Mazdaspeed2oo35 Engine Build Round 2

[Wagonbacker9]

Sorry, but a BBK should have been the FIRST mod to your car. My P5 was crazy fast once I went forged, and I only had upgraded rotors and pads - scared the s*** outta myself more than once trying to haul down a 3000Lb car from 160 in a hurry. Next day, went looking for a BBK and it's still one of the best mods I have done.

What everyone says is true, you had no PLAN for your car, just ordered what you thought was the best of everything and slapped it on, hoping it would all work together. I'm not Protege genius, but I like to think im fairly knowledgeable. I only got there by doing research myself. Have you even read Edwin's FAQ? More info in there than you can shake a stick at!

You need to formulate a PLAN dude. Right now, your only goal is to have 600HP out of an engine that wasnt designed for 1/5th of that. How about just have 450HP, and have it be RELIABLE (relatively) and be able to drive it every day and enjoy it! Trust me, I've been down this road. It's no fun to have a sweet car and not be able to drive it. I haven't driven mine in over a year. You need to change your goal first of all, from being all about HP and focus n what kind of car do you want? If you want an all out race car, then do it! Strip the interior, put in a cage, and race it on the track. If you want a "street" car, then you're gonna need to change your plan drastically. Right now youre just trying to bolt a bunch of s*** on cause it's aftermarket. Do you even know which stock parts work better than aftermarket ones?

Stop wasting money - if you'd have formulated a plan yourself, and chosen parts yourself, and selected a good shop, you could have built your MSP and bought another car by now. Youve wasted so much money on rebuilding it every month. Like everyone says, slow down and think about it.

I disagree that you're not a protege genius. You, TheMan, kz9, and a few others who have posted advice in here CLEARLY know your s*** backward and forward.

I'm glad non-moderators agree, because we're not trying to be obama... though it doesn't sound like the advice is any better received... which is unfortunate. To be fair, the MSP brakes are pretty capable... but at the power levels we're talking here, any sane person planning on using the capabilities of the power created would have upgraded brakes. I'm also going to throw in the fact that for the sake of both handling, and safety in the event of catastrophe, a cage and harness would be smart, but putting a cage in it would basically be admitting that its not a DD. Honestly, I think the "plan" as it stands is to have a dyno race monster, and nothing more. very impressive numbers, which are useless when it comes to using them on anything short of a track, or 2 mile stretch of dry, flat road.

 

[TheMAN]

nothing very impressive on his LAST dyno when his engine was choking to death from bad 626 cams and a bad 626 intake manifold... the only reason his car even made power at 8500rpm was because of a melon sized turbo

my own car is probably the fastest stock boost one there is, and I have NEVER seen a single MSP that makes the same smooth linear power mine does (and I'm not tuned)... I make PEAK power at 6800rpm (if I just whiteoutted all the s*** on the dyno sheet and showed it to someone, they would never guess it's a mazda FS engine)... I've been trying to pass on advice to him to have him enjoy LEGAL smooth power... so the rest is up to him

 

[funktownp5]

Whoa this thread is 59 pages worth of s***! Ok, he took his car to get built. . .

.whatever, its his fault that the car wasnt put together right. Why is everyone still

bashing on this dude. Maybe he doesnt have as much knowledge as everyone else

but let him waste his $$$$ if he wants to LOL. You can only advise so much, give

it up hes gonna do what he wants to do.

 

[TheMAN]

^^^^
wise post of the day

 

[Ricktalife]

Hopefully next year if everything goes right my next mod will be Big Brake Kit and some wheels with wider tires.

Whoa whoa whoa...you're telling me you raced a friend in his Gallardo up to 170 mph (supposedly) and used the stock brakes to slow it down? That's pretty funny considering my friend at work that does the work on my car was just asking me the other day if I had plans for upgraded brakes...I kinda laughed since he always makes jokes about how slow the car is and I informed him the MSP brakes are actually better than the normal protege brakes. So even though upgrading the brakes is always a good idea, it's not really necessary for a car with little more than stock power.

But I'm surprised the fuckers didn't catch on fire when you decided to slow down at 170. That's really dangerous man you need be more careful.

 

[LordWorm]

600hp is rather insane for a street FWD - if it was a dedicated drag car, on slicks, you could get away with it (even then, high powered FWD drag cars are a massive handful to drive). Turn the wick down a little bit, fix up the problems, and you'll probably find the car will be faster than it is now (as it stands now, from a dead stop you can't apply all the power you have without frying the tires off the car - wheel spin = wasted time).

Turning it down will make it less expensive, and more reliable. It'll spend less time in the shop, and more time being fun. You've already proven the motor can go to 500hp - job done. Now rebuild it to be sensible..otherwise you're going to be spending your entire life opening your wallet on this thing.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Whoa whoa whoa...you're telling me you raced a friend in his Gallardo up to 170 mph (supposedly) and used the stock brakes to slow it down? That's pretty funny considering my friend at work that does the work on my car was just asking me the other day if I had plans for upgraded brakes...I kinda laughed since he always makes jokes about how slow the car is and I informed him the MSP brakes are actually better than the normal protege brakes. So even though upgrading the brakes is always a good idea, it's not really necessary for a car with little more than stock power.

But I'm surprised the fuckers didn't catch on fire when you decided to slow down at 170. That's really dangerous man you need be more careful.

Yeah i raced my friends gallardo and beat him as well. Well I have Techa Fit Brake Stainless lines, AP Racing fluid and brembo stock diameter cross drill and slotted rotors with Posi quite low dust ceramic brake pads. They might not be same as a BBK but i can tell you i have no complains about the brakes or suspension car stops better than what you think and handles better than lots cars out there i really have no complains on those 2 things. I will be getting BBK when even i can.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

600hp is rather insane for a street FWD - if it was a dedicated drag car, on slicks, you could get away with it (even then, high powered FWD drag cars are a massive handful to drive). Turn the wick down a little bit, fix up the problems, and you'll probably find the car will be faster than it is now (as it stands now, from a dead stop you can't apply all the power you have without frying the tires off the car - wheel spin = wasted time).

Turning it down will make it less expensive, and more reliable. It'll spend less time in the shop, and more time being fun. You've already proven the motor can go to 500hp - job done. Now rebuild it to be sensible..otherwise you're going to be spending your entire life opening your wallet on this thing.

People in here are putting words in my mouth i havent really said... Im not getting crazy about having 600 HP, i said that was my goal but of course i want and i have said this lots of time i want it to drive better, smoother and little by little fix the remaining overall stuff that i know is going to make the car better. i need better cams, i need BBK, I need to fix the temperature, i need better Intake Manifold, I need Wider tires and wheels etc but i cant buy or fix everything at once.. People are judging me here unfairly and this thread has turned out into something else than advices, people in my point of view are starting to say things i really dont like or agree..

I have always listened to advices from people i know have lots of knowledge and i also see people here saying i dont do this, i dont do that, you should this you should that but i see they have the same stuff in their car and working the same way no i see no point of bashing me about if im being cheap or why i did this i did that ... I really appreciate the positive comments some have left but also pisses me off the negative ones others have. I dont take this personal like i did in the past but in order to judge me you first need to know me and how iam and lots of people here are talking s*** without even knowing me Saying this is better and that is s*** is easy when you havent really tried your self if you know what i mean...


if is so easy to build a race car, why i dont see any or many in here ?? talking is easy doing it and having the cash for it is the hardest im tired of this bull s*** for real, Im not building my car to prove anything or to anybody im doing it because i simply love this car and because til today im able to afford it also i know i cant expect that everyone likes what i say and do but to those i say none of them pay my bills or my hobbies in the end you do it the way you want or like.

I really want thank those that have supported me and that have gave me good info and advices , and to those that dont like this build simply unsubscribe from this thread and just ignored it im saying this with all honesty.

good night man i dont feel like reading all these BS plus im tired as hell once again i worked 14 straight hours..

Mazdaspeed2oo35

 

[Antoine]

Uber Build Threads like this are rare and valuable...Let's keep it FUN, FRIENDLY & INFORMATIVE...Thank you and thanks to Mazdaspeed2oo35 for sharing all this with the Community...Keep it coming! (2thumbs)

 

[big Lou]

I think the tranny will be the next huge issue before he hits 600hp. Just stating the obvious.

 

[StealthWyvern]

I think the tranny will be the next huge issue before he hits 600hp. Just stating the obvious.

(stooges) knuckle head of course thats obvious... what else is left beside the axels?

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

there's nothing on the axle side. he's got drive shaft shop level 3 axles. got them from me.

 

[CulRidr]

Instead of overboring AGAIN, possibly dangerously, why not just buy a used block that you know isn't all rusted to s*** from whatever coolant issue you have? Blocks are DIRT cheap compared to what you have already spent on this car, and I'm pretty sure they are available in Europe unless the European 323s (aka Protegs) didn't get the FS-DE engine.

 

[justanothermp5]

good idea^

 

[TheMAN]

Instead of overboring AGAIN, possibly dangerously, why not just buy a used block that you know isn't all rusted to s*** from whatever coolant issue you have? Blocks are DIRT cheap compared to what you have already spent on this car, and I'm pretty sure they are available in Europe unless the European 323s (aka Protegs) didn't get the FS-DE engine.

everything is expensive in europe... even 626s are rare which are more plentiful than 323F sports

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Instead of overboring AGAIN, possibly dangerously, why not just buy a used block that you know isn't all rusted to s*** from whatever coolant issue you have? Blocks are DIRT cheap compared to what you have already spent on this car, and I'm pretty sure they are available in Europe unless the European 323s (aka Protegs) didn't get the FS-DE engine.

Well is not a bad idea but in here atleast where i live and where the junk yards are there is none 626s with FS-DE Engine or any 4 cylinder ford probe, also here in the Junk Yards they wont sell you just the block, i already ask if they do the block will run between € 350 to € 600 which is ridiculous thats between $ 450 - $ 900....

im picking up the block on monday to take it to the machine shop to get it inspected to see if i need to rebore or just hone the cylinder that the piston failed or all 4, i saw it last week it doesnt look like it needs to be rebore probably a good honing and polishing will get it done to just replace the damaged piston, I will also ask if they can clean all the block to remove the inside rust or dirt, Water pump is new, Rad hoses and used last time Mazda Original Coolant, also we cleaned the radiator.

 

[blazinrola80]

If i have offended you in any way im sorry.. i wish you the best with your build.. i hope you take the advice from some ppl on here.. 450 hp reliable sounds good you should consider it..


btw my race cars are in my shop...

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

If i have offended you in any way im sorry.. i wish you the best with your build.. i hope you take the advice from some ppl on here.. 450 hp reliable sounds good you should consider it..


btw my race cars are in my shop...

You dont need to be sorry man, what i said was not towards you, but is pretty damn easy to come here and bash you know, if is so easy to build a race car why they still have the same s*** and not done it the way they are telling me to ? I wonder why.

The problem here is not 450-500 or 600 HP the problem is one of my new pistons failed for being deffective the HP had nothing to do with it people are just talking s*** in here, I know i still need to fix and upgrade some stuff to make those 600 HP I want reliable, Ive had my car the way it is for the past 4 years and never had any issues, Since my Friend Alejo Putted my Engine Together never had any problems is just that things will not last for ever and the more HP you get the more stuff you need to upgrade. People in here are treating me like im a dumb ass that dont know s*** and they do, but i still dont see any better in their cars if you know what i mean but hey this is the internet like i said none of them pays my bills or hobbies so they can all say what ever they want...

 

[BOOSTR]

Forget about the negative comments. Its your money and car. Keep on doing what makes you happy and heed some of the good advice in here as you move forward.

You are not the first person to have a problem with your extensive build and won't be the last.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Forget about the negative comments. Its your money and car. Keep on doing what makes you happy and heed some of the good advice in here as you move forward.

You are not the first person to have a problem with your extensive build and won't be the last.

But thats the thing, What problem i had in my Build ? According to Wossner that piston was deffective and thats why it failed, Have you seen anything else causing problems ? Ive bought what i should and what was available people are going another route in here and start talking s*** for no reason is not about is my car and money, what gets me mad is if my build is so badly done why all of them almost have what i have you get my point if you know and is easy to build an engine like this or make it better why none of them have once again i wonder why..


When i first started this thread and posted pictures and info everything was awesome, good, well done, now that one deffective piston fail everything ive done is s*** and not done correctly and im being cheap, s*** give me a break

Iam not an ass or arrogant but they are forcing me to be one.