting military intelligence, you saw something unsettling enough that'll make you agree with Bush Jr.'s 'pre-emptive strike' position?

No, not directly, but we got to read intelligence reports on Iraq or whatever other operations that were going on.

the reason I don't want war is because, there's no international support for it right now, if we go at it alone the consequences are unimaginable....

The US has to choose between the lesser of two evils. Do we do it alone now and be done with it and have the reasurance that he isn't over there stockpiling nukes. Or do we wait until he does have nuclear weapons and have to be MUCH more careful about how we take care of it. Here's an analogy for you, would you let an insane person play with a loaded gun around your kid?

plus I don't like war, war destroys mankind

See, I think that war is just like nature doing it's job. The world will NEVER be at total peace. So you have to take pre-emptive steps to stop future flare ups. Also, almost all technology we have now is a direct result of war.

WWII: DNA mapping and cloning technology, the first rocket to be able to put things into space, Turbine engines, Plastic Surgury, Harnessing the energy of the atom, must I go on.

Vietnam: Amazing satalite improvements, stealth technology, virtualy all aerospace technology.

Desert Storm: New technologys made to better control unmanned aircraft, proving the reliability of laser and video guiding systems.

edit(I can't spell shi* today)

 

[scott42]

Well stated Captain KRM P5; Ben as well.
That's all I'm saying.

Never forget.

 

[RyanBlueP5]

This morning my entire store shut down for a few moments of silence to recognize and remember those that have fallen and those that continue to serve in the cause of defending freedom.

I have to put myself in the "pro-war" camp here. I am not an ex-serviceman nor do I have any plans on joining the military. I have spent the last four years of college studying History however and that biases me somewhat towards military action.

I won't disagree that oil is at the very least a motivator for anything we do in the middle east - it most certainly is. Even recognizing this fact, to even flirt with the idea that leaving Saddam in power in times like these is extremely questionable. Fact - Saddam assumed power through the use of murder and strong-arming. Fact - Saddam has no qualms about 'cleansing' his nation of the Kurdish population. Fact - Saddam has no qualms about testing chemical weapons on his own people. Fact - Saddam brazenly defies the resolutions of the very same United Nations we expect to solve this mess for us peacefully, violates them in order to smuggle oil in exchange for things most likely not food or medical supplies.

Two weeks ago, when war talk was at an all time high, Saddam was moving massive amounts of tanker trucks out of a so-called meat factory. Let's all be naive and assume that he's conducting an emergency evacuation of Oscar Mayers in the event of a strike.

Europe (with the exception of our stalwart allies and countrymen the English) is doing what it does best - appeasement. Appeasement did nothing for Hitler, did nothing for Milosevic and will do nothing for Hussein. You'd have thought we'd learn our lesson about these types of leaders from the Second World War. With the passing of each generation however comes a passing of realization as to the reality of such things.

I hate war. I hate violence and I hate what these things do to our society. War is not a pretty business. But sometimes liberty and the things it takes to achieve and defend it are not going to be pretty, and dirty work will have to be done. There are times where we are not going to have the luxury of sitting back and keeping our hands clean. The more we shy away from the dirty work is the next step closer to having those clean hands be tied behind our backs.

I agree with you that Saddam is indeed a bad person. I do however feel that your point about sitting back is a bit off. The US was criticized for it's action during WWII because it did not aide the Jews, or Russia, Britian, France etc... It just sat back and watched country after country fall into German hands. This is a bit different. Iraq is not invading anyone. True, they may have weapons, but can you blame them. All this talk would make me a little nervous too if I were in power in Iraq. And this "dirty" work may spark WW3. The arab nations are in no mood to sit and watch the US invade every country one by one. And what is the US to do if they fight back?? Bomb everyone?? Oh and don't forget about the countries just waiting on the side lines. Eyeing the US, staring it down, just waiting for a moment of weakness... Think China... Russia... Korea... True the US is strong, but is it that strong??? Is Iraq worth it??

 

[big_ben]

Think China... Russia... Korea... True the US is strong, but is it that strong???

China: If China wants a piece of the US, we would have to go to them to fight. China is too poor a nation to transport their army over here to fight us. That war will never happen unless China's economy were to DRASTICALY improve.

Russia: They rely on us too much now and would never go to war with us. They know who the victor would be. They are also in financial ruin after the collapse of their socialist government.

Korea: Please, we beat the s*** out of them once, we can do it again but much quicker this time. We practiced this war 15 times just while I was in the military. It's called Warfighter. There is a 2 week long computerized war that takes place 3 times a year and several different military bases are involved. We have beaten them so many different ways during this excercise that our victory is almost guaranteed. But we do happen to take over 100,000 casualties before we finally stop their advancemet towards Pyongyang. Then we procede to whip them into submission. So basically what I'm trying to say is that it is a war that has already been fought many times.

And believe me, the US is that strong. There is about 1 million fewer people in the military compared to during Desert Storm. And we are still about 2 times stronger today because of the technology advancements. Mainly because of newer and better UAV's and advancements in information availability the each military leader. We have an internet based force now.

 

[RyanBlueP5]

"Korea: Please, we beat the s*** out of them once, we can do it again but much quicker this time. We practiced this war 15 times just while I was in the military. It's called Warfighter. There is a 2 week long computerized war that takes place 3 times a year and several different military bases are involved. We have beaten them so many different ways during this excercise that our victory is almost guaranteed. But we do happen to take over 100,000 casualties before we finally stop their advancemet towards Pyongyang. Then we procede to whip them into submission. So basically what I'm trying to say is that it is a war that has already been fought many times."

Beat the s*** out of them?? Ummm I guess that explains why there are still american troops standing guard at the 2Km DMZ gap between North and South Korea.... And yes, you may have played war 1000 times, but have you played war while the arab countrys stop shipping oil to the States?? Have you played war with 13 countries on your back?? Seems to me if a couple hundred tribes men can strike down the world trade centers, you should show countries a bit more respect... Seems like america has to think before they act, and get out of their ignorance bubble... I thought 9/11 showed you that you can depend on your military for everything... It's only usefull against armies. It doesn't protect you from that Al qaeda member living in your neighborhood.