2024 CX-5 Getting New Transmission Fluid

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2017 Mazda 6 Sport
ATF-A7

It's already being used in Mazdas Skyactive X vehicles and the CX90

https://kemi.is/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/TOTAL-MAZDA-ORIGINAL-OIL-ATF-A7-TDS.pdf

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2023/MC-10243560-0001.pdf


A New Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF-A7) is being used for some 2023 and 2024 models. ATF-A7 is an extremely
low viscosity formulation with low friction to achieve best-in-class fuel economy and driving performance.
For easy identification, ATF-A7 is colored Red and ATF-FZ is colored Blue.•
There is NO interchangeability between ATF-A7 and ATF-FZ.
 
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Low viscosity to help with mpg? Hmmm, sounds like the lie thats been swallowed hook line and sinker that 0w-20 is a good thing. Good for mpg maybe but not doing your engine any favors
 
Low viscosity to help with mpg? Hmmm, sounds like the lie thats been swallowed hook line and sinker that 0w-20 is a good thing. Good for mpg maybe but not doing your engine any favors
Well, it's transmission fluid so I don't think it's going to hurt or help the engine :cool:
 
Not just CX-90 and unavailable in the US SkyActiv-X, many others have affected including CX-5:

APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS:

2024 CX-90 (MHEV and PHEV)
2024 CX-5 [2.5L (US spec only) and 2.5T]
2023-2024 Mazda3 (2.5L with cylinder deactivation only) 2023-2024 CX-30 (2.5L with cylinder deactivation only)

NOTE:

• For 2023-2024 Mazda3 and CX-30 2.5L without cylinder deactivation and 2.5T, the ATX still uses ATF-FZ.
• To identify vehicles with cylinder deactivation, examine the 8th digit of the VIN.
○ L: 2.5L without cylinder deactivation
○ M: 2.5L with cylinder deactivation


It’d cause a heck of confusion for Mazda owners! 🤔
 
Not just CX-90 and unavailable in the US SkyActiv-X, many others have affected including CX-5:

APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS:

2024 CX-90 (MHEV and PHEV)
2024 CX-5 [2.5L (US spec only) and 2.5T]
2023-2024 Mazda3 (2.5L with cylinder deactivation only) 2023-2024 CX-30 (2.5L with cylinder deactivation only)

NOTE:

• For 2023-2024 Mazda3 and CX-30 2.5L without cylinder deactivation and 2.5T, the ATX still uses ATF-FZ.
• To identify vehicles with cylinder deactivation, examine the 8th digit of the VIN.
○ L: 2.5L without cylinder deactivation
○ M: 2.5L with cylinder deactivation


It’d cause a heck of confusion for Mazda owners! 🤔
Maybe, let's see when the first complaint comes out out when a Mazda dealership puts it in the wrong vehicle.
 
Low viscosity to help with mpg? Hmmm, sounds like the lie thats been swallowed hook line and sinker that 0w-20 is a good thing. Good for mpg maybe but not doing your engine any favors
They probably had the same talking points with the other versions.
 
A7 is a new base formula that brings the fluid more in line to the ultra low viscosity fluids that the industry is moving towards and is now close to Mercon ULV and GM Dexron ULV on viscosity rating. It does not offer any less protection vs a thicker fluid as transmission fluid operates significantly different than engine oil. A thinner more stable fluid allows less aeration and expansion as temperature inside the transmission changes. Again this is not a scary change but allows the transmission to have more consistent operation. This allows the friction modifier package to also be more stable so the holding capacity of a specific clutch set does not change as much throughout its operating range.
 
A7 is a new base formula that brings the fluid more in line to the ultra low viscosity fluids that the industry is moving towards and is now close to Mercon ULV and GM Dexron ULV on viscosity rating. It does not offer any less protection vs a thicker fluid as transmission fluid operates significantly different than engine oil. A thinner more stable fluid allows less aeration and expansion as temperature inside the transmission changes. Again this is not a scary change but allows the transmission to have more consistent operation. This allows the friction modifier package to also be more stable so the holding capacity of a specific clutch set does not change as much throughout its operating range.
I really don’t believe Mazda has made any major changes on those SkyActiv-Drive 6-speed transmissions used on 2023 ~ 2024 CX-5、CX-30、and Mazda3 to accommodate this new ATF-A7. So why those transmissions have to use ATF-A7, but others can’t according to the Service Alert?

Or why can’t Mazda make the ATF-A7 backward compatible to ATF FZ?
 
I really don’t believe Mazda has made any major changes on those SkyActiv-Drive 6-speed transmissions used on 2023 ~ 2024 CX-5、CX-30、and Mazda3 to accommodate this new ATF-A7. So why those transmissions have to use ATF-A7, but others can’t according to the Service Alert?

Or why can’t Mazda make the ATF-A7 backward compatible to ATF FZ?
The majority of the internals are the same, there are some changes but nothing mechanically that would preclude using it. The difference is due to how the fluid operates. When a transmission is cold to achieve a certain shift speed, TCC operation and clutch apply time the amount of pressure required to make those things happen is different throughout a fluids operating temperature. Thicker fluid requires more pressure vs a thinner fluid. So in this instance using a thinner fluid in an older transmission that is going to be asking for more pressure than the fluid needs to make a shift when cold would cause harsh and misapplied shifts. If using a thicker fluid in a transmission that requires a thin fluid it often causes a "flared" shift because the flow rates are different. If Mazda were to back service with the fluid it is very likely that older TCM programming would exhibit incorrect behavior with the different fluid. That would also require new programming to roll out for the older units. Its just not worth an OEMs time to do with some rare exceptions like GM with the 8L90. The 24 CX-5 2.5t uses a new TCM program vs the 23 for example.

The other concern you can run into with the wrong fluid being used is its coefficient of friction. During a shift you are contending with "dynamic" vs "static" coefficient of friction. Dynamic is how the friction changes during a shift vs static being once the clutch set is fully applied. Shudder concerns can happen with the dynamic coefficient of friction is incorrect for the friction material that is being used. There have been a few friction material updates throughout the Skys life up to this point. Sometimes Mazda just changes things to be Mazda.
 
The majority of the internals are the same, there are some changes but nothing mechanically that would preclude using it. The difference is due to how the fluid operates. When a transmission is cold to achieve a certain shift speed, TCC operation and clutch apply time the amount of pressure required to make those things happen is different throughout a fluids operating temperature. Thicker fluid requires more pressure vs a thinner fluid. So in this instance using a thinner fluid in an older transmission that is going to be asking for more pressure than the fluid needs to make a shift when cold would cause harsh and misapplied shifts. If using a thicker fluid in a transmission that requires a thin fluid it often causes a "flared" shift because the flow rates are different. If Mazda were to back service with the fluid it is very likely that older TCM programming would exhibit incorrect behavior with the different fluid. That would also require new programming to roll out for the older units. Its just not worth an OEMs time to do with some rare exceptions like GM with the 8L90. The 24 CX-5 2.5t uses a new TCM program vs the 23 for example.

The other concern you can run into with the wrong fluid being used is its coefficient of friction. During a shift you are contending with "dynamic" vs "static" coefficient of friction. Dynamic is how the friction changes during a shift vs static being once the clutch set is fully applied. Shudder concerns can happen with the dynamic coefficient of friction is incorrect for the friction material that is being used. There have been a few friction material updates throughout the Skys life up to this point. Sometimes Mazda just changes things to be Mazda.
Really appreciate your explanation! (y)
 
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