4 lug slotted brakes?

[LX_StreetGlow]

yeah that's my main concern, i dont wonna get pads that will destroy the rotors
these are the rotors that i got (4th ones down) http://www.car-stuff.com/performanc...3&model=290&brand=2162&part_name=78&category=

peace

 

[Hughes412]

yeah that's my main concern, i dont wonna get pads that will destroy the rotors
these are the rotors that i got (4th ones down) http://www.car-stuff.com/performanc...3&model=290&brand=2162&part_name=78&category=

peace

Hate to say it, but you waisted your money. Those are DIMPLED not drilled. The whole reason for the holes is to expel the break dust. With the dimples they can't do that. They will still work better then stock, but not my much. The slots will work to expel gases and keep the glaze off, but with out the holes your only getting half the performance.

 

[LX_StreetGlow]

true, but both have ups and downs, dimpled wont expel the break dust like drilled, and the drilled will, but also they have more chance to weaken the rotor cross section than the dimpled. the ones i ordered will be better than stock and thats what i need now

peace

 

[DiS]

on top of that, dimpled are better than cross-drilled (unless its real Brembo or Wilwood kits) because cross-drilled rotors tend to crack.

 

[LX_StreetGlow]

^^^ correct

 

[NoVa 2.0]

Well i have been following this discussion since the beginning of the thread. And still haven't determined which breaks are the best? Cross Drilled/Slotted? Can someone fill me in? I have a 4lug Protg and I'm planning on ordering new rotors this weekend. I was looking at the Brembo's that someone linked on the previous page and was probably going to go with those, but am unsure as to which type are the best to get? (uhm)

Also if i get new rotors, will the factory calipers be sufficient, or so i need new calipers as well? (dunno)

 

[Hughes412]

Well i have been following this discussion since the beginning of the thread. And still haven't determined which breaks are the best? Cross Drilled/Slotted? Can someone fill me in? I have a 4lug Protg and I'm planning on ordering new rotors this weekend. I was looking at the Brembo's that someone linked on the previous page and was probably going to go with those, but am unsure as to which type are the best to get? (uhm)

Also if i get new rotors, will the factory calipers be sufficient, or so i need new calipers as well? (dunno)

Well to put your mind at ease, the Cross-drilled and slotted rotors are the best.

DIS, its very hard to get a rotor to crack. You either have to get the supper hot (although Ive seen real auto cross cars get so hot that their rotors glow red theyre so hot, and they dont crack) or you use them so long that you have to re-cut them. Either way I doubt you would ever run your car hard enough to ever crack these rotors. I really dont think they would sell as many as they do it there was an issue with them cracking. Ive had mine on for 2 yrs with the original factory pads. Ive auto crossed my car and I tend to drive a little hard on the weekends. So I doubt you can drive hard enough to mess these things up if I havent.

And for the money, they have been the best mod to date.
Oh and I forgot to add, that's 2yrs and 30+k miles on them. Ive got 50+k on the car.

 

[NoVa 2.0]

Ok so between slotted and crossed drilled, which are the best rotors to get? And how about the calipers, will the factory calipers do? Or will i have to replace these as well?

I looked online at a few websites, and on Corksports website they had the following description about the 2 different types.

Cross Drilled Discs offer an enhanced initial bite (more responsive, especially in wet weather) and greater heat dissipation (reduction in heat induced fade - "brake fade")as compared to O.E.M. They also will last up to twice as long as O.E.M. rotors (depending on your braking style), with 40% Better Cooling, 20% better stopping, improved wet braking, reduces rotor warpage, less brake fade and longer life.


Slotted discs offer cleaning of the friction material (brake pads), but do little in terms of additional heat dissipation. Slotted brake discs do not cool better than cross drilled discs or even standard discs. The face grooves will slice the brake pad material allowing the pad to bite harder into the disc, therefore causing an increase in disc temperatures. This is recommended for competition vehicles to bring pads and disc temperatures up to optimal operating ranges. (Race cars warm-up engines, tires and brakes for the best possible performance).

 

[Hughes412]

Well look at it this way. If you are not going to get the Drilled AND Slotted rotors then go with the drilled. WHY you ask. Well the slots on the rotors are to help expell (?) the gases that occure from braking hard. The holes keep from getting the brake dust form building up. But if you think about it the holes should also get rid of the gases also. Really the slots are for cleaning the pads.

So if I had to decide from the 2, it would be the drilled.

Ok so between slotted and crossed drilled, which are the best rotors to get? And how about the calipers, will the factory calipers do? Or will i have to replace these as well?

I looked online at a few websites, and on Corksports website they had the following description about the 2 different types.

Cross Drilled Discs offer an enhanced initial bite (more responsive, especially in wet weather) and greater heat dissipation (reduction in heat induced fade - "brake fade")as compared to O.E.M. They also will last up to twice as long as O.E.M. rotors (depending on your braking style), with 40% Better Cooling, 20% better stopping, improved wet braking, reduces rotor warpage, less brake fade and longer life.


Slotted discs offer cleaning of the friction material (brake pads), but do little in terms of additional heat dissipation. Slotted brake discs do not cool better than cross drilled discs or even standard discs. The face grooves will slice the brake pad material allowing the pad to bite harder into the disc, therefore causing an increase in disc temperatures. This is recommended for competition vehicles to bring pads and disc temperatures up to optimal operating ranges. (Race cars warm-up engines, tires and brakes for the best possible performance).

 

[Hughes412]

Slotted discs offer cleaning of the friction material (brake pads), but do little in terms of additional heat dissipation. Slotted brake discs do not cool better than cross drilled discs or even standard discs. The face grooves will slice the brake pad material allowing the pad to bite harder into the disc, therefore causing an increase in disc temperatures. This is recommended for competition vehicles to bring pads and disc temperatures up to optimal operating ranges. (Race cars warm-up engines, tires and brakes for the best possible performance).

For the most part they are right here. But the thing they forgot to say is that the rotors that you are going to be getting are champfered (or the edges are smoothend). This will keep the slotts from slicing anything off. That's why I have so many miles on my pads.

 

[NoVa 2.0]

For the most part they are right here. But the thing they forgot to say is that the rotors that you are going to be getting are champfered (or the edges are smoothend). This will keep the slotts from slicing anything off. That's why I have so many miles on my pads.

So it sounds like the Cross Drilled are better than the Slotted then. Thanks for the help!(thumb)

 

[LX_StreetGlow]

ok guys, I got my EBC rotors and i wanna put em on in the next 2 weeks, perhaps u can help me choose which pads to get,

these are the two from EBC

EBC Red Stuff Ceramic - Front Brake Pad Set, Red Stuff Ceramic, For Highly Tuned And High Horsepower Cars, Best For Fast Street Driving and Heavy Duty Braking. Pads Feature Centre Line Slots To Prevent Cracking, Edge Chamfers To Reduce Noise. Up To 50% Less Dust Than Standard Pads. EBCs New Brake In Coating Which Cleans Up Rotors And Accelerates Pad Break In. For Race Use Use EBC Yellow Pads. Also For This Application Try EBC Sport Rotor Part Number GD7119. $80

EBC Ultimax Series - Front Brake Pad Set, Ultimax Series, New Ultimax Range From EBC Is A Premium Grade OEM Plus Replacement Pad With Part Metallic Content That Provides High Initial Brake Effect And Greatly Reduces Chances Of Brake Vibration, Pads Feature Centre Line Slots To Prevent Cracking, Edge Chamfers To Reduce Noise And EBCs New Brake-In Coating Which Cleans Up Rotors And Accelerates Pad Break In, Suitable For All Cars SUV And Light Trucks, Up To 30% Less Dust Than Standard Pads. $30

if you guys recomend anyother pads let me know, but as long as they dont eat away my rotors quick.

thx

peace

 

[NoVa 2.0]

Where did you order your EBC Rotors from? I was looking on Protg Garage and they say those rotors are only for the Protg5 and ES?

 

[mickeyreategui]

get the ebc green pads, it think those are the ones for everyday driving.

 

[LX_StreetGlow]

Where did you order your EBC Rotors from? I was looking on Protg Garage and they say those rotors are only for the Protg5 and ES?

i got mine from car-stuff.com $140 shipped, or u can ask ken at protegegarage they will be same price as those u looked at for P5 and ES

get the ebc green pads, it think those are the ones for everyday driving.

yeah i need some for daily driving, but i also do some heavy brakin i'm a rally/autox kinda guy
one thing tho when i got my rotors and on the box theres the whole info about the rotors and they recomend EBC RED Stuff, and also When u look at the EBC red stuff pads they also say they go great with EBC Sport Rotors, which i got.... but i'll look at the green stuff to and check em out.

peace

 

[NoVa 2.0]

i got mine from car-stuff.com $140 shipped, or u can ask ken at protegegarage they will be same price as those u looked at for P5 and ES


yeah i need some for daily driving, but i also do some heavy brakin i'm a rally/autox kinda guy
one thing tho when i got my rotors and on the box theres the whole info about the rotors and they recomend EBC RED Stuff, and also When u look at the EBC red stuff pads they also say they go great with EBC Sport Rotors, which i got.... but i'll look at the green stuff to and check em out.

peace

Oh ok word, you know i actually ordered mine on Friday from the same website. It was like $222.35 with Rotors and Pads. I ended up getting the EBC sport rotors with the RED pads as well. Can't beat the free shipping as well! (breakn)

 

[Ripper323]

On a scale of 1 to 10 about a 7-8. And there are no 4 lug rear disc's so you'll have to do all 4 corners and go 5 lug. Which that will also mean new wheels.
So in all at least a grand.

Hey guys, just for your info, here in Australia the last of the Astinas (P5) which were designated BJ11-J48, with a 1.8L engine, came with disc rear brakes that were 4 lug. They were only a solid disc however, and I think they are pretty much the same size in diameter as the fronts. Might be something worth thinking about if you don't want to go 5 lug conversion.

 

[LX_StreetGlow]

Oh ok word, you know i actually ordered mine on Friday from the same website. It was like $222.35 with Rotors and Pads. I ended up getting the EBC sport rotors with the RED pads as well. Can't beat the free shipping as well! (breakn)

yeah i'm gonna get Red stuff too... but i'll have to wait till next week to put them on, this saturday i'm going to a meet and i'll be doing a bit of "extreme driving", and u're suppose to let them break in..... let me know how they work out

peace

 

[NoVa 2.0]

Yea i'll be sure to keep you posted. I looked at getting the green pads, but for $5.00 more you could get the Red Stuff LOL

 

[DiS]

Hey guys, just for your info, here in Australia the last of the Astinas (P5) which were designated BJ11-J48, with a 1.8L engine, came with disc rear brakes that were 4 lug. They were only a solid disc however, and I think they are pretty much the same size in diameter as the fronts. Might be something worth thinking about if you don't want to go 5 lug conversion.

oh no s***! Can you possibly find out how much are those rotors along with the hubs and whatever is needed for the convertion?