Warning!! Mazda Reps

[Young Roids]

I'm going to quit writing swampass on my work orders.

as I will stop writing Young Roids on mine.(yes)

 

[Young Roids]

why should they have won the lawsuit? If competition racing voids their warranty and they got caught they deserve it. I think it's total bulls*** that everyone does all this s*** to their car, but they get all pissed when their s*** gets voided like they were owed something just for buying the car. Everyone in here knows when they are breaking their warranty and if you get caught then that's the consequences...It's such bulls*** that people cry and b**** about the dealerships trying to void warranties when the car owners HAVE VOIDED THEIR WARRANTY!

They are a business and they are trying to cut down on bulls*** claims because it costs them time and money. The dealership told every motherf-er out there what would cause their warranty to be voided and people are actually surprised that dealerships are trying to keep from basically being defrauded.

I mean seriously, what the f-ck would you do if you owned a retail store and then you saw there were forums all over the internet where people are talking about how they bought your product, then destroyed it by nothing other than their own stupidity, but they were going to take it back to your store and make it look like it wasnt their fault for breaking it. Then you have to pay out of pocket for every idiot trying to pull a fast one.

IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR WARRANTY BEING VOIDED THEN DON'T MODIFY YOUR CAR...

In all reality this post is correct. +1

 

[MS3077]

In all reality this post is correct. +1

Kinda vague if you ask me..

 

[newwildchild]

on a final note

when I was at the dealer I notice that they got this site link to there computer
showroom

 

[AutoXRacer]

on a final note

when I was at the dealer I notice that they got this site link to there computer
showroom

Sweet!!! (2thumbs)

 

[AutoXRacer]

A local guy got his warranty voided and his claim denied by Chevy after he was caught at the track in his Cobalt last summer. I don't recall the problem with the car. Local dealer had pics of his VIN as well as his plates, while doing laps, at a track day.

Thats kind of funny when you think that Chevy includes a 2 step rev limiter for drag racing/launching purposes in the Cobalt SS, HHR SS and the new ZR1 Corvette...

Manufactures need to stop advertising/promoting their "tuner" vehicles for motor sports if they are not willing to stand behind their warrantee... Why include features like 2 step rev limiters, special launching systems, no-lift shift, etc if the car is not meant to be used in that fashion?

The last thing I'll say is that, modding a car with "basic" bolt-ons (intake, CBE, even headers, etc) should not void the warranty, especially if the manufacturer offers these parts; Mazdaspeed, Ford Motor Sports/SVT, Nismo, TRD, etc. Anything beyond that, ECU piggy backs, stand-alones, NOS, turning up boost, etc is at the owners risk.

If the vehicle's tunning is left stock or reflashed by the manufacturer, then they should be liable for any failures that might arise even with simple bolt-ons. Manufactures design large safety margins in their vehicles, so there is some room to mod safely within the manufacturers margin of safety.

But we don't live in a perfect (ideal) world, so whats logical does not apply... And I don't think its Mazda/the manufacturer voiding warranties either, its more of the independent dealers that trying to save a buck.
But I do agree with redrocketz, its how to communicate and treat (the rapport you have with) your local dealer/service people that will dictate whether your vehicle gets warranty work granted.

The end... (2thumbs) (lol2)

This thread may now be closed!!!! (outie)

 

[aaronc7]

^^ especially considering (at least for us) many boltons available from the rest of the market (not mazdaspeed) are better designed than the mazdaspeed parts. For example the MS CAI..CPE and cobb both paid a lot more attention to things like MAF size housing, flow straightener, etc.

On that same note, I asked the service people what they would do I did have a problem and had non Mazdaspeed parts....they said if the aftermarket part I had was related to the problem, they would just ask me to come back with the stock or mazdaspeed parts and they would be able to perform the work. Mazdaspeed parts just aren't viewed as aftermarket in their eyes. The specific issue I was talking about was the MAF. Mine went bad, and got it replaced no problem b/c I had the MS CAI at the time. If I had the Cobb SRI like I do now, I would have just swapped it out and put the stock airbox back in...no biggie to me. Now....if I had to put the stock DP back on I'd be pretty pissed, lol. If they had a mazdaspeed DP that would be something I would consider! lol

 

[MS3077]

Thats kind of funny when you think that Chevy includes a 2 step rev limiter for drag racing/launching purposes in the Cobalt SS, HHR SS and the new ZR1 Corvette...

Manufactures need to stop advertising/promoting their "tuner" vehicles for motor sports if they are not willing to stand behind their warrantee... Why include features like 2 step rev limiters, special launching systems, no-lift shift, etc if the car is not meant to be used in that fashion?

The last thing I'll say is that, modding a car with "basic" bolt-ons (intake, CBE, even headers, etc) should not void the warranty, especially if the manufacturer offers these parts; Mazdaspeed, Ford Motor Sports/SVT, Nismo, TRD, etc. Anything beyond that, ECU piggy backs, stand-alones, NOS, turning up boost, etc is at the owners risk.

If the vehicle's tunning is left stock or reflashed by the manufacturer, then they should be liable for any failures that might arise even with simple bolt-ons. Manufactures design large safety margins in their vehicles, so there is some room to mod safely within the manufacturers margin of safety.

But we don't live in a perfect (ideal) world, so whats logical does not apply... And I don't think its Mazda/the manufacturer voiding warranties either, its more of the independent dealers that trying to save a buck.
But I do agree with redrocketz, its how to communicate and treat (the rapport you have with) your local dealer/service people that will dictate whether your vehicle gets warranty work granted.

The end... (2thumbs) (lol2)

This thread may now be closed!!!! (outie)

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very well said

 

[MS3077]

Well perhaps this thread should stay open... Seems to be a pretty hott topic.

Put then again I think autoxracer said enough to end the discussion

P.S. I really hope I didn't come across as an asshole by starting this. Just trying to help my fellow MS3'er.

 

[AutoXRacer]

Well perhaps this thread should stay open... Seems to be a pretty hott topic.

Put then again I think autoxracer said enough to end the discussion

P.S. I really hope I didn't come across as an asshole by starting this. Just trying to help my fellow MS3'er.

Nah, its a legitimate concern... And come on, thats what forums are for...
Take it with a grain of salt... Is that how the saying goes...?(huh) (lol2)

 

[dparm1984]

And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

I’d like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.

 

[Rotary_Powered]

Take off your plates, get track insurance AND use an Alias while at the track. Tap over the vin on your window. Don't "over mod" problem solved.

 

[crashkelly]

Kinda vague if you ask me..

first off i dont see any vagueness in what I originally posted....but to make it clearer for you

"IF YOU VALUE YOUR WARRANTY DO NOT VOID IT BY INSTALLING PARTS THE PIECE OF PAPER LABELLED "WARRANTY" SAYS NOT TOO..."

YOU SIGNED THE CONTRACT WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE CAR SO MAN UP AND HONOR YOUR CONTRACT OR PAY FOR YOUR MECHANIC BILLS OUT OF POCKET

I do...

 

[crashkelly]

Thats kind of funny when you think that Chevy includes a 2 step rev limiter for drag racing/launching purposes in the Cobalt SS, HHR SS and the new ZR1 Corvette...

Manufactures need to stop advertising/promoting their "tuner" vehicles for motor sports if they are not willing to stand behind their warrantee... Why include features like 2 step rev limiters, special launching systems, no-lift shift, etc if the car is not meant to be used in that fashion?

The last thing I'll say is that, modding a car with "basic" bolt-ons (intake, CBE, even headers, etc) should not void the warranty, especially if the manufacturer offers these parts; Mazdaspeed, Ford Motor Sports/SVT, Nismo, TRD, etc. Anything beyond that, ECU piggy backs, stand-alones, NOS, turning up boost, etc is at the owners risk.

If the vehicle's tunning is left stock or reflashed by the manufacturer, then they should be liable for any failures that might arise even with simple bolt-ons. Manufactures design large safety margins in their vehicles, so there is some room to mod safely within the manufacturers margin of safety.

But we don't live in a perfect (ideal) world, so whats logical does not apply... And I don't think its Mazda/the manufacturer voiding warranties either, its more of the independent dealers that trying to save a buck.
But I do agree with redrocketz, its how to communicate and treat (the rapport you have with) your local dealer/service people that will dictate whether your vehicle gets warranty work granted.

The end... (2thumbs) (lol2)

This thread may now be closed!!!! (outie)

The problem with this is that we arent arguing about the mods that the dealership sells...If they sell it at the dealership they WILL offer you a warranty on it.

The Mazdaspeed3 Cold Air intake IS under warranty if you buy it at the dealer

And you cant blame the manufacturer for making a sportier car and not warrantying your aftermarket parts by saying "well they made it sporty already so they were "expecting me to mod it"" thats just bulls*** rhetoric....

We are talking about something so simple...

You signed a contract with a warranty when you bought the car....they expect you to honor the warranty or pay out of pocket....just like you expect them to honor the warranty and pay for something when it breaks when you havent voided the warranty.

I dont get why half the people out there walk around like entitled assholes thinking they expect to get away with something. They think that they deserve to be able to put these things on their car even though they SIGNED A CONTRACT! Doesnt a persons word mean anything anymore?? I wanted to mod my car and I voided my warranty so you wont find me trying to scam a dealership for parts.

Plus you know what happens when some entitled asshole pulls a fast one on the dealer for warranty work that wasnt deserved? THEY PASS THAT COST ON TO THE REST OF THE CONSUMERS WHO FOLLOWED THE RULES!

 

[crashkelly]

Dude, take a chill pill already!!!

What Mazda dealership do you work for anyway?
I'll be sure not to go to that one...

And why the f#$K would you care anyway? Your driving a 5 yr old car

I care because its bulls*** to think you deserve to mod a car and then when it breaks to get new parts for free off the warranty

 

[downtube]

something that complicates this is that mazda pays the dealership to perform warranty work. warranty work is gravy to dealers. so when you show up with a modded car needing work, the dealer has these choices:

- void your warranty. why would the dealer do this? he's losing the opportunity to do any further warranty work on your car. unless he's very loyal to mazda or scrupulously honest, I don't know why he'd do this.

- refuse to do the work under warranty, but leave your warranty alone. mazda would probably prefer he void your warranty, but the dealer's straddling the fence between making the customer happy and playing by the rules. He's hoping you'll have the work done and pay out-of-pocket.

- tell you to put the car back to stock, then do the work under warranty. this is dishonest (cheating mazda), but makes easy money for the dealer and makes the customer happy.

- do the work under warranty on your modded car, and turn the paperwork in to mazda for payment. again dishonest, cheating mazda.

the dealer makes money selling cars, and aftermarket parts help him sell cars. he makes money doing warranty work, and he makes money doing non-warranty work. but he doesn't want to piss mazda off to much. each dealer is going decide where to draw the line.

a mazda rep, on the other hand, is working for the corporation and doesn't have the dealer's mixed motives.

 

[Betelgeuse]

I care because its bulls*** to think you deserve to mod a car and then when it breaks to get new parts for free off the warranty

I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. I'm not anti-mods at all, but I'm willing to see both sides of this issue.

 

[dparm1984]

Downtube has said it very well.

Dealers don't like modded cars because they cause more headaches. Techs get surprises because the owner isn't 100% honest when dropping the car off, or the tech has no manual on how to deal with an aftermarket part.

This makes more work for them and causes frustration since now they have to go against "the book" and work around things.

 

[downtube]

...the tech has no manual on how to deal with an aftermarket part.

This makes more work for them and causes frustration since now they have to go against "the book" and work around things.

I didn't even think about that angle. mazda pays the dealer book time for a warranty repair, and the dealer pay's the tech book time. if the car isn't stock, the tech can't necessarily work by the book and will probably take longer. that's money out of the tech's pocket and the dealer's.

 

[dparm1984]

Well the dealer will find a way to bill you for it, but that can get tricky since they have to almost "time" things.


Example:

My old car had a dual-stage intake manifold. One set of runners for low RPM, another set for high RPM. I removed this and swapped it for a single-stage IM (to shift the powerband higher and make it coincide more with the gearing and other parts). This involved redoing a lot of vacuum and coolant hoses.

Six months later I had some idle problems. Dropped it off at the dealer, and they called me 30 minutes later...they got confused by the non-standard vacuum lines and said it might take them longer to diagnose and fix, hence cost more. He had to bill me for the standard book time plus an extra 30 minutes.

They weren't happy, nor was I.