2008.5 MAZDASPEED3 - Now in CRYSTAL WHITE and METROPOLITAN GRAY

[chowhoundMSP]

Called the 3 closest speed dealerships and confirmed that all are not offering s-plan pricing on the speed3.

 

[GhostMercury]

what....i called mazda na and they said there should be no problem. what are stearlerships trying to get away with

 

[Silver Ecstasy]

I guess my thing is...don't call and say "HEY CAN I GET S-PLAN???"

Stealerships? Don't forget, they're a business and need to make money. But, don't tell me a buying customer is walking in the door with deposit in hand, and they're going to turn you away because you want S-plan. Negotiations, maybe a friend who works at Ford, seek these things out.

If someone were to call my store and say "Hey..will you give me the best possible deal on a computer", i'd literally just laugh and say "Heh...yeah man, come see us." -- knowing that that's all up for debate once he gets here. Of course I could always say "Ya know what, no you won't get the best deal" and he'd never walk in the door. How can I commit to a deal when I don't know if it's even a guarantee?

Not to mention, they don't want every single kid walking in the door with zero credit/bad credit and no money down, and it's a lost cause trying to negotiate a deal. So, don't call around, just go to the dealership with the exact car you want, and roll with the punches baby, it's the beauty of buying and selling!!!

 

[naddie]

For us regular folks though...

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_display.cfm?release=27601

The MSRP is cheaper!

Sport $22,340
GT $24,055

The older MS3s are:
Sport $23,175
GT $24,690

Of course, thats before destination charges.

 

[Adammazda06]

what....i called mazda na and they said there should be no problem. what are stearlerships trying to get away with

directly from the Mazda MDOL website to help relieve anymore Splan questions.

S-Plan Pricing
S-Plan offers preferred pricing, which is substantially below the Manufacturers Suggested
Retail Price (MSRP). The objective is to provide a non-negotiable price to eliminate the price
negotiation process of purchasing a vehicle. The S-Plan price is as follows:
􀂃 S-Plan price is equal to the total dealer invoice price including freight and any voluntary
advertising assessments and state-regulated fees. The amount is printed in the lower left
corner of the factory invoice as SPLAN.
􀂃 S-Plan prices are non-negotiable.
􀂃 The following rebates and incentives should be deducted from the S-Plan price. All
applicable incentives convert to Customer Cash and must be treated accordingly.
􀂾 All Customer Cash retail incentives
􀂾 All Dealer Cash incentives
􀂾 Top-level dealer engagement or stair-step programs unless noted in program rules.
􀂾 Miscellaneous rebates such as college grad or Mazda American Credit cash may
apply as long as the specific rules and conditions are met.
􀂃 Dealers may charge reasonable and customary documentation fees.
􀂃 S-Plan price does not include dealer-installed options, accessories, extended service
contracts, and other items or services. These items need to be negotiated separately
between the dealership and customer.
􀂃 S-Plan price does not include tax, title, license, and required state motor vehicle fees.
􀂃 Trade-in, financing, and insurance are not covered by the New Vehicle Purchase Plan and
must be negotiated between the dealership and customer.
􀂃 Dealers may require a deposit when placing a vehicle order. The dealership may retain
some or all of this deposit if the customer cancels the order. A written agreement should be
signed by both the dealer and customer stating the terms and conditions.

 

[Adammazda06]

Product Availability
All new Mazda vehicles sold in the U.S. Mazda reserves the right to restrict specific models
from time to time.
Eligible Products
�� Mazda3 sedan and 5-door
�� Mazda5
�� Mazda6 sedan, 5-door, and wagon
�� MX5 Miata
�� RX8
�� CX7
�� CX9
�� MPV
�� Tribute
�� B-Truck
�� MazdaSpeed6

Not-Eligible Products
�� Used company service
�� Used dealer demonstrator vehicles
� Products sold under any other company plan

Restricted Products
�� MazdaSpeed3

 

[Ferdball]

I paid sticker, dammit.

 

[Pirana]

Ok so what does REstricted mean?

 

[Adammazda06]

Ok so what does REstricted mean?

it means it is not available on that car. if a dealer wants to sell a car at that price they can, they just will not receive the splan commission that they would get when they RDR the car with a PIN code. splan commission is only a few hundred dollars.

 

[Silver Ecstasy]

There was an article I read regarding a thing called "Dealer Holdback". It's a percentage the dealership makes irregardless of what price the car is sold at. It's a form of interest that the manufacturer charges when a dealership orders cars.

Dealers still make dealer holdback regardless of if the car even sold at invoice. And as always, all dealerships will say it's not price, but quantity that they make their money off of. But they also make more based on a certain price bracket as well.

You bring up the topic of dealer holdback and the fact they're still making money (especially if you're buying a car that JUST showed up on their lot from being ordered), that sorta levels the playing field up a little.

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/incentives/holdback/index.html
http://autos.aol.com/article/general/v2/_a/what-is-dealer-holdback/20071118102409990001
http://www.truck-auto-leasing.com/Ralph-Articles/what-is-dealer-holdback.htm

 

[GhostMercury]

all this talk about s plan pricing but what about A plan pricing for ford. or the E-plan as mazda would liek to call it. Which is the plan i qualify for

 

[Adammazda06]

There was an article I read regarding a thing called "Dealer Holdback". It's a percentage the dealership makes irregardless of what price the car is sold at. It's a form of interest that the manufacturer charges when a dealership orders cars.

Dealers still make dealer holdback regardless of if the car even sold at invoice. And as always, all dealerships will say it's not price, but quantity that they make their money off of. But they also make more based on a certain price bracket as well.

You bring up the topic of dealer holdback and the fact they're still making money (especially if you're buying a car that JUST showed up on their lot from being ordered), that sorta levels the playing field up a little.

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/incentives/holdback/index.html
http://autos.aol.com/article/general/v2/_a/what-is-dealer-holdback/20071118102409990001
http://www.truck-auto-leasing.com/Ralph-Articles/what-is-dealer-holdback.htm

holdback is profit if the car has not been instock very long. holdback is something to help keep the car maintained. it helps with floorplan interest, keeping gas in the car for test drives, keeping it clean, and so on. i can count on 1 hand all the times i have seen holdback given up in the last few years.

 

[Adammazda06]

all this talk about s plan pricing but what about A plan pricing for ford. or the E-plan as mazda would liek to call it. Which is the plan i qualify for

eplan is great for the few who can get it. it is something that is very limited though. mazda does make it wide open for extended family of mazda employees a couple times a year. i have never read anything if the mazdaspeed3 is covered, but i would assume not.

 

[dparm1984]

Dealer holdback is a bulls*** charge to get more money out of you, don't be a sucker and fall for that. If a dealership is trying to pull that stunt, you should probably take your business elsewhere.

My purchase last month had:

car
tax
license/registraton

No holdback, no stupid acronyms you don't know, etc.

 

[Silver Ecstasy]

Dealer holdback is a bulls*** charge to get more money out of you, don't be a sucker and fall for that. If a dealership is trying to pull that stunt, you should probably take your business elsewhere.

My purchase last month had:

car
tax
license/registraton

No holdback, no stupid acronyms you don't know, etc.

Pardon my skepticism but would it actually show dealer holdback on the contract? Because I doubt it would and I doubt you had them talked into giving up there last means of income on the car right?

Just asking.

 

[Adammazda06]

Pardon my skepticism but would it actually show dealer holdback on the contract? Because I doubt it would and I doubt you had them talked into giving up there last means of income on the car right?

Just asking.

nope, you never see it. you can only see it on the invoice and even then it won't say holdback.

 

[chowhoundMSP]

Adam is your dealership selling any speed3's under MSRP? My local dealer is barely budging on the price. They say it is selling too well to cut the price.

 

[Erich]

In the Seattle are I could have gotten an 08 for close to (if not at) invoice. As it was I was able to get well under MSRP on a Metropolitan Gray 08.5 Speed3 GT. Of course I am sure this varies by region and there are a lot of Speed3s on the lots around here.

 

[tubebrner]

all this talk about s plan pricing but what about A plan pricing for ford. or the E-plan as mazda would liek to call it. Which is the plan i qualify for

A-Plan is converted to S-Plan for Mazda. The E-Plan is strictly for actual Mazda employees, not Ford employees or their relatives.

 

[Adammazda06]

Adam is your dealership selling any speed3's under MSRP? My local dealer is barely budging on the price. They say it is selling too well to cut the price.

we have sold a total of 5 so far. 2 of which went to employees. 1 went for msrp, another went for just under msrp, and the last one we sold went for about 600 over invoice after we paid 2 driver to go get it from another dealer.
i also do not have any on my lot right now. it is a rarely asked for car around here. we do have a white ms3 gt ordered. i actually ordered that in december but didn't get built til this month since we did not earn an allocation for 1 for the first build. i really want it, but i am debating on whether or not to buy it because i will be changing jobs in the next few months and probably will have to relocate.