3rd gen AWD discussion

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Interesting...It'll be neat to see how it all comes together.

Now back to the other topics in this thread...J/K

 

[freekwonder]

Ok back to the AWD discussion. Corksport has assured me that they have an AWD manual transmission in stock. The AWD SP20 only came in auto trans...BUT no one seems to remember the AWD 626 that they sold in the late 1990's that was available in manual trans. Corksport is still looking for a driveshaft and a gas tank for me. All of the other parts that we need have been located. The A-spec chassis shouldn't have any problems accepting the driveshaft. If you look under the car there is already a large tunnel where the exhaust runs. I'll keep everyone updated on the status and probably do a lengthy how-to when this all comes together.

sweet, keep us updated. if this is fesable ill keep my car. but from your message it sounds like you guys already have the rear end figured out (ie, diff, suspension, axles) is that true. just a matter of drive shaft (cant you just get one made, or get the driveshaft from the 626 cut) and hell why not just do a fuel cell in the trunk?

 

[xelderx]

The driveshaft out of the SP20 should still work. I still want the gas tank from the SP20 since it will hold a little more fuel and stay out of my way for a speaker install.

 

[reeves_toy]

so not to pry, how much money are you looking at spending? i figure you must have a good idea if you've located almost everything you need.

 

[mp3moose]

AWD was only available in the 1.5 liter engine, not the 2.0. So you might have better luck fabricating your own AWD set up rather than modding the 1.5 to fit.
Moose

 

[xelderx]

Corksport hasn't set a price yet. I'm hoping I can work a deal since no one in the USA has tried it yet and I told Corksport that I would do a good write-up about it. The AWD manual transmission that they had was mounted to a J-spec 2.0L a while back and they didn't want to seperate them but I told them I didn't want the motor since I would be going FI. So I know it will bolt right up to the FS-DE. Its just a matter of time now.

 

[TheMAN]

you guys keep getting confused OVER AND OVER again

for the last time:
FWD Sport20 ONLY comes with AUTOMATIC
4WD Sport20 comes with MANUAL and CAN get AUTOMATIC

why the hell do you want to do this swap anyway? you have to hack up a bunch of s*** and it will NEVER be the same car

plus the car will be slowER and heaviER

and while we're at it, lets make the car FAIL the M3 test! Yup, it costs WAY more than an M3 just to be "special"

hell if you want to be "special", go buy a GT-R for christ sakes!

 

[mp3moose]

I was quote about 7K from corksport for the parts alone. I don't think I would venture 7K just for a drivetrain, but its noble to try I guess.
moose

 

[xelderx]

Yea...you know MAN...your right.

I thought I took care of you on the last AWD thread before someone deleted it. Ummm... yea its a little heavier. Yea, its a little slower...until you put a ******* Spoolin stage4 turbo on it. I wish to hell and back you would stay out of this thread. You have absolutely nothing of importance to say here. You have no idea what I'm going to have to "hack up". You have no idea how much this is going to cost me. You haven't caught on that I'll be doing the entire swap in my own garage and have every tool I'll need at my disposal including a couple of machine shops and some really good fabricators just in case I have to make the channel in the floor a little bigger. The only thing I'll have to spend money on is the parts and my own time. Christ dude...you have a really good FAQ that helps a lot of people...but you need to be a little more positive about people trying new things.

AWD drivetrain---$7,000
Stage4 turbo---$5,700
Having a 300+ hp AWD Mazda stationwagon---Priceless

 

[TheMAN]

this is a public forum and I will post my damn opinion in whatever thread I want.. if you don't want to read the truth, then don't read it and go live in your bliss

"a little heavier"

yeah, right now your protege 5 weights a porky 2700lbs right? guess how much the MANUAL transmission equiped sport20 weights? 3000lbs... and you know 3000lbs is 1.5tons right? and what is involved in propelling this fat woman through the quarter mile FAST?

I DO know what's involved in doing the swap
as I said before... you have to swap the gas tank, redo the floor pan, swap the WHOLE rear suspension, swap the engine mounts, REDO the shifter linkage, REDO the ECU, and of course swap the tranny

THATS JUST THE BEGINING

and yeah, thats nice if you can put that turbo on

just HOPE your tranny doesn't grenade because "AWD" does not equate to "performance"

why was the AWD sport20 sold in the first place? for COLD weather TRACTION purposes

good lord, when will people understand that this car is NOT a ******* race car?

 

[TheMAN]

and here is your deleted awd thread

 

[xelderx]

Ah sweet...I thought that thread went bye bye...

this was my favorite part.


this took way too long to type

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just give up
IT CANNOT BE DONE
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Ah...words of encouragement..spoken like a true enthusiast. If everybody thought like that we would be driving neons because anything cooler would just be impossible.



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the 4WD Sport20's floor pan is COMPLETELY different
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I've looked under there. There is room and if its in the way you cut it, move it, and relocate it. Believe me I've spent hours under my car looking, and considering.

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the engine mounts are different
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Hmm...seems to me that the AWD transmission had the same J-spec motor bolted to it that fits in all the Proteges. Anyway...I know what a welder looks like.

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the suspension is completely different
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Its 35mm shorter...I'm not sure about the mounting, but I'm sure if Corksport can find the parts..UPS can find my house.

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the tranny is different
the gas tank is different
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I guess its a good thing I'll be getting those straight from Japan then isn't it.

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the seat rails are different
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This is the least of my worries...and I'm sure that the Japanese aren't sitting on buckets. This stuff isn't on another planet.

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the shifter is different
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Yep but the hole where it mounts is exactly the same.

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the fuel system is different
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So it has an extra fuel pump that pumps gas from one side of the split gas tank to the other...ooohhh..rocket science.

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the emissions system is different
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I could care less...the person that inspects my emission system can just stick the probe up another car's pipe and print me a sticker.

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the exhaust system is different
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Oh man...I forgot...no one in the world knows how to bend pipes and weld brackets.

You can push the limits of what is possible with mirrors and motor mounts...I'm doing something else.


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[xelderx]

just HOPE your tranny doesn't grenade because "AWD" does not equate to "performance"

Going an hour south to Charlotte to get the internals Cryoed...that should help.

why was the AWD sport20 sold in the first place? for COLD weather TRACTION purposes

So using it for warm weather traction just won't work? Wrong Answer...next question Alex

good lord, when will people understand that this car is NOT a ******* race car?

I said the same thing about that stock "looking" neon at the track the other day...till it ran a 9.00 flat in the 1/8th. And to think they used to say that man would never fly.

 

[BioSehnsucht]

So with all that how many times did you fail the M3 test on a single car? I mean, after you get all that done, you gotta make it actually go fast too, which is a whole nother problem. Sure, its got those 170hp or so, but you're not going stupid fast without de-everythinging everything that makes it special (motor-wise) so you can turbo it, cause you're not gonna get much faster NA, AND, it may be ~170hp but with alot more luggage to cart around than the old stocker had on a mint USDM car..

is it to be special? "special" has many meanings, you know..

 

[xelderx]

I'm kinda following what you are saying there BioSehnsucht...but somewhere around the "de-everythinging everything" part I get lost. Not flaming at all, I just want to understand what you had going on.

 

[snowman4us]

o have thought of this thouthands of times....
but i dont like the way that the engine sits w/ AWD. becouse of it sitting sideways insead of backwards(subaru engines) w/ the fly wheel sitting in the back of the engine insead of the right side...if u want AWD u go w/ STi...

 

[Midnight22]

holy ******* s***, wtf is going on here, a lets flame xelderx thread here? leave the guy alot fucktards, let him do his own thing, s***, this has got to be the most bs thread i've ever seen, itz not gonna work, it cant be done, ur cars gonna be heavier, awd dosnt equate faster, who the **** cares? i know i dont, when i bought this car i knew it wasnt a sports car, but damn the handling was sure as hell fine, if i wanted a god damn sports car i would have bought one, but i didnt, u see, i bought this car cuz i liked the way it handled, i bought this car cuz i liked the way it felt, i wish it had awd, i wish it had more power but it dosnt and i still bought it, cuz i liked the car, so xelderx doin the awd swap has me interested, cuz itz something that if it works out im gonna do, cuz it appeals to me, maybe not to u fuckheads but it does to me, so if u dont have any interest in it, do like u did to all the other cars u didnt buy, ignore them, aka, dont pay any attention, if it dosnt work, s*** it dosnt work, o well, lesson learned, hell, nobody thought civics would ever be a contender in drag racing, yet venom has one that has won several races, well damn, i guess venom did the imposible then huh? well y cant xelderx, hes gonna do it the way he wants to and im with him on it, hell if he needs help i'll help in anyway i can, what does it mean to be a car enthusiast? to be into cars, and respect what other people do to cars, to drive cuz u like to drive, to mod ur car and make it a car u truly like, personally i dont think itz fun to buy a really powerful car and mod it, no point, thats y i dont own a stupid skyline, u want a skyline, quit ur bitchn and get one, that way u go to another forum and i dont have to listen to ur s***, now y dont yall bug the **** off cuz all of yall r full of s*** about being car enthusiasts cuz the way ur acting sure as hell dont define one... asswipes

 

[uclap5]

i second that motion.

 

[twilightprotege]

yeah this thread went the wrong way that's for sure. i was quite interested in it....too much to read now

anyway, any aussie stuff, ask me.

xelderx, pls dont refer to the sport20 as the sp20. the sp20 is the aussie version

next. a LHD awd p5 will be difficult, not impossible, but difficult. RHD much easier.

there are NO awd p5's in australia. trust me. australian laws dont allow cars that are sold here to be imported....we get the skylines because they arent sold here. same with supra's and s13 silvias. there were never sold here.

 

[Iconoclast]

your gonna add some unnesecary weight and the amount of money you will have to spend is gonna be staggering, really.

the benefit wont come near the cost bro- but hey, more power to ya!