2009 Mazda5 Pioneer AVH-P4300 DVD Dimmer Control Issue

tefloncandi

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2009 Mazda5
I have recently purchased and had a stereo shop install a double din Pioneer AVH-P4300 DVD unit and they cannot get the units light to dim from the dimmer switch. Today they told me that it is impossible to dim it because the car has a positive output and the unit a negative output. I think that this is "Horse S_ _ _ t....!!!
Can some one point me in the right direction so that I can fix this issue, the stereo's light is too bright for night driving.

Thank you,
 
So does the head unit need to see a ground instead of power to initiate dim setting? I'm sure it can be done with a working knowledge of electronics. Perhaps a relay to convert one type of input to another. I am going to assume you took it to a chain store with mostly inept installers who just know how to turn out installs, but not trouble shoot. I would take it to a custom stereo shop and see if they can troubleshoot a workaround at hourly electrical manhours (usually $75-$100 an hour). If you know how to work with electronics and know your way around a multi-meter, you could try getting some advice from a dedicated car audio forum who may know an exact work around for making your own dimmer output.
 
It should have a switchable positive or negative ground. Also, dimmer should tap right into the dimmer switch wire, it's behind the dimmer slider. It might be hard to get to however, maybe the shop was lazy...
 
I swear the Mz5 is an NA Miata that was stretched, WWD (wrong wheel drive), and wearing a modern suite!... EDIT: I know, this prob a Mazda thing but early Miata and Mz5 share do a lot of the same quirks. You would think they sort it out after all these years..

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=364132
It's unusually lucky for light-dimming to variably work properly with an aftermarket radio that provides only one variable light-dimming control input.

That's because the Miata's light dimming control signal is an inverted one. It's customary for aftermarket radios with only one variable light-dimming control input to be set up for a non-inverted control signal that many other cars use. There are some aftermarket radios that have two variable light-dimming control inputs, one for an inverted control signal from the car, and another input for a non-inverted one.

It's that less common inverting input that's needed for Miatas. Without that inverting input when the Miata's dash dimming control sets the car's dash lights brighter, the aftermarket radio's lighting would become dimmer, instead of brighter along with the car's dash lights, and ashtray light.

Nevertheless reversed adjustable brilliance lighting operation, it may be possible to produce an illusion of adequate operations. That's because when the Miata's dash dimmer control is set, for example, to half dash-light brilliance, the opposite light-brilliance response from the aftermarket radio may also be at its point of half brilliance too (or possibly at least close enough to be usably dimmed).

The NA Miata's TNS (The Nighttime Signal) is the red/black wiring, and the dimming signal's is the red wiring, both at the dash dimmer control (and also at the ashtray light). When the Miata's dash light dimming control is not adequate for dimming an aftermarket radio's lighting, the Miata's TNS signal might be suitable for switching in the aftermarket radio's night lighting mode.

The Miata's TNS signal is +12V with its nighttime selection (i.e., with parking lights turned on). The Miata's dimming signal approximates +0V when the dash dimmer is set to brightest, and approximates +12V when set dimmest. However, that's given just for simply comprehending. The Miata's dash dimming signal is not actually voltage variable. Instead, the Miata's dimming signal is a variable pulsed-width one that adjusts electrical pulses of variable durations for the appearance of light dimming.

For NA Miata's, lighting for aftermarket accessories can conditionally be wired between that red/black and red wiring for adjustable lighting brilliance that properly works. That's not always the case, for example, when the aftermarket accessory's lighting includes a common ground. It's routine for lighted aftermarket accessories to have a common ground for their lighting, including an electrical ground the may be established by mounting the accessory to the car. Given enough effort for physical reconstruction, that common grounding can most times be eliminated.

Here's a link to a recent Thread related to Miata light dimming:
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=363009
Jeff Anderson is the residential and undisputed audio snob (said in a friendly gesture) who has help me and many others. If you’ve owned an NA Miata, you know Jeff.
 
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I hope you got this fixed up by now! But when I was faced with putting the AVH-3400 in my Mazda 5 the dimmer/illumination confusion came up too.

I call Pioneer support and they said the input the 3400 HU was looking for was 12V to dim the HU display... which is, basically, an illumination signal not variable voltage dimmer signal. Nothing is switchable in the unit... unless it will et you set the dimmed brighness brighter than the un-dimmed and would still give you revesed direction dimming... I'll have to try that and report back.

My Mazda 5 only has an illumination, no variable voltage [ forward (0-12V) or reverse (12-0V) ] dimming, but I suspect the AVH HUs would be forward voltage for increased dimming. Converting a reverse to a forward dimming signal might be done with Radio Shack transistor and some resistors.
 
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