25 shot

i like how scared the average msp owner is of nitrous, but most of them turn the boost up waaaaaay too high.

"i won't use nitrous since it could destroy my engine, but i will run 15 psi which is the same amount that blew almost every fs-de on here"

just a little slice of irony for everyone.
 
i like how scared the average msp owner is of nitrous, but most of them turn the boost up waaaaaay too high.

"i won't use nitrous since it could destroy my engine, but i will run 15 psi which is the same amount that blew almost every fs-de on here"

just a little slice of irony for everyone.

Yeah - the stuff is quite safe, IF you do it properly. Back out the timing as required, put the fogger where its meant to go, and be intelligent about HOW MUCH gas you are pushing in. On the Australian version of the motor I'd be quite confident in saying 50 to 55 shot would be more than safe (having crewed for Twilight, and assisted in setting up and tuning his nitrous for a full season of racing), NA. On an NA american engine (which has slightly lower compression and thus a little better resistance to detonation), you could probably get away with 60, or maybe even 70 hp.. boosted, you're going to want to forge the motor if you are running huge boost.

Which ever way you go, you're going to want control of ignition timing, and a good tune. This means a standalone is HIGHLY recommended when running nitrous oxide. People who use a stock computer, with large amounts of boost, and try to feed a 75hp shot into the engine are only asking for trouble....
 
We don't use a "window" switch (window switch turns on at a given RPM, then back off, the nitrous in Twilights setup runs all the way through to red line). His system is set up to allow his microtech to activate the nitrous so long as the engine speed is above the activation RPM.

So his nitrous sprays through shifting? or is it setup on a WOT switch?
 
So his nitrous sprays through shifting? or is it setup on a WOT switch?

WOT switch yes... but a window switch turns the Nitrous on at a threshold RPM, then back off at another RPM...so you can have a "window" of nitrous. Its common on VERY large turbo drag cars, with small capacity engines - the nitrous is used to help get the boost building on a turbo that would otherwise never be spooled on such a small engine.

Twilight's setup has 3 activation switches - a master arm, the WOT switch, and the RPM activation output on the microtech - if any one of those 3 is not on, the system wont activate...

because he's never under the required RPM to activate it, its always spraying - except during shifts.
 
window switch basically means that you have a certain band that you can spray or that it will be set to spray. WOT switch is a little different than a window switch. WOT will allow you to spray when you are at WOT, while a window will only let you spray at certain bands. the benefit to the window would be to tune for nitrous and keep the stress down by only spraying at certain times. basically, having a required RPM to activate.

the system that lordworm is talking about would have it's advantages in tuning for nitrous and for always having a power adder. it sounds rough, but it is probably the safest way to do it, since you could tune for it the same way you would tune for boost. the disadvantage is that i wouldn't let anyone drive my car again if i built it that way.
 
window switch basically means that you have a certain band that you can spray or that it will be set to spray. WOT switch is a little different than a window switch. WOT will allow you to spray when you are at WOT, while a window will only let you spray at certain bands. the benefit to the window would be to tune for nitrous and keep the stress down by only spraying at certain times. basically, having a required RPM to activate.

the system that lordworm is talking about would have it's advantages in tuning for nitrous and for always having a power adder. it sounds rough, but it is probably the safest way to do it, since you could tune for it the same way you would tune for boost. the disadvantage is that i wouldn't let anyone drive my car again if i built it that way.

The tune doesn't really change though, since its a wet system. Both a microtech input, and output are used to operate the system..

The complete logic of the circuit is:

(IF) master arm switch (AND) wot switch (AND) microtech output RPM trigger switch are all on (THEN)
Provide power to microtech input so that the microtech can back out the required timing (AND) activate the fuel and nitrous solenoids.

That is to say, that if any of the arming switches in the circuit are still open - the nitrous will not activate - and the tune will be identical to his regular daily driven NA tune.

The "tuning" in this system is done via the nitrous and fuel jets - the nitrous is saturated with fuel in the fogger, at the correct A/F ratio - and squirted into the plenum, where it is drawn into the runners and mixed with the normal injected fuel. Twilight has his jetted marginally on the rich side for safety.

The one rather scary thing about this set up is that you don't really have a great deal of control over when/how the nitrous comes on...once the circuit is fully closed its on - and if you're not expecting it, it can be a handful. I remember driving it out at the roads behind the airport to help tune it...and wasn't expecting the kick in the guts at 4000rpm.... its nothing like a turbo set up - turbos you get a "ramp" of power - nitrous is just there, immediately...

The only part of the tune that ever really needs to change on a nitrous set up is the removal of 2 to 4 degrees of timing for ever 50hp shot of nitrous.

Back on the subject of window switches etc - a window switch is usually used in conjunction with a WOT switch, because its not overly safe to run nitrous at partial throttle - window switches, RPM activation switches (what Twilight uses) or push button switches generally just control the turning on of the gas, when the other switches in the system are active. The RPM activation method is probably best thought of as an "open ended window" switch - theres no upper deactivation threshold. The only advantage it has over pushing the button manually is the predictable, consistent activation of the nitrous which is CRITICAL for consistent ET's in dial-your-own handycap racing - nitrous activated by a manual push button is notoriously inconsistent...the set up Twilight is running has basically dropped his PB ET by half a second, with no impact what-so-ever on his consistency.
 
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Sub i wouldnt mind a bit of nos one day lol. Wonder if the haltech is compatible for nos.
 
necro!
Haltech is compatable with it. Just get a wet system and wire an input to back out timing. Easy.

Subbing to dead threads isn't really productive - if you have specific questions, start something new.
 
I know but I'm on the phone and computer o.o.s so it is the easiest way to sub. A lot of times I can't click on what I want either I read and reply to pms via email.
 
there are only 4 reasons i can think of to run nitrous in protege. all of them would involve you already owning the nitrous kit and having the ability to add fuel to compensate for the nitrous from another build. otherwise you would just spend the money on building your car properly in the first place and would not need the function/cost of the nitrous .

1. you have a large turbo and need it to help with spool time. (IE you run a 50 shot UNTIL the turbocharger has hit max boost.)
2. you have a very poor intercoooler and a nitrous kit sitting there, so you decide to run the n2o post IC ((if you didnt already have the n2o kit sitting there you would just buy a good IC to begin with)
3. you use the n2o with a spray bar to cool down your intercooler between runs.
4. you dont own a turbo but want a quick protege for the weekend and you already have an upgraded clutch and fuel control

the fifth reason would be the desire to live in a real world f & f style scenerio where you live your life a 1/4 mile at a time, but I dont think its an official reason for the initial list.
 
there are only 4 reasons i can think of to run nitrous in protege. all of them would involve you already owning the nitrous kit and having the ability to add fuel to compensate for the nitrous from another build. otherwise you would just spend the money on building your car properly in the first place and would not need the function/cost of the nitrous .

1. you have a large turbo and need it to help with spool time. (IE you run a 50 shot UNTIL the turbocharger has hit max boost.)
2. you have a very poor intercoooler and a nitrous kit sitting there, so you decide to run the n2o post IC ((if you didnt already have the n2o kit sitting there you would just buy a good IC to begin with)
3. you use the n2o with a spray bar to cool down your intercooler between runs.
4. you dont own a turbo but want a quick protege for the weekend and you already have an upgraded clutch and fuel control

the fifth reason would be the desire to live in a real world f & f style scenerio where you live your life a 1/4 mile at a time, but I dont think its an official reason for the initial list.

pretty much...though technically you don't need fuel control with a wet system (why you'd go with a dry system is beyond me)....timing control is more critical.

Nitrous is cheap thrills, and remarkably easy to setup... but the cost of recharging the bottle every time you want to play is ridiculous.
 
Actually there is a guy local to me runing stock boost with a 50 shot on stock ecu. I believe he uses a meth injection as well though
 
Actually there is a guy local to me runing stock boost with a 50 shot on stock ecu. I believe he uses a meth injection as well though

its doable on a wet system (the jetting takes care of the extra fuel for you), but I'd still not recommend it. I'd hazard a guess he's using meth injection in place of timing reduction....but having absolute timing control would be safer I'd think
 

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