PnP Standalone engine management

[shaodome]

It has been said before....whoever can make it work first, stands to make some cash. The Hyrda stuff is a really nice piece...

I'd be in.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

I'd take one as long as there are tuners or really good base maps...

the hydra commands a lot of support in the tuning world so there would be no shortage of people with experience

im interested in the product just not the price.

in this market price is directly correlated to quality and features

 

[nypest]

the hydra commands a lot of support in the tuning world so there would be no shortage of people with experience



in this market price is directly correlated to quality and features

Any sort of time frame as for when the product might be aval? ?

 

[SwampAss]

the hydra commands a lot of support in the tuning world so there would be no shortage of people with experience



in this market price is directly correlated to quality and features

Price is directly related to what the market will bear.
$1600 to $2200 or more is redonkulous. I'm not saying that the amount of RnD doesn't warrant the price being suggested. I'm saying that I'd chop the hell out of some factory wiring for a unit that costs a little over 1/4 if I wanted to go that route.

 

[subparpunk03]

Hydra is good stuff. I've seen it used on the 2zz quite a bit, and i would definately be interested, especially since its going to be another year or so before Cobb is able to get us our tuning stuff.

 

[Aricjm15]

Price is directly related to what the market will bear.
$1600 to $2200 or more is redonkulous. I'm not saying that the amount of RnD doesn't warrant the price being suggested. I'm saying that I'd chop the hell out of some factory wiring for a unit that costs a little over 1/4 if I wanted to go that route.

This is a fair price for a standalone. Most units start at 1000 and they dont come with many of the features (flat foot shifting, launch controll, ability to do anti-lag) and they also don't come plug and play. A USED Tec3r from electromotive typically sells for more than $1300. A universal Wolf3d unit with no base map sells for $1800.

The $1600 to $2200 just an estimate of what the price could be since we have not received pricing yet. Hydra units normally sell starting at $1500 but that does not include the auto tune parts and a few other things.

The price will be lower than $2200, but not lower then $1500. If you find a wire in unit that would work for 1/4 the price let us all know. Only one that could come close would be a megasquirt, and those things are nowhere near as powerful and have none of the features that this unit does.

 

[SwampAss]

I'm on the same page now. I see the Xede and Standback as stand alone systems also but see the differences between what's being offered here vs. what limitations the other systems have.

To the average joe lug head tuner like myself, a unit with features such as those would probably be lost on me. To someone who competitively drag races they'd probably be paramount.

I'm trying to live in today's age with 8 bit nintendo controller skills. The playstation threw me for a loop.

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[Aricjm15]

I'm on the same page now. I see the Xede and Standback as stand alone systems also but see the differences between what's being offered here vs. what limitations the other systems have.

To the average joe lug head tuner like myself, a unit with features such as those would probably be lost on me. To someone who competitively drag races they'd probably be paramount.

I'm trying to live in today's age with 8 bit nintendo controller skills. The playstation threw me for a loop.

ABBA ABAB AABB ABBA UDUD LRL start

The Xede and Standback are nowhere close to being a standalone, they trick the ecu into doing their bidding. With the Hydra you could completely remove the factory ecu and drive the car. The hyrda would completely remove all current limitations, throttle plate, boost cut, maxing out the MAF and MAP. You would be able to go past the power level that the Xede and standback currently get stuck at.

 

[SwampAss]

I'm learning. (headbang)

 

[ZooMIN3]

This is gonna be sick. I think I'm going to hold off until this is readily available. Count me in on the Hydra system for the Speed3. Since it'll be awhile before production starts; I'm setting my Xede funds aside for this cool tool.

Question; with this standalone system being able to run/mod all those functions listed on the OP posts; will I or any other users have the ability to utilize a laptop and modify on the fly with a software/program that may come with the standalone system? Or is that a whole different story? thanks in advance!

*goes to add a few more pennies to the Xede,....no wait; Hydra Funds....

 

[redrocketz]

yes you can tune on the fly with provided software on your laptop or a car PC if you want to be real trick about it.

 

[nypest]

Yes. Thats the only way hydra sells a product.

complete PNP im in unless its 2 years for it to roll out !!!?

Put me on the list!!!!

 

[shaodome]

Only one that could come close would be a megasquirt, and those things are nowhere near as powerful and have none of the features that this unit does.

That is very much incorrect. Do not assume the low price point for a lack of features or abilities. The only reason I have not gone the MS route for my speed3 is because it is batch fire and that won't place nice with the direct injection. You need something that can control the timing of the injection event. I've played with this on MoTec and its a cool feature...especially for rotaries.

The difference in price comes in the DIY nature, not lack of features (friday).

 

[Haltech]

i see a lot of people blowing up their s*** with this setup. Nice, sign me up!

 

[Aricjm15]

That is very much incorrect. Do not assume the low price point for a lack of features or abilities. The only reason I have not gone the MS route for my speed3 is because it is batch fire and that won't place nice with the direct injection. You need something that can control the timing of the injection event. I've played with this on MoTec and its a cool feature...especially for rotaries.

The difference in price comes in the DIY nature, not lack of features (friday).

I have used one, it is very much lacking in features and capabilities in comparison to the Hydra.

 

[abentley79]

I would like to see it available for the mazdaspeed6.

 

[shaodome]

I have used one, it is very much lacking in features and capabilities in comparison to the Hydra.

Heh...what version did you use? Code variant, MS1 or MS2, etc?

The biggest thing it has going for it over MS is just software based right now.

This is going to get a little off topic as MS can't run a DISI engine right now and there is no current plans for it to support it....

My personal MS on my mx6 does:

16x12 fuel tables that fully interpolate (btw, does Nemisis do that?) so the use of a 32x32 can be a bit overkill for many mid boost solutions.

switchable spark fuel maps (on the fly)

Speed Density or MAF
Nitrous control
AntiLag
Flatshift/Launch control
Water Injection
Staged injectors
Wasted spark (I run wasted on my v6, can do seq. 4cyl)
can run low-z inj. out the box (no dropping resistors)
closed loop afr correction using up to two o2 sensors/autotune
wideband support (doesn't include driver like the Hydra does, though...thus requires external controller currently)
soft and hard cut limiters with either spark/fuel or both.
boost control
knock control
4 bar map sensor onboard (comes with a 21psi sensor stock)
multiple programmable outputs
tach output
Air and Coolant corrections
baro correction
overboost protection

and all the typical EMS configurable software stuff (dwell, injector opening time, ego limits, etc).

Now I am not trying to say one or the other is better here, they each have their own purpose in the after market areas. The MS is so much more affordable because its DIY. For example, I have all of the above and not even $320 invested in it. When you buy the kit, it is far from a Turn Key solution like the Hydra is.

Does it do things like sequential injection or cylinder trim? Not currently, but the hardware design is basically done (router board) and its just software development that is going on to properly implement it.

Would I pit it against some other EMS solutions out there, absolutely. I've converted many a users from Hatlech and SDS units over to MS and all of them have been thankful.

Whatever you used must have been very outdated (drinks)

I apologize for getting WAY WAY WAY off topic. As I told Ken on the phone last week. If you guys and Hyrda could come to an initial agreement to get the project going, I'd be a customer as I can't stand the unpredictability of the stock ECU. Whoever makes it to market first gets my cash.

 

[sleeping_blue]

all i wont to know is how long until it can be in my hands you say u dont have any in production so its safe to assume were talking a quite a few months down the road. i need something like this now

 

[Captain KRM P5]

I apologize for getting WAY WAY WAY off topic. As I told Ken on the phone last week. If you guys and Hyrda could come to an initial agreement to get the project going, I'd be a customer as I can't stand the unpredictability of the stock ECU. Whoever makes it to market first gets my cash.

I'd not object to a Megasquirt system for this car at all. As you said, there are some software limitations with that for this application though. I feel much the same way as you - whoever wants to bring something to the plate I'll work with. we have plug and play harnesses for the mazdaspeed6 already and ms3 ones are not far behind.

 

[AWDms6]

Very interested!