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Blow Off Valve FAQ


Term usage: "Blow off valves" go by several names, among them are compressor bypass valve (CBV), air by-pass valve, bypass valve (BPV), blow off valve (BOV), Diverter valve, and possibly a few others. BOV is the common and incorrect term that lumps true blow off valves and bypass valves under the same term. For the sake of correctness, this post will refer to either aftermarket BOV, aftermarket BPV or OEM BPV as these are the most correct terms.

What is the function of a blow off valve (BOV)?
To release pressure from the intake tract of a turbo car when the throttle closes. It is a vacuum-actuated valve designed to releases the air to the atmosphere.

What is the function of a bypass valve (BPV)?
To release pressure from the intake tract of a turbo car when the throttle closes. It is a vacuum-actuated valve designed to recirculate the air back into the intake before the turbo inlet, but after the airflow sensor.

What is the purpose of a BOV/BPV?
When the throttle closes and the intake system is under pressure, the high-pressure air entering the motor will bump into the closed throttle plate, and in the absence of a BOV/BPV, a pressure wave will travel back to the turbocharger. The result is that the compressor wheel will stall (a phenomenon known as compressor surge) and slow down very quickly. This is hard on the bearings and decreases the turbos lifespan, but it also means the turbo will take longer to spin up the next time the throttle is opened.

Is an aftermarket BPV better than the stock BPV?
No. Unless you are considering an aftermarket BPV solely for the purposes of holding higher boost levels. An aftermarket unit should sound just like the OEM unit.

Which manufacturer is best?
This topic is highly debated. There have been no reported consistent "bad" aftermarket BOVs. Obviously, there may have been bad ones sold, but not enough to report as "bad" overall.

What are the different types of aftermarket BOVs/BPVs?
Different manufacturers use different methods. There are three basic types:
1. Aftermarket BPV: Similar in function to the OEM BPV where 100% of the air is recirculated.
2. Atmospheric BOV: 100% of the air is vented to the atmosphere.
3. Hybrid BOV: These depend on the manufacturer and end user settings. These can either be adjustable or manufacturer set for different percentages of atmospheric/recirculation dumping. They can also be set to work as recirculation during lower boost conditions and 100% atmospheric during higher boost conditions.

Are there any downsides to aftermarket BOVs?
There have not been significant amounts of problems with BOVs. Aftermarket BOVs can and do require some light end user maintenance to keep them performing perfectly. For aftermarket hybrid BOVs that have end user defined settings, there will be an initial period of adjustment to obtain the desired recirculation/atmospheric ratio. As well, most aftermarket BOVs will require "tuning" (usually via supplied washers, a screw, or other mechanism on the BOV itself) to allow them to idle correctly and blow off at the right time.

Are there any negative effects with aftermarket BOVs?
Yes. The downside of releasing the air to atmosphere is that it has already been metered by the mass air sensor, and when it blows off, the ECU will be injecting the wrong amount of fuel into the cylinders. The engine temporarily runs extremely rich, meaning too much fuel is injected into the cylinders.

This temporary rich condition isnt usually that harmful, but it can cause bucking or hesitation on lift-throttle. If the condition is really bad, it can eventually foul spark plugs and even clog the catalytic converter as unburned fuel on the catalytic converter burns very hot, and too much of it can melt the cat.

Can my tuner or engine management tune out this rich period?
Yes. There are some forms of engine management that can tune this out. Buying your engine managment soley for this purpose is a poor method of choosing an engine managment system though.



-thanks dan at machv and ron aka (unabomber) for the post as well.
 
seems informative enough, ill let you have this sticky.... im thinking it may be better in the forced induction section, what do you think?
 
oh and i am working on a intake faq right if someone could please get me a picture the stock intake, a cai and a sri. thanks guys!
 
please send me pictures of yor bpv and bov installed for me to add to this thread.

and please send me your installed intake pictures as well.

thanks!
 
umm i have used the greddy type rs and the hks ssqv and neither sounded anything like stock for the record. and yes both were recirced.
 
a bypass valve will route the discharge into the intake, a bov will blow off to the atmosphere. on a maf car like this the ecu expects that discharge in the intake and adds fuel for it so when you vent it can run rich between shifts and cause some stumbling/stalling. with mazda dealers being how they are bov hell yeah if they can blame it they will bpv i would say put the stocker on for dealer visits and swap back after to be safe.
 
I just ordered a Forge BPV and was wondering where the stock BPV is located. Can anyone describe its location?
Look for the BOV label in the picture.
 

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Do these cars really go pig rich when an atmospheric BOV vents? I'm running a recirculated TurboXS, but was wondering if it is really an issue with the vented ones.

This question comes from my experience with Fords, and they have a lot of mythology surrounding this, I think mostly from people not understanding the difference between a bypass valve on a supercharger setup and a blow-off valve on a turbocharged setup.

I've built several vent-to-atmopshere combinations with draw-thru MAFs on various Ford V8s and was always told it wouldn't work for the same reason mentioned in the original post, but it works just fine. The reason why is that when you lift off the throttle, the ECU immediately idles the injectors until the engine reaches a certain RPM (1600 in the factory tune for Fords), at which point it slowly dithers the injectors back up to their appropriate pulsewidth. There is no fuel being injected at all when you lift off the throttle, unmetered air notwithstanding.

I know Evos have a lot of issue with venting to atmosphere, but didn't know if the issue REALLY applied to the Mazdas since they're arm-in-arm with Ford, or if it was just assumed that it did. I don't know the management strategies for the MEC.
 
From my standpoint, I have tried many valves in many different setups, bovs, bovs in recirc, bpv, hybrid. I can say that going from a vta to a recirculated setup is a big change. It went from feeling like my old loud rattly teg to a towncar or something. I know it doesn't drive like a towncar, but it felt soooo smooth and easier to drive once I got off vta. Plus no pop, bogs, or backfires.

Would I love to run my greddy-s in vta OF COURSE. But car ran like crap so alas, up for sale.
 
From my standpoint, I have tried many valves in many different setups, bovs, bovs in recirc, bpv, hybrid. I can say that going from a vta to a recirculated setup is a big change. It went from feeling like my old loud rattly teg to a towncar or something. I know it doesn't drive like a towncar, but it felt soooo smooth and easier to drive once I got off vta. Plus no pop, bogs, or backfires.

Would I love to run my greddy-s in vta OF COURSE. But car ran like crap so alas, up for sale.



and thats a perfect example...technically a bov will not really harm the car but it (in most cases) runs like crap, the engine is simply not meant to vent to atmosphere. And btw in most instances I have seen more failure in the type s bov then any stock bypass valve. Sure it sounds cool and most of the time you believe it is performing like it should but I honestly can not count anymore how many cars that were running the type s that I then switched to a better i.e. the hks that picked up more hp, ran smoother and held boost longer. I am sure all the guys that run the type s in there mazda will read that and say mine runs fine........but again I have no reason to knock the valve but it is seriously a cool sounding piece of crap :) lol

and the evo/subaru crowd that I come from or specialize in do of course have the same issues as the mazda. but most of them dont care haha. The run will run very rich and backfire often and loud!...BUT the main difference is that with the tons of different tuning platforms available for the evo.sti the problems is easily fixed. Unfortunately with the ms3 a lot of those options are not available yet.

the only way most people will be able to tell a difference would be to go and by a blow off valve, run it on the car show off to all your friends. then put back on the bypass valve or run the valve you bought in recirc and you will be able to feel a huge difference, and the car will thank you for it.

-matt
 
nice job on the faq. only suggestion i have is that you say that aftermarket bpv's should sound the same as stock. i don't have an aftermarket bpv but, i thought that a lot of them made different noises, particularly the forge bpv.
 

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