US Diesel's big splash introduction

[Unobtanium]

Looks like Mazda North America is the problem (uhm) - don't know how to tune it right....

Well, they knew what to do until YM2017, when they added half a second to the 0-60, shaved a few mph off their 1/4mile trap speed, and it's gone down hill ever since if this diesel data is meaningful. Looks like 2016.5 was the last real CX5, and the rest are just underpowered Acura RDX's with bad tech but a lower price to compensate.

 

[Kaps]

Mazda has been very careful using the minimal resources they have. Killed the 5 Van, have only 4 engines in the lineup (ok 1.5L for some models in UK and Mazda 2 / Yaris iA), have smartly focused on china CX-8 and CX-4 = China sales eclipsed US for first time. Have managed to move upscale in US first with interior and exterior styling materials to be followed (hopefully) by powerful drivetrains (very smart move as your drivetrain life is extended and development costs reduced) but tbh in 2013 - 14 Skyactiv was really good. Delayed electrification / Hybridization and created a buzz around Sky-X.
Having said that - the EPA #s seem underwhelming - from my guess these are numbers during regen and EPA used them instead of actuals. If so buyers might expect to see these numbers per tank every 7-8k miles whereas the real world numbers would be 36-37 highway and 31 city.

 

[NelsonLewis]

Well, they knew what to do until YM2017, when they added half a second to the 0-60, shaved a few mph off their 1/4mile trap speed, and it's gone down hill ever since if this diesel data is meaningful. Looks like 2016.5 was the last real CX5, and the rest are just underpowered Acura RDX's with bad tech but a lower price to compensate.

Word.

 

[Xeler8ing]

Well, they knew what to do until YM2017, when they added half a second to the 0-60, shaved a few mph off their 1/4mile trap speed, and it's gone down hill ever since if this diesel data is meaningful. Looks like 2016.5 was the last real CX5, and the rest are just underpowered Acura RDX's with bad tech but a lower price to compensate.

Maybe the 2016.5 was good because of no input from Mazda North America..

 

[ALafya]

Very disappointing numbers. With my short commute, which might not be suitable for a SkyActiv 2.5D with DPF and with extra purchase cost and probably more expensive maintenance, there really weak incentive to get this car in my mind.
I believe Mazda screwed up the EPA process. Perhaps they will be able to lift it next year, if their engine is really the same as the Euro and Australian versions. Their failure to deliver this engine for so many years in the US, promising time after time to bring it over only to disappoint their customers every time. I would not be surprised if it will happen again.

The Equinox is a decent vehicle for someone which does not mind a slow vehicle. I drove the same engine in an Opel sedan while on a trip overseas. In that car it was very decent and very low clutter, mostly while idling. For anyone looking for efficiency and utility, skipping the CX-5 will be a given.

Anyway, so far it does not look like I'll get another Mazda next. I'll probably replace the CX-5 with a small Subaru Impreza, to satisfy the need for AWD, and give it for my wife to drive. She would not mind that it's somewhat under-powered. For me I'll probably get a used Lexus IS350, a year or two later, so I could enjoy a reliable RWD sport sedan for a change. A wagon would be better, but you can't have it all.

 

[xtrailman]

Well, they knew what to do until YM2017, when they added half a second to the 0-60, shaved a few mph off their 1/4mile trap speed, and it's gone down hill ever since if this diesel data is meaningful. Looks like 2016.5 was the last real CX5, and the rest are just underpowered Acura RDX's with bad tech but a lower price to compensate.

bad tech is one of the reasons I'm buying a 5 seat Tiguan190ps SEL DSG, how reliable it will be remains to be seen, I have run an Audi before that was 100% reliable over 4.5 years.
My 2013 cx-5 was the most unreliable car since that pile of dung Mini Metro, my last British car.

 

[dougal]

Well, they knew what to do until YM2017, when they added half a second to the 0-60, shaved a few mph off their 1/4mile trap speed, and it's gone down hill ever since if this diesel data is meaningful. Looks like 2016.5 was the last real CX5, and the rest are just underpowered Acura RDX's with bad tech but a lower price to compensate.

Word.

And they are selling 30% more of them. Clearly, they don't know what they are doing.

 

[NelsonLewis]

And they are selling 30% more of them. Clearly, they don't know what they are doing.

Funny, clearly this site doesn*t know what it*s doing because I didn*t post that, but whatever.

Let the asterisks still appearing for apostrophes be a sample. It*s a simple 1 minute fix, yet here it still exist for a month now...

 

[Unobtanium]

And they are selling 30% more of them. Clearly, they don't know what they are doing.

Let's see how many CX5D's they sell in the US, I mean, IF they sell them here...

 

[Unobtanium]

Funny, clearly this site doesn*t know what it*s doing because I didn*t post that, but whatever.

Let the asterisks still appearing for apostrophes be a sample. It*s a simple 1 minute fix, yet here it still exist for a month now...

Don't worry bro, they got you. It's coming in a few months. Just chill. 2018 year model. Promises!

 

[NelsonLewis]

Don't worry bro, they got you. It's coming in a few months. Just chill. 2018 year model. Promises!

Promises are meant to be broken. -Mazda

 

[Xeler8ing]

Promises are meant to be broken. -Mazda

By Mazda North America.

 

[Jedi54]

man, the press coverage for this 2.2D has not been nice to mazda.
Rightfully so though, after them saying it would rival hybrid suv's in it's class and then face planting on the EPA #'s. I wonder if they did take regen into account when they did the mpg rating and that's why it's low? But wouldn't Chevy's be similarly low?
Maybe I'm stretching here but still trying to figure out wtf happened with those #'s. (given the real world results it's had in other parts of the world)

I'm curious to see what numbers real world journalists come up with.

 

[BCur]

I'll be waiting...

I'm curious to see what numbers real world journalists come up with.

I'm more than curious since my #1 reason for wanting the diesel was for the high FE on my 4 times a year >1800 mile car trips. I was planning on ordering one as soon as it was available, but now I'll be holding off. Now I'll wait to see if the real world highway mileage is at least close to what is achieved elsewhere in the world. For me, a 1-2 mph advantage over the gas engine isn't enough to justify the added expense and hassle of a diesel.

 

[Jedi54]

I'm more than curious since my #1 reason for wanting the diesel was for the high FE

same here. I drove 20 - 25k miles a year.

Now I'll wait to see if the real world highway mileage is at least close to what is achieved elsewhere in the world. For me, a 1-2 mph advantage over the gas engine isn't enough to justify the added expense and hassle of a diesel.

yup.
should be interesting to see what real world driving and fuel economy is like.

 

[yrwei52]

ROFL!!!

So it's...slower than my 2.5 gasburner, the fuel costs 30-50 cents more per gallon, and it will give me a RATED 3mpg over what my AVERAGE ACTUAL mpg is, and a rated 3-4mpg over my ACTUAL highway/road-trip observations. Oh, and I'd have to trade my vehicle in to get one. I bet it also lacks Android Auto and proper satellite radio.

...but by god, if I am wanting a tiny SUV to tow a horse trailer with...mah gawd I dun found the wun, Margrut!!!!

You forgot to mention diesel option is $2,000 more than a gas CX-5 based on MSRP in Japan. And thiss a diesel without DEF system which will cost even more for US diesel CX-5!

 

[yrwei52]

man, the press coverage for this 2.2D has not been nice to mazda.
Rightfully so though, after them saying it would rival hybrid suv's in it's class and then face planting on the EPA #'s. I wonder if they did take regen into account when they did the mpg rating and that's why it's low? But wouldn't Chevy's be similarly low?
Maybe I'm stretching here but still trying to figure out wtf happened with those #'s. (given the real world results it's had in other parts of the world)

I'm curious to see what numbers real world journalists come up with.

US EPA FE ratings wont specifically take DPF regen into account only against Mazda diesel. Every diesel vehicle, like Chevy Equinox diesel, has the DPF regen system and it shouldnt be something to blame for poor EPA highway FE estimates on CX-5 diesel. If anything, US only DEF system could be something to blame?

We should also remember for US CX-5 diesel DEF / AdBlue will be another added cost in addition to higher US diesel price in most areas.

 

[Monterra]

omfg dude now we're bitching about a 2 gallon jug o piss every 10k or so for the whopping cost of $12? Get bent (w/all due respect)

At the rumored 190/310 its def(see what I did there) an engine 'upgrade', and upgrades typically cost more, yes

 

[Unobtanium]

omfg dude now we're bitching about a 2 gallon jug o piss every 10k or so for the whopping cost of $12? Get bent (w/all due respect)

At the rumored 190/310 its def(see what I did there) an engine 'upgrade', and upgrades typically cost more, yes

Such a shame it's slower and only gets a few mpg more, if that, and takes fuel that in many areas is significantly more expensive, and has turbos vs. no turbos to go bad, and costs more to begin with, and...wtf would you buy it?

 

[J.R.]

No interest in the nextgen 2019 3?

Doesn't want to be a SkyActiv-X guinea pig

Well, there's the guinea pig issue. Also I'm hoping eventually they release a 2.5L version as the 2.0L is roughly the same (slightly less) power to the outgoing 2.5L 'G'...and if anything, I want more power (and hopefully AWD).

But that's not likely to be for a couple years and I needed a new car sooner than that.

Plus I got a smoking deal and 0% over 60 that I wasn't going to remotely see on the new 'guinea pig' model