77 Horsepower!

[xsivspd]

Thanks to all that replied to this thread.
The dyno results will be posted like the orignal said.
I accept that people are skeptical and that is human nature.
Psychology teaches us that people can always accept mediocrity, but people can never believe in excellence.
This all reminds me when the import drag scene all began:
Headlines all read as time went by:
'14 second 1/4 mile barrier crushed!'
'Can we see 13 broken?'
'11's here we are.'
'TEN SECOND exclusive.'
Now today, we have Shaun Carlson in his modified dodge srt-4 trying to eclipse the 7 second quarter.
What does this teach us?
That with the right parts, tuning, and most importantly - people, anything can be accomplished.
What is the importance of knowledge if it is horded - there is none!
All I, as well as others on this board (ahem... JoeP, Perfworks, Spicy, etc...) are sharing information that helps rather than hinders.

 

[laptopheaven]

What's that smell? Anyone else smell it?


Honestly, that would be 255-260 HP at the crank if i did my math right.

I think those are crank numbers. 220ish at the crank would yield about 190ish at the wheels.

 

[kwiktsi]

OK- my last argument here (probably not )-

First- most MSP owners I have spoken with all had between 4.5 and 5.5 psi, 9psi is a lot more than a 2psi gain ..

Second- gee, a full 3" exhaust will provide substantial HP gains over a stock 2-1/4" (or whatever it is) with TWO CATS and a RESONATOR- ESPECIALLY at higher boost levels

Third- while it is no Injen CAI , the K&N makes for a nice airflow increase to the turbo, it spools much quicker and it will pull harder up top..

Fourth- someone mentioned something about "not modifying fuel maps"- Hmm, lets see- you have a bad ECU that just dumps fuel above 4500 rpms regardless of airflow or air temp. Adding more airflow to that WILL modify the fuel maps- take a carbureted car and cover half the carb with the car running and then uncover it- notice a difference? Damn, and you didn't even change the "fuel maps" .. Although it is not a tuned, controllable modification of the maps, it will help greatly..

Also take into consideration the places the two cars were dynoed in addition to the mods.. One in a nice friggin 250 degree oven called California (great weather for an overly rich turbo car ) the other in that damn freezer called Canada (*GREAT* WEATHER FOR OVERLY RICH TURBO CARS!!). That alone is worth at least 20 WHP- I'd put my $$ on it!!! Now you add the mods to that equation????? Come on guys, maybe it is just the experience difference and I have seen the same results from various turbo cars, but that is not far fetched at all..
Joe

 

[JDM Sam]

250 hp is going to be easily attained from what i see at this point.

 

[Swerny]

Thanks for the clarification Joe and XVISV. I hope this is all on the up and up.

I'm interested for sure.

MS MSP #143.

p.s. It's not that cold here...it is June after all ! 17 degrees celsius.

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

woooooo!!! this is truely a great nite for me!!! tonite i found out that orange msp spanked a srt on his t3/t04 and now the magnus exhaust is yielding awesome gains. to top it all off, JOE P. isn't skeptical and sees the numbers as reality or very close to it!!! who sees 300whp?!?!

 

[kwiktsi]

Hey, I am running with the SRT-4's- where's my "attaboy" ?
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

who sees 300whp?!?! [/B]

Not the rods or the Injen CAI guys, that's for sure .. Ooooooohhh... I know I will get a "Hey look-(nuts) " for that one .
Joe

 

[orng_mazdaspeed]

hey kwiktsi do you have any pics of your K&N air filter set up

 

[kwiktsi]

No, but I will try to get some tomorrow.. It is a 6" K&N cone and I made a bracket to go from the MAF to the stud on the battery tray (one of the stock box's mounting bolts) to hold it securely. I had to make the bracket- it gave me the opportunity to play with my friends Plasma cutter .
Joe

 

[servoeyes]

Dudes...stop picking on us INJEN people, please

It's turning into parts-ism in here...this "my part's better than your part" stuff wasn't funny before...still not laughing. I know you're pissed because of supposed know-it-alls, but we all have our own reasons to get it. Other's just like to get defensive about it and don't know where their tongues should stop. Convenience, bling-factor, wads of cash falling out of pockets...whatever. Soon it's gonna turn into "oh...you're just a weekend modder, get outta here" I hope it doesn't come to that...:/

Jsut realized that was a thread jack...oops. Anywho...I'm of the mind that the temp differences and the different dynos, are what's making SUCH a big difference. That's as far as my knowledge goes though...looks good so far, though. Oh...and are their any cats in this system, or is it just straight back all the way?

 

[boostisgood]

I dont think Joe is saying his stuff is better then the Injen, hell he doesnt even have an intake in the works for the MSP, he is following the basic logic that a true CAI is not that much more beneficial then a SRI is with proper heat shielding.

Thread jacking off, now back to your regularly scheduled, "this is b.s." replies.

 

[servoeyes]

Yeah...I know how Joe's feeling about peeps in here lately...just blowing off...I get it.

As for my non thread jacked portion...what's you say? Any cats on this thing? CEL problems? Ricers trying to hump your car 'cause it looks and moves too well?

 

[boostisgood]

LMAO (upbum) on the 3 inch exhaust, if someone can fill that hole, look out John Holmes.

Yeah, we wanna know, any CEL issues ?

 

[kwiktsi]

What's that, I can't hear you over my Injen intake . Not to mention that whopping 12 hp gain is pushing my car beyond the speed of sound, you'll have to say it again tomorrow for me to hear it today ..

Hahah.. Just breaking them on you guys .
Joe

Dudes...stop picking on us INJEN people, please

It's turning into parts-ism in here...this "my part's better than your part" stuff wasn't funny before...still not laughing. I know you're pissed because of supposed know-it-alls, but we all have our own reasons to get it. Other's just like to get defensive about it and don't know where their tongues should stop. Convenience, bling-factor, wads of cash falling out of pockets...whatever. Soon it's gonna turn into "oh...you're just a weekend modder, get outta here" I hope it doesn't come to that...:/

Jsut realized that was a thread jack...oops. Anywho...I'm of the mind that the temp differences and the different dynos, are what's making SUCH a big difference. That's as far as my knowledge goes though...looks good so far, though. Oh...and are their any cats in this system, or is it just straight back all the way?

 

[kwiktsi]

LMAO (upbum) on the 3 inch exhaust, if someone can fill that hole, look out John Holmes.

Yeah, we wanna know, any CEL issues ?

You will have a CEL if you remove the cats. O2 simulators have been proven to work on many makes and models, but I have no experience with them on our cars.
Joe

 

[boostisgood]

Just didnt know if it kicked yet. The second o2 sensor is not seeing what it needs, so the Cel will throw. I wonder what the drivabilty issue will be, and if this is causing his car to run uber pig rich, or cutting fuel for emisssions purposes.

 

[kwiktsi]

I was told by a Mazda tech that it would be no difference, but I also have heard several things from different people.. I personally noticed absolutely no change in performance when the light was on due to the rear o2.. I just threw a cat on with the new exhaust to keep the car legal. Also- for those like me who end up going with a cat further back than the stock location, I *think* the MSP has an O2 wire extension on it stock, I want to take a look at it and see if it is something we can just buy one more of and extend the O2 wires more without cutting and splicing them like I did...
Joe

 

[ForceFed]

so one question still has not been answered!If they were only getting 203 HP on the first run because it hit the fuel cut then what did they do to get the extra 20 ponies on the next two pulls?
Did they come up with a fuel cut solution or something!
HMMMMM?????

 

[arkitek]

I've met xsivspd personally at a recent Mazda meet in Toronto and I can vouch that he's no bullshitter. One of the nicest guys I've met who's passion for excellence in modifying cars is kinda evident. He was nice enough to let me take his MSP out for a spin just to see what that MBC have added. Just sorta handed over the keys without questions, something I'd think twice or 3 times with a stranger somewhat.

But those numbers do look damn good.

I think the Injen would add even more to this in a real world situation. The most benefit I see is that it offers much better flow since it goes straight to the turbo instead of doing a few bends through smaller diameter stock black tubes. The air would be much cooler too also I think as a result. It starts out cool to begin with and not warmed up going through the stock tubes which is very close to the engine itself. The K&N helps but could be better. I've felt how hot the air got near the intake with a K&N when the fan is on blowing all that really hot air from the intercooler. A K&N routed away from the engine, or even better down where the Injen goes, would be much better as a result.
And that's just my 2 cents on the matter.