Mazdaspeed 3 CAI ?
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Silver Ecstasy
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I asked my dealer about it and they're in a "waiting on inspection" status.
I researched the COBB SRI and CAI’s extensively. I read all the threads, reviewed the manufactures, listen on Youtube to the differences in sounds, compared DYNO charts and installations. I concluded, because of the area I live, which has extreme weather the CAI ran a greater risk of water intake. This was the reason why Mazda pulled it off the shelf. I live in an area where it snows a lot and rains hard. The CAI being located behind the front wheel is not conducive for maintenance and more susceptible to puddles. Higher maintenance for me would be due to the amount of salt, sand, and dirt dropped during the winter months.
We all know there are good things said about both the SRI and CAI’s. It didn’t come down to cost or taking risks, but more preference after careful consideration. I also didn’t realize it was available, because of the recall, until I was there at the dealership for the SRI and winter wheel installs. Since the installation of the SRI the engine is more responsive, pulls stronger through the higher RPMs and it sounds sweet. It truly lives up to its hype and it has been fun to drive. The only reason I had the dealership perform the installation was to prevent any warranty violations, otherwise I could have performed a 5 step install. Since the dealership did the installation, services were rendered and paid. I don’t foresee them having an issue with a warranty dispute should it arise, but I can’t say that with certainty until I have to cross that bridge. I hear what you are saying though, so thanks for looking out.
I will call the dealer tomorrow and see if the MS3 CAI is being sold and if they can obtain. Will let you all know what I find out…
We all know there are good things said about both the SRI and CAI’s. It didn’t come down to cost or taking risks, but more preference after careful consideration. I also didn’t realize it was available, because of the recall, until I was there at the dealership for the SRI and winter wheel installs. Since the installation of the SRI the engine is more responsive, pulls stronger through the higher RPMs and it sounds sweet. It truly lives up to its hype and it has been fun to drive. The only reason I had the dealership perform the installation was to prevent any warranty violations, otherwise I could have performed a 5 step install. Since the dealership did the installation, services were rendered and paid. I don’t foresee them having an issue with a warranty dispute should it arise, but I can’t say that with certainty until I have to cross that bridge. I hear what you are saying though, so thanks for looking out.
I will call the dealer tomorrow and see if the MS3 CAI is being sold and if they can obtain. Will let you all know what I find out…
Silver Ecstasy
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Mazda did NOT pull the MS3 because of water ingestion..
The MSCAI did not have an air straightener and therefore caused a lean condition. Without the air straightener, the ecu would not be able to compensate Long Term Fuel Trims. Basically, with the turbulent flow, the computer would adjust and adjust and adjust until it was beyond it's range and just basically give up and throw a CEL. After enough complaints and enough research, AEM (original manufacturer) decided to make a air straightener as an accessory piece and offer it to MS3 AEM CAI owners. Unfortunately, it was too late as Mazda had long pulled the MSCAI off their shelves.
Cold Air Intakes are beneficial for what they do for any car. And hydrolock is honestly for incompetent pussies who drive directly into standing lakes of water on the road. The entire bumper is covered underneath so you tell me how the hell water got ON to the filter, and IN the filter. You'd literally have to drive your front bumper entirely into a puddle, deep enough that it would cover the entire front end.
Let it be clear, people do NOT get hydrolock from spraying water or rain.
SRI's have their benefits but you are still sucking in hot air, and that's an ultimate fact no matter how you look at it. I won't turn this into a SRI vs CAI conversation but I will post this helpful article that I was given a while ago from a fellow parts provider that I won't name.
http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/general-info/HotAirWARNING.pdf
No offense Outkast, but as much research as you've done, please do not provide inaccurate information about the MSCAI. The "water ingestion" was simply a speculation given from a few members on the forum and turned into a general consensus. That is not the accurate reason why it was pulled.
The MSCAI did not have an air straightener and therefore caused a lean condition. Without the air straightener, the ecu would not be able to compensate Long Term Fuel Trims. Basically, with the turbulent flow, the computer would adjust and adjust and adjust until it was beyond it's range and just basically give up and throw a CEL. After enough complaints and enough research, AEM (original manufacturer) decided to make a air straightener as an accessory piece and offer it to MS3 AEM CAI owners. Unfortunately, it was too late as Mazda had long pulled the MSCAI off their shelves.
Cold Air Intakes are beneficial for what they do for any car. And hydrolock is honestly for incompetent pussies who drive directly into standing lakes of water on the road. The entire bumper is covered underneath so you tell me how the hell water got ON to the filter, and IN the filter. You'd literally have to drive your front bumper entirely into a puddle, deep enough that it would cover the entire front end.
Let it be clear, people do NOT get hydrolock from spraying water or rain.
SRI's have their benefits but you are still sucking in hot air, and that's an ultimate fact no matter how you look at it. I won't turn this into a SRI vs CAI conversation but I will post this helpful article that I was given a while ago from a fellow parts provider that I won't name.
http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/general-info/HotAirWARNING.pdf
No offense Outkast, but as much research as you've done, please do not provide inaccurate information about the MSCAI. The "water ingestion" was simply a speculation given from a few members on the forum and turned into a general consensus. That is not the accurate reason why it was pulled.
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jam_asian85
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Could have been the Mazdaspeed CAI for the Mazda3 (dunno)
Thank you Silver Ecstasy for your detailed clarification as I found it to be extremely informative. I believe others will find it as equally informative. I appreciate your compassion and as well as your desire for establishing the facts. I guess I was a victim of bad information, but this was what I get for listening to folks within the Mazda parts department. So, no offense taken…just better informed. All that matters now is that I enjoy the SRI, no buyer’s remorse and it puts a smile on my face every time I accelerate. I actually think my MS3 appreciates it as well…
But riddle me this…to state that people do not get hydro lock from spraying rain or water is a slight embellishment of the truth for these reasons:
1. If water can find its way into a distributor cap and stalls an engine I can conclude that water can find its way into a CAI.
2. If hydro lock wasn’t a concern then why would a manufacture such as CPE and Injen make water repellent pre-filters?
3. If hydro lock wasn’t a concern then why would a manufacture through its design process engineer a shield around the filter – i.e. K&N 69 series Typhoon Intake?
I don’t see these items as being simple marketing tactics to raise additional funds around their product, but were designed to address and prevent hydro lock concerns. It does not take incompetence to be in an unlucky situation where hydro lock takes place by underestimating the depth of a puddle after a major rain storm. There has been enough of a general consensus for the manufactures to pay attention.
I agree this isn’t a debate of SRI verses CAI, but a fact that the dealership here is selling the MS3 CAI for $335; confirmed today.
I truly appreciate everyone’s opinion on this forum, advice and guidance. It’s what keeps me coming back.
But riddle me this…to state that people do not get hydro lock from spraying rain or water is a slight embellishment of the truth for these reasons:
1. If water can find its way into a distributor cap and stalls an engine I can conclude that water can find its way into a CAI.
2. If hydro lock wasn’t a concern then why would a manufacture such as CPE and Injen make water repellent pre-filters?
3. If hydro lock wasn’t a concern then why would a manufacture through its design process engineer a shield around the filter – i.e. K&N 69 series Typhoon Intake?
I don’t see these items as being simple marketing tactics to raise additional funds around their product, but were designed to address and prevent hydro lock concerns. It does not take incompetence to be in an unlucky situation where hydro lock takes place by underestimating the depth of a puddle after a major rain storm. There has been enough of a general consensus for the manufactures to pay attention.
I agree this isn’t a debate of SRI verses CAI, but a fact that the dealership here is selling the MS3 CAI for $335; confirmed today.
I truly appreciate everyone’s opinion on this forum, advice and guidance. It’s what keeps me coming back.
There a couple of levels on this. In order to hydrolock an engine, you would have to ingest enough water at one go to fill the squish region in the cylinder (what is left when the piston is at TDC) in one engine revolution. If that happens, the engine will certainly stop and break pieces. But it is almost impossible to do with random splashing; you need to practically submerge the inlet to get it to happen.
Ingesting less than that amount of water won't lock the engine, bit it is still not a good idea which is why hydrophobic pre-filters, shields, etc are put on. Now, adding water injection can be a good thing if done properly, but that is a very controlled thing and is quite different from the random splashing. Plus it is done after the filter so it doesn't get the filter all soggy.
By the way, if you have a CAI you purchased a while ago, you can add the air straghtener. It costs $12 from Summit Racing part number AVM-921070.
Ingesting less than that amount of water won't lock the engine, bit it is still not a good idea which is why hydrophobic pre-filters, shields, etc are put on. Now, adding water injection can be a good thing if done properly, but that is a very controlled thing and is quite different from the random splashing. Plus it is done after the filter so it doesn't get the filter all soggy.
By the way, if you have a CAI you purchased a while ago, you can add the air straghtener. It costs $12 from Summit Racing part number AVM-921070.
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It's rare to hydrolock...
The bigger issue that plagues most cai owners is the water that get's misted onto the CAI via slotted vent holes in the wheel well/undercarriage of the car.
This tends to short circuit maf's.
Easy fix with some black ductape or a sri.
-C
The bigger issue that plagues most cai owners is the water that get's misted onto the CAI via slotted vent holes in the wheel well/undercarriage of the car.
This tends to short circuit maf's.
Easy fix with some black ductape or a sri.
-C
Silver Ecstasy
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I appreciate the compliments!! I still do not think that the filter can suck in droplets of water after the filter has been "misted" with water. This is really all that could happen if you were following someone in the rain.
1) Personally, I don't have experience at all with this one, but I can say I had a CAI on previous cars and never had issues other than avoiding gigantic bodies of water.
2) A Pre-Filter is simply a preventative measure. It's really no different than an Oil Catch Can. It's a preventative measure and it's proven to help your chances of preventing damage.
3) The MSCAI has a splash shield not only for the slots in the wheel lining but from water getting onto the filter from inside the engine bay as well.
The K&N typhoon series merely is just trying to prevent any heat soak by trying to devise some form of caged area for the air to be less hot.
I don't know if blocking those vents would do any good or harm. Maybe they possibly provide some ventilation to the braking area? Who knows really.
I wanted to point out that you said $335 for MSCAI. Where did you see this price at? I'm very interested to know, because my salesperson is keeping his eyes open for the MSCAI to get re-released at his dealer so he can sell me one at cost. I'm curious if your price is the actual current rate, or if it's still selling for $399 like the website says.
Compass Mazda in Middletown, NY.
I made certain to ask about the price due to an article they hung on their MS display. The article was describing a 2007 MS3 that had all legitimate MS aftermarket components. Basically the article wanted to illustrate the additional gains to be had by using MS parts that did not void existing warranties. In the article they listed the original MSCAI cost, but someone had inked out and hand written in as $335. The article praised the MSCAI and totted that it was the only after market part that generated the most hp gain. It stated that Mazda states the MS exhaust has no gains over the OEM muffler.
Because of something you posted earlier, regarding your dealer, I asked why they (the dealer here) are able to sale and not another dealership out of state. He came back with, well if we can sale it, Mazda has released it and there should be no reason why this other dealership can’t offer it. I suggest having your dealer contact Compass…
I will be back at their shop this coming Wednesday as I had some winter tires installed and now my tire pressure light flashes occasionally. I’ll snag a photo of the MSCAI on display and post. Let me know if there is anything you would like for me to request or ask while I’m there.
I also believe I saw the MSCAI going for $357 on SU
I made certain to ask about the price due to an article they hung on their MS display. The article was describing a 2007 MS3 that had all legitimate MS aftermarket components. Basically the article wanted to illustrate the additional gains to be had by using MS parts that did not void existing warranties. In the article they listed the original MSCAI cost, but someone had inked out and hand written in as $335. The article praised the MSCAI and totted that it was the only after market part that generated the most hp gain. It stated that Mazda states the MS exhaust has no gains over the OEM muffler.
Because of something you posted earlier, regarding your dealer, I asked why they (the dealer here) are able to sale and not another dealership out of state. He came back with, well if we can sale it, Mazda has released it and there should be no reason why this other dealership can’t offer it. I suggest having your dealer contact Compass…
I will be back at their shop this coming Wednesday as I had some winter tires installed and now my tire pressure light flashes occasionally. I’ll snag a photo of the MSCAI on display and post. Let me know if there is anything you would like for me to request or ask while I’m there.
I also believe I saw the MSCAI going for $357 on SU
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Silver Ecstasy
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Yeah, find out what the part number is. I'd like to verify that the part number is the same as what I had my dealer look up.
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That's the old part number.
I am 99.99% sure that they would update/change the part number if they revised the intake.
Your dealer is trying to sell you a discontinued intake.
-C
+1 thats the part number from my receipt for the one i bought in may of 07
