2009 v 2010

[morethan5]

If I hadn't had ABS, I'd have creamed him.
I'm a convert.

If you hadn't had ABS, you probably would have stopped in less distance.

ABS does not help you to stop faster. It facilitates some measure of control -- primarily in a straight line.

 

[DKaz]

If you hadn't had ABS, you probably would have stopped in less distance.

ABS does not help you to stop faster. It facilitates some measure of control -- primarily in a straight line.

What he said. Locked tires will stop your car faster, but you're at the mercy of your tires to keep you in a straight line and you lose almost all steering control. ABS was designed to help you keep control of your car whether you need to go straight or steer but at the cost of stopping distance. My 08 Corolla did not have ABS brakes but instead of rapidly pumping brakes, I used threshold braking in wet, snow, and ice conditions where you brake to the point of the tires locking then slightly release pressure, gradually increase pressure again than slightly release, it's similar to pumping the brakes but a lot more gradual, you're basically braking at the very limits of your brakes and tires without having them locked all the time.

Demonstration [80km/h (50mph) to 0 in less than 44m (144 feet)]:

 

[Rockin03mp5]

that is the kind of braking i do, and yes, if someone pulls out in front of you like that, you pretty much have to drive around them, or hope you can stop. i have had that, on a clear dry road, going 60. someone pulled out in front of me. i had no time to stop and there was a median. luckily nobody was in the oncoming lanes. i slammed on the brakes, locking them up, then let go at just the right time to jerk through the opening in the median into the oncoming lanes. if there was traffic, my only option was to aim for his rear and try to stop, which was impossible. i was 16 at the time.
my car before my p5 had abs, and i couldnt stop for crap cause one wheel was always locking, so it mushed up my brakes.
i guess it is a matter of preference, but i dont need them, and have driven just fine without them. if it is icy, drive slow, and dont make sudden movements and only try to brake if you are going straight. getting going can suck yes.
if getting going is your problem then 4wd is probably what you need.

 

[Pinnacle]

Any updates on the ETA of 2010 models? Any feature changes?

 

[P2K]

I know the UK and JDM 2.0 petrol and diesel always had DSC. It doesn't do us 2.3 owners any good, but hopefully they'll add it to the 2.3 next year. Here's a pic of the module that's in the 2008 2.0 for the non-believers.

I got the pic off a japanese website. There wasn't a part number, but it wouldn't have mattered if there was because it worthless to 2.3 owners.