Forget about it guys, he probably works for Chevy or something! 
Just a waste of time...we like the MP3 coz we like it. We mod it coz we want to. Why compare it to something that it's not, and frankly, something that we don't want it to be? If I wanted a Z28 I would have bought one. I don't. Nothing's ever gonna satisfy this guy short of everyone agreeing with him 'yes we all suck. You are the performance God, we regret buying the MP3'. Not likely buddy. Geez why am I even wasting time on this?? See ya!
Just a waste of time...we like the MP3 coz we like it. We mod it coz we want to. Why compare it to something that it's not, and frankly, something that we don't want it to be? If I wanted a Z28 I would have bought one. I don't. Nothing's ever gonna satisfy this guy short of everyone agreeing with him 'yes we all suck. You are the performance God, we regret buying the MP3'. Not likely buddy. Geez why am I even wasting time on this?? See ya!
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I agree with all u guy's i was trying to make a point where there's no need to spend 24/30 thousand$, when u can save 5-10 thousand and beef it up more, as it already is and have a smile on your face when whoever rolls up and tells me that my freekin car is "tight".
Camaro Z28 vs Protege MP3 (not Performance)
Curb Weight:3300-3450lbs 2725lbs-base model
horsepower 300-320hp 140hp
Torque: 295-350trq 142trq
Why pay 5-10 thousand more for a car that has a Kenwood 280watt front and rear speakers and trunk mounted 10"subwoofer, napster profile that could play tunes up to 10 hours from a cd-r burned cd. For fun turning the circles and handling the baby 30% better over the competitors in it's class. with racing beat products.(Drop the car, tint the windows, soup up the car and still come out to the same hp and have the car lighter than the z28.
Camaro Z28 vs Protege MP3 (not Performance)
Curb Weight:3300-3450lbs 2725lbs-base model
horsepower 300-320hp 140hp
Torque: 295-350trq 142trq
Why pay 5-10 thousand more for a car that has a Kenwood 280watt front and rear speakers and trunk mounted 10"subwoofer, napster profile that could play tunes up to 10 hours from a cd-r burned cd. For fun turning the circles and handling the baby 30% better over the competitors in it's class. with racing beat products.(Drop the car, tint the windows, soup up the car and still come out to the same hp and have the car lighter than the z28.
TO GAME:
Do you know why the WRX took so long to come over here? Because they have to make changes to cut down power from 280HP to 223HP to meet the US law. So does the EVO VII and Skyline. You should be happy if they never come over, cause it would greatly effect the US car markers market. Maybe the US government is trying to protect some s*** car like the Camaro to compete with the real world. Who would buy Camaro anymore if there were a car goes faster in both STRAIGHT and TURN? lol
Yet, we don’t get all of the Japanese Goodies over here in North America, but at least we got some, and people buy it! In the other way, you will never ever find one single Camaro in Japan. Why? You tell me.
I feel sad when we don’t have a chance to play with the Japanese goodies, like our MP3, which is suppose to be 170HP and 4WD in Japan.
I found your point is very stupid about the “Porsche’s you can’t do drag races”, the Porsche is a real performance car that aren’t made for bad stupid no skill drag race. It is a real performance car that can go fast in any aspect! And can smoke your Camaro badly.
Why do you think drag race is so important? I don’t give a damn to drag race. Just like what “rho” said, take a train if you want go straight.
Also, make sure you answer everyone questions, don’t just avoid it when you can’t accept the fact!
[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: OceanPark ]
Do you know why the WRX took so long to come over here? Because they have to make changes to cut down power from 280HP to 223HP to meet the US law. So does the EVO VII and Skyline. You should be happy if they never come over, cause it would greatly effect the US car markers market. Maybe the US government is trying to protect some s*** car like the Camaro to compete with the real world. Who would buy Camaro anymore if there were a car goes faster in both STRAIGHT and TURN? lol
Yet, we don’t get all of the Japanese Goodies over here in North America, but at least we got some, and people buy it! In the other way, you will never ever find one single Camaro in Japan. Why? You tell me.
I feel sad when we don’t have a chance to play with the Japanese goodies, like our MP3, which is suppose to be 170HP and 4WD in Japan.
I found your point is very stupid about the “Porsche’s you can’t do drag races”, the Porsche is a real performance car that aren’t made for bad stupid no skill drag race. It is a real performance car that can go fast in any aspect! And can smoke your Camaro badly.
Why do you think drag race is so important? I don’t give a damn to drag race. Just like what “rho” said, take a train if you want go straight.
Also, make sure you answer everyone questions, don’t just avoid it when you can’t accept the fact!
[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: OceanPark ]
The reason those cars are not allowed over here is because they are POS that are made crappy. We have cars made here in the US that have more HP than the STI or the EVO. Power is not it. Safety is of major concern.
My comment about the Porsche was that an AWD car is not meant for drag racing. The drive train cannot handle that much power to all four tires.
I do not know where you get off thinking that the Camaro cannot handle well? It is very easy to pull over 1G in that car with mods.
One more thing I think it is sad that Karl Marx found it necessary to lock the thread I started. It got more posts than any other. He got mad and knew he was wrong and was tired of hearing the truth so he shut it down. Nice job man!
My comment about the Porsche was that an AWD car is not meant for drag racing. The drive train cannot handle that much power to all four tires.
I do not know where you get off thinking that the Camaro cannot handle well? It is very easy to pull over 1G in that car with mods.
One more thing I think it is sad that Karl Marx found it necessary to lock the thread I started. It got more posts than any other. He got mad and knew he was wrong and was tired of hearing the truth so he shut it down. Nice job man!
I'm sorry I shouldn't have locked the thread.. I should have banned you...i guess i was selfish in thinking I was doing you a favor.. i don't like everyone picking on 1 person because they are challenged.
If anyone here ( except you, of course ) replies that they like you and want you to stay then i won't...
You can continue to spill your truth... for now.
If anyone here ( except you, of course ) replies that they like you and want you to stay then i won't...
You can continue to spill your truth... for now.
game me posting the url to the site with the import dragster wasnt directed specifically towards you, i just wanted to prove a point. cars race in their own "divisions", for a lack of a better word. and i dont see how you come to the conclusion that cars are cheaply made in a different country if it isnt the US. but back to the original question WHY would someone get the car. simple fact that its a great car. im not a car guy at all. i wouldnt know the difference between a camaro and firebird.(exaggerating to show who i really am) i got the mp3 for one reason i LOVED it. when i saw it i knew i had to get it. it runs the quarter longer than it takes for me to pump gas but i waste more gas with the lawnmower than with the mp3. thats why. i would only add more stuff to the mp3 if it was reasonable to get it, or i can get more performance out of it. the answer to the second part of your question on why add stuff to the car is just that just because its a sedan doesnt mean i cant make it perform like a sportscar....does it?...if im wrong please correct me.
You do not have to ban be because this is my last post on this site. I just wanted to know what made some of you tick and I am sorry to say I found out what it was. I think that people who buy 4-cilinder cars to go drag racing are fools. They have to spend thousands to even match the V8’s. True I will give you that my car is common, but it is ******* fast.
I know you people drag race because I see cars like yours at the local street races. It is so funny to watch a Z28 or a Mustang blow the doors off a trash talking Civic. The import owners do not know any better because they have never felt the power of a V8. There is NO replacement for displacement.
When these ricers get finished with their cars and they can actually move, the cars are so trashed out and so ****** up they will not run much longer. Sure you can make a Civic or MP3 fast strap on a turbo, some NO2 and off you go. The only problem is you will not be going for long.
Oh, and locking my thread was a pretty bad thing to do.
I know you people drag race because I see cars like yours at the local street races. It is so funny to watch a Z28 or a Mustang blow the doors off a trash talking Civic. The import owners do not know any better because they have never felt the power of a V8. There is NO replacement for displacement.
When these ricers get finished with their cars and they can actually move, the cars are so trashed out and so ****** up they will not run much longer. Sure you can make a Civic or MP3 fast strap on a turbo, some NO2 and off you go. The only problem is you will not be going for long.
Oh, and locking my thread was a pretty bad thing to do.
I wonder if it would surprise Game here if some of us want to mod the car not because we want to try to blow the doors off a Camaro, or even ever drag with one. My car is classified as a Sport Compact Sedan, and I'll never pretend that it's a muscle car, a performance coupe, or a friggin Concorde.
He never seemed to get the point that a lot of us just want a little more pep when we run with other cars in our class.
And also, all this 'no respect for 4 bangers' and 'POS Japanese cars', and 'sedans cannot be performance cars' is funny, considering what cars make up the BTCC? NATCC? 'Lousy POS 4 bangers who can't perform' such as the Accord, A4, BMW 3 Series. OK waitasec, fine they're not 4 bangers, they're V6 (but not Big Block V8, so it doesn't qualify as performance, right?)
Most of the Rally championship cars out there? 'Lousy POS Japanese 4 bangers', such as the WRX, Celica, Tiburon, Focus, and even our little MP3. We're not champions, but we're in the game at least.
I'm sure all the owners and drivers of these internationally recognized races will be mortified that Game doesn't consider these cars 'performance' because they have 4 doors and a 4 cylinder engine! They might just quit racing and go buy a V8 to go to the drags right on the spot if they want REAL performance!
They are all 'riced out', right? Talk about a gross overgeneralization. If we were to behave the same we could say a lot of things about ALL Camaro drivers based on Game's behaviours then, right? A few riced out Honda drivers doesn't mean they all are, and I wondered why he chose the MP3 board out of all the boards to 'ask his questions'. Why not go ask the tons of Honda boards? And maybe all the other Mazda, Toyota, Nissan, and even Ford boards? Ford's not Japanese, but there's a 4 banger Focus for you to trash. If you're still around to read this post, maybe you should stop now and go there! That should keep you busy for a year or so.
You know, the one thing good that came out of all this 'discussion' is that all this reminded me why I got the car in the first place, and why I DIDN'T get some other car.
You all know what I'm talking about, coz all of you have at one time or another posted the reasons on this forum.
All I've gotta say is that I'm lovin' my 'POS Japanese 4 banger sedan' for my own reasons, that probably everyone here except Game will ever understand.
End of story.
He never seemed to get the point that a lot of us just want a little more pep when we run with other cars in our class.
And also, all this 'no respect for 4 bangers' and 'POS Japanese cars', and 'sedans cannot be performance cars' is funny, considering what cars make up the BTCC? NATCC? 'Lousy POS 4 bangers who can't perform' such as the Accord, A4, BMW 3 Series. OK waitasec, fine they're not 4 bangers, they're V6 (but not Big Block V8, so it doesn't qualify as performance, right?)
Most of the Rally championship cars out there? 'Lousy POS Japanese 4 bangers', such as the WRX, Celica, Tiburon, Focus, and even our little MP3. We're not champions, but we're in the game at least.
I'm sure all the owners and drivers of these internationally recognized races will be mortified that Game doesn't consider these cars 'performance' because they have 4 doors and a 4 cylinder engine! They might just quit racing and go buy a V8 to go to the drags right on the spot if they want REAL performance!
They are all 'riced out', right? Talk about a gross overgeneralization. If we were to behave the same we could say a lot of things about ALL Camaro drivers based on Game's behaviours then, right? A few riced out Honda drivers doesn't mean they all are, and I wondered why he chose the MP3 board out of all the boards to 'ask his questions'. Why not go ask the tons of Honda boards? And maybe all the other Mazda, Toyota, Nissan, and even Ford boards? Ford's not Japanese, but there's a 4 banger Focus for you to trash. If you're still around to read this post, maybe you should stop now and go there! That should keep you busy for a year or so.
You know, the one thing good that came out of all this 'discussion' is that all this reminded me why I got the car in the first place, and why I DIDN'T get some other car.
You all know what I'm talking about, coz all of you have at one time or another posted the reasons on this forum.
All I've gotta say is that I'm lovin' my 'POS Japanese 4 banger sedan' for my own reasons, that probably everyone here except Game will ever understand.
End of story.
G
<GLOBE>
I guess we should also consider the reliability of the car as well. The Z28 will probably start rusting after a month. IS A FREAKING AMERICAN CAR, how long can it last? Go to any leasing company and you will find out that this car has the lowest buy back %. The car doesn't worth s*** once it touch to ground because of its terrible reliability. I am sure that it is fast, but how long can it last? Z28 ??? hahah give me a break. 
making a fool of yourself game. stop making me laugh.
making a fool of yourself game. stop making me laugh.
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What cracks me up is that triton rips on ocean for the times he said from car and driver and then later on down the list he quotes the same source to gonzo. Just some moronic pos that likes to start crap in forums.
Well put MP3Ben. For anyone to compare an Camaro/Firefird or any version of the F-Body to any Japanese car is just insane.
8 Honda's I've had, 4 accords ( All coupes), 3 Ludes ( 90SI, 92SR, 97S), 1 Civic, and now an MP3. Only thing I've ever replaced were mufflers, plugs/filters, and tires <cough> I've driven every Camaro/Firebird that's been out in the last 20 years, and every time I get in one, I think the same damn thing. This is a real piece of s***. Just about every GM car actually. Sure, the engine sounds nice, and got some punch to it....duh! I should hope 300HP could do something. But just "look" at the car. The paint, the trims, the wheels, the buttons inside, the radio ( HA HA HA ), the controllers for things like wipers, the seats, the materials for the plastic, and so on and so on.....it's like the Walmart of cars. Just a bunch of recycled parts slapped together to make a car, which only has one good thing in it....the engine, at least while it lasts. Even that, when you lift the hood of a WS6, Camaro etc, it just looks like a bunch of metal slapped together. Even the jesus Corvette is almost laughable, although, the newer ones are getting better for quality. And Yes, I've driven a lot of vettes. Mostly older ones mind you, but there's no problem telling that GM makes them
When I drive a Japanese car, everything feels well built. The touch of the buttons, to sound of the door slamming, the paint....just everything feels and looks like high quality materials. I feel like I spent my money on something that's going to last. At least when I turn on the AC, the button don't come off in my hand, or when I put down the window, it doesn't fall inside the door.
Oh, and my buddy owns a 97' Firebird, and when we go for a drive, guess which one we take.....MINE! the MP3. Even before the MP3, we took one of the honda's I've owned. Why, because it's fun, confortable, better stereo...and a heck of a lot better on gas. And these days, my buddy can barely afford to put gas in his. ( 80cents/litre on a good day, has hit 90+cents for reg.) Their great cars if all of the roads in the world were straight. I'm still amazed, that for such BIG cars outside, camaro's are so small inside. What's up wit dat?
I know guys that used to work at GM plants, you'd be scared to hear some the their horror stories about the conditions of GM cars as they leave the plants....but I won't get into that.
Anyhow, you get the point...I hope.
8 Honda's I've had, 4 accords ( All coupes), 3 Ludes ( 90SI, 92SR, 97S), 1 Civic, and now an MP3. Only thing I've ever replaced were mufflers, plugs/filters, and tires <cough> I've driven every Camaro/Firebird that's been out in the last 20 years, and every time I get in one, I think the same damn thing. This is a real piece of s***. Just about every GM car actually. Sure, the engine sounds nice, and got some punch to it....duh! I should hope 300HP could do something. But just "look" at the car. The paint, the trims, the wheels, the buttons inside, the radio ( HA HA HA ), the controllers for things like wipers, the seats, the materials for the plastic, and so on and so on.....it's like the Walmart of cars. Just a bunch of recycled parts slapped together to make a car, which only has one good thing in it....the engine, at least while it lasts. Even that, when you lift the hood of a WS6, Camaro etc, it just looks like a bunch of metal slapped together. Even the jesus Corvette is almost laughable, although, the newer ones are getting better for quality. And Yes, I've driven a lot of vettes. Mostly older ones mind you, but there's no problem telling that GM makes them
When I drive a Japanese car, everything feels well built. The touch of the buttons, to sound of the door slamming, the paint....just everything feels and looks like high quality materials. I feel like I spent my money on something that's going to last. At least when I turn on the AC, the button don't come off in my hand, or when I put down the window, it doesn't fall inside the door.
Oh, and my buddy owns a 97' Firebird, and when we go for a drive, guess which one we take.....MINE! the MP3. Even before the MP3, we took one of the honda's I've owned. Why, because it's fun, confortable, better stereo...and a heck of a lot better on gas. And these days, my buddy can barely afford to put gas in his. ( 80cents/litre on a good day, has hit 90+cents for reg.) Their great cars if all of the roads in the world were straight. I'm still amazed, that for such BIG cars outside, camaro's are so small inside. What's up wit dat?
I know guys that used to work at GM plants, you'd be scared to hear some the their horror stories about the conditions of GM cars as they leave the plants....but I won't get into that.
Anyhow, you get the point...I hope.
You ungrateful BASTARD!! You drive foreign crap and down talk American cars but you dont mind calling this place home. American cars far superior to Japan this a fact. Cars from Japan cheap and not reliable. It is arguable for German cars to be superior, but American cars and trucks run for long time. Japan make car that will not last.
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It looks like game changed his name to Tirn, or got a buddy to sign on for him...
Every auto maker has made good cars, whether it be European, Japanese, or American. Evey car maker has had reliable cars, and not-so-reliable cars.
So, let's move on to the topic of this whole board.
Every auto maker has made good cars, whether it be European, Japanese, or American. Evey car maker has had reliable cars, and not-so-reliable cars.
So, let's move on to the topic of this whole board.
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