Engine Oil Rise

[eudrive33]

BIG ship from hiroshima to Zebbrugge then smaller ships to various ports in the UK.

All scotland mazdas go to rosyth.

yours might come in via grimsby? or hull.

tilbury for the SE england and avonmouth for SW and midlands?

let us know what dipstick you've got. you should have the 'c'.

A friends CX-5 came to Antwerp, Belgium end of April and it was a March 2013 build, came with dipstick "C".

 

[Narrowgauge7.25]

My CX-5 suffered the rising oil, local dealer charged me 121 for the pleasure of an oil change, but they did do it while waited I spotted level above the 'x' just as were about to set off on a long holiday. Wrote to Mazda they have said they will pay for the change and also there is a fix which it is booked in for next week. Hopefully it will work!

 

[Morsa]

Good luck with the fix "Narrow" I received it two weeks ago.
Yesterday I just detected a new DPF regeneration, the first one after the new SW PCM and exahust sensor installed. It has started at only 254 Kms from the last one, so as usual in my case. New thing is that it lasted 5 min, some 5 kms less and the instant fuel comsuption looks somehow lower too. Have to wait to see the effect on the oil rise.

 

[xtrailman]

Isn't Mazda also working on a further ECU remap to extend the periods between the regen?

Sure I've that that on here or whirlpool.

 

[dad of jon]

Isn't Mazda also working on a further ECU remap to extend the periods between the regen?

Sure I've that that on here or whirlpool.

Whirlpool I think, Xtrail. I've also head that the exhaust pressure sensors are being swapped out. If that was a faulty batch or prone to failure then the ECU would think the DPF is clogged and do regens too often.

 

[xtrailman]

Whirlpool is now saying the sensors are being replaced because of a prior design fault.

 

[Buzzx6r]

Hi

I've got a GT Diesel on order at the moment and this `rising oil issue` is causing me to re-consider my purchase. I have a 320d BMW and have never had this issue in 30,000km's.

I'm also led to believe that the ECU needs to be reset after each oil change which the precludes you doing the oil change yourself - having to pay dealer inflated prices.
I have read of one CX5 owner who has had to replaced oil every 4000km's

I am goiing to speak with selling dealer Monday - and if I don't get a straight answer I will cancel order.

Cheers...

Any independant with autologic or similar diagnostics can reset the DPF after an oil change.

 

[Buzzx6r]

As long as some "Boffin" at Mazda doesn't try to equate short journeys in my case as the root cause of the problem, then suggest it is my driving style etc that is behind this.

I replace my car every 3 years, and always diesel. whether VW group, Peugeot/Citreon and Saab, never before have I had similar issues.

My "runs" are into town and back approx 4 miles each way, and up to my local golf course, about 1 mile each way. But there are plenty of long motorway trips as well.

My next door neighbour bought a Diesel BMW about 6 months before I bought my Mazda and undertakes much about the same journeys that I cover. He has not had any issues, and he has been assured by BMW he will not need to have an oil change for at least 18,000 miles.

Since the mod I haven't really been anywhere, and I'm in Canada at present so won't be doing anything for a while, but I will keep an eye on things once I get back.

If all sorted, then all fine dandy.

Will wait & see.

Alex

Extended oil services such as championed by BMW have led to a sharp increase in failed turbos, due to the oil being passed it's best and not offering suitable protection at high RPMs. Extended oil services are mainly to make ownership of a car appear cheaper for fleet buyers and new private owners, often at the detriment of long term reliability.

 

[MikeM.]

Extended oil services such as championed by BMW have led to a sharp increase in failed turbos, due to the oil being passed it's best and not offering suitable protection at high RPMs.

Of course turbo bearings are the most sensitive component by far with regard to oil quality and non-turbo engines don't have the same issues. Also, oil breaks down faster in turbo engines because of the high heat experienced when the oil goes through the turbo which is driven by extremely hot exhaust gases. The actual mechanism of turbo failure is not due to high rpm (per say) but that the oil can turn to coke on the extremely hot turbo bearings when the engine is shut down and the oil stops circulating. This coke then leads to galling of the bearing surfaces and eventual failure.

This is why I would never run non-synthetic oil in a turbo (synthetic cokes at higher temperatures).

It's likely that a number of those out of warranty turbo failures had been run on oil (at some point) that didn't meet BMW's strict specs for extended service intervals. That or drivers didn't follow recommendations to let the turbo's cool before shutting the engine down.

 

[xtrailman]

On my present xtrail cooling the turbo isn't required, as the turbo is cooled after the engine is switched off.

On my previous xtrail the turbo did require cooling, but only after a extended hard run.

Some high performance Subaru's WRX, continue to run the engine after the engine has been switched off.

 

[xtrailman]

Extended oil services such as championed by BMW have led to a sharp increase in failed turbos, due to the oil being passed it's best and not offering suitable protection at high RPMs. Extended oil services are mainly to make ownership of a car appear cheaper for fleet buyers and new private owners, often at the detriment of long term reliability.

Agree.
I never use the high mileage oil intervals for my servicing, always use the 12.5K or 1 year service, so my car gets a oil change at around 6.5K miles after 12 months, and with the correct oil.

 

[Narrowgauge7.25]

Agree.
I never use the high mileage oil intervals for my servicing, always use the 12.5K or 1 year service, so my car gets a oil change at around 6.5K miles after 12 months, and with the correct oil.

I am would be happy with 12 months and probably about 10k but not 3k as it is with the rising oil issue

 

[dad of jon]

I am would be happy with 12 months and probably about 10k but not 3k as it is with the rising oil issue

I had 3700 on mine before it reached the old X.

Mazda have agreed to refund the cost of the oil change and have mentioned there a service program applies to 'some' 2.2D's which is a new dipstick and PCM upgrade.

not quite a 'recall' but I can understand why they are shy of using that word, because if the uk press gets hold of it, it's bad publicity.

 

[AP72]

Uk press

Don't hold your breath for the uk motoring press doing anything.. I have written to whatcar 3 times about this (the link is earlier in the thread) and even passed on email trails between mazda uk and myself.. Result? Nothing not even a reply... Still gets 5 stars in whatcar though...

My own cx-5 was flashed and dipsticked back in march and touch wood has been fine since... Even had the pleasure of my dealer getting pissed off with mazda uk as I knew about the fix from this forum before they had told their dealers! I honestly thought seat uk were the worst but my oh my do mazda uk make them look good - 10 weeks off the road last year as they couldn't source windscreens for the uk after a stone put an end to mine...

Still maintain there is a truly brilliant car somewhere under that body but mazda are doing their damnest to make sure it doesn't get out...

I had 3700 on mine before it reached the old X.

Mazda have agreed to refund the cost of the oil change and have mentioned there a service program applies to 'some' 2.2D's which is a new dipstick and PCM upgrade.

not quite a 'recall' but I can understand why they are shy of using that word, because if the uk press gets hold of it, it's bad publicity.

 

[dad of jon]

Don't hold your breath for the uk motoring press doing anything.. I have written to whatcar 3 times about this (the link is earlier in the thread) and even passed on email trails between mazda uk and myself.. Result? Nothing not even a reply... Still gets 5 stars in whatcar though...

My own cx-5 was flashed and dipsticked back in march and touch wood has been fine since... Even had the pleasure of my dealer getting pissed off with mazda uk as I knew about the fix from this forum before they had told their dealers! I honestly thought seat uk were the worst but my oh my do mazda uk make them look good - 10 weeks off the road last year as they couldn't source windscreens for the uk after a stone put an end to mine...

Still maintain there is a truly brilliant car somewhere under that body but mazda are doing their damnest to make sure it doesn't get out...

I think the regular press like to splash news about vehicle recalls about, I agree with you about the motoring press. much more of a vested interest.

Just emptied my son's uni flat for the summer into the cx-5 with 3 people in the car too. ate all the stuff up and no real change in how it drove, still bags of go, what a superb car. I even had to reduce the amount the air con was on because it was really chilling the cabin.

re: mazda, I had a zafira 2 cars ago. That was superbly put together, but the dealer experience was poor. With my Kia I found kia UK were very good with the faults I had with the Carens, and they were fixed. But the dealership that did the fixes lost the franchise and the replacement dealership were clowns.

I'm finding the car is great, and the dealer & mazda are putting an effort in.

Also I've found that big city dealership are a bit lazy and take for granted they are going to get your franchise business. I've found that by going out of town you get people who are more customer focused. The city dealership didn't want my business for the cx-5. I wanted a discount. "we don't do discounts- there's a waiting list for them" - lol.

 

[dad of jon]

On my present xtrail cooling the turbo isn't required, as the turbo is cooled after the engine is switched off.

On my previous xtrail the turbo did require cooling, but only after a extended hard run.

Some high performance Subaru's WRX, continue to run the engine after the engine has been switched off.

there is a warning about letting the engine run on, and not to shut off immediately at the end of your trip in the manual. However they also say if the i-stop comes on extra cooling of turbo is NOT required.

So I'd been driving at around 2200rpm on the motorway continuously for 100 miles, then waiting to exit the motorway (traffic lights on roundabout exit) the i-stop came on. So that kinda says you've got to be going seriously fast/caning it or driving in the wrong gear to have a problem with cooling the turbo. when stopping at motorway service stations after an extended run the i-stop comes on. If it doesn't I let it run a bit as per the manual just to be safe. It could of course be in the middle of a re-gen and that's why the i-stop doesn't come on. Again not a problem because my trips are long enough for the regen to complete on the next trip I made.

 

[xtrailman]

Dad

Can you explain why the I-stop light being on would make any difference to the turbo requiring cooling?
Thanks for the information by the way.

 

[Dr_Watson]

iStop on meaning engine off, not light on......

 

[MikeM.]

Can you explain why the I-stop light being on would make any difference to the turbo requiring cooling?

I think the point was that cars with istop and turbos are smart enough to know when the turbo is too hot to safely shut down. So owner's can use that feature to signal whether it's ready to manually shut down (or not).

 

[Dr_Watson]

From my point of view, this is a family car, SUV, being driven normally or with a bit of a heavier foot, you can turn the engine off at the end of any journey. Checking the oil as often as filling with diesel is enough hassle never mind being one of the only family cars where you now need to think about how long to leave the engine running after you reach you destination.

Some cars you need to leave it running, but you see most of them at the Nordschleife with there bonnets open trying to cool down....