Worst Mazda dealership ever (Montreal)

Metal MP5 said:
hey djstan, i got that rubber dashboard thingy too by mail about 2 weeks ago. its nice when im in traffic but as soon as i take corners a little bit faster, my cell phone always flies so it sucks after all

I also heard horror stories concerning Mazda 2-20 pretty much like yours. I bought a 2003 P5 from Spinelli in lachine back in 2002 and had good service. There was one guy working for the service department that would look at me like i was some kind of retard when i was talking to him, but other than that, they were ok, but i never had anything major with the car. Now, i brought it in at Albi Mazda in mascouche in february and left with a Mazdaspeed ... i have an appointment thursday this week for an oil change and i also told the guy i have clunk in the rear suspension. He was just writting down what i was telling him and didnt comment on anything ... so i guess ill see how much they'll cooperate and let you guys know.

List of things they have to take care of this week: oil change, fix clunk, i have a huge "toc" noise sometimes when i hit a pot hole, seems to come from the front-left wheel/suspension and my rear-right window doesn't work.

we'll see how long it takes them to fix all that and how good of a job they do.
yeah i was pretty sure the rubbery thing was a load of crap. I mean we buy the cars because of the Zoom Zoom advertising campaign right? So they give us something that can't be used when you are actually Zoom Zooming. :P

As for 2-20, I had this feeling that they weren't the greatest dealership, but I was never sure, I had never heard anything that bad from anyone, so I thought everything was ok. I heard Lachine was pretty decent as well.

In case anyone cares, I've had the best service on any car I've owned at Mazda Longeuil. Those guys treat you like kings, the mechanics are SUPER friendly and they do the work quickly. They even do small things for you without adding it as labour to the work order, at least not that I ever noticed. I highly recommend them, and will be taking my car back to them again now. I had stopped because they're so far from me, I took a chance on a dealership that was closer and it got me nowhere.

Either way, let us know how you're servicing goes. It'd be good to see how many dealers don't handle things correctly.
 
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Just got off the phone with Mr. Gamache from 2-20 (service mgr) and I asked for a refund on the lifetime warranty. Funny, when I anounced myself he wasn't sure at all who I was. He then realized that he had received a letter about me or something, at least that's what I understood.

Anyways, he said to hold on while he checks Mazda cost for the brake job without the warranty, and then he said he would call me back tomorrow. I have a feeling the difference between with and without warranty is big enough that he has to check with the dealer's manager to get approval. If it really is that large, then I think Mazda Canada are even worse off because they specifically responded to me in the letter that "the brakes would be slightly more costly than the standard warranty offered by the manufacturer.".

I think it'll just come down to Mazda Canada having contacted the dealer simply to find excuses to satisfy me. I'll let you all know if I get some sort of a refund. Enry: good idea dawg.
 
How's the SS... I did not see it yet. My next mod--CAI. You can getone too, they're not too expensive if you go no name brand.
 
Ok, enry's post really cracked me up. Probably because I can relate to it so well. LOL

Anyways, here's some things I learned with trying to get Mazda USA/Japan and Canada to even ADMIT there was a problem, yet alone fix it.

1. Most of the Mazda dealers don't have a F'n clue about the product they are selling.
2. Dealers do seem however to be trained on how to come up with lame ass excuses for not fixing you car. They also seem to have formal training in brain washing customers into thinking that things like smoke coming from your engine is normal.

3. Jokes aside. CUSTOMER SERVICE REPS ARE A WASTE OF TIME. They are Robots. Almost like Mcdonald employee's. They cut/paste reponses, and I doubt half of them even really READ or listen to what your saying. You want something done, you NEED to go higher up. The president might be a little too high. But district Managers are a definite start. Find out when they visit, and MAKE a meeting. Get in their face about it, that's the only way.

Of course, if there's another dealer, avoid the headache all together, and do that instead.
 
oh, and I also have that anti stick pad thing. Stuck it in the compartment under the stereo, and it actually works. Stuff doesn't slide around. Go figure.

Oh, and after telling them to take my mp3 and stick up their ass....I got a 31,000 KEY CHAIN( Canadian price with taxes/extra's for mp3 in 2001) .

That's was the LAST straw, a complete insult, and what made me REALLY go full force into finding a fix for all of us.

ACtually in the end, I was very impressed with how they handled my case, and have been very happy ever sense. But I lucked into a good district manager taht got the ball rolling, and made some noise.
 
djstan said:
Just got off the phone with Mr. Gamache from 2-20 (service mgr) and I asked for a refund on the lifetime warranty. Funny, when I anounced myself he wasn't sure at all who I was. He then realized that he had received a letter about me or something, at least that's what I understood.

Anyways, he said to hold on while he checks Mazda cost for the brake job without the warranty, and then he said he would call me back tomorrow. I have a feeling the difference between with and without warranty is big enough that he has to check with the dealer's manager to get approval. If it really is that large, then I think Mazda Canada are even worse off because they specifically responded to me in the letter that "the brakes would be slightly more costly than the standard warranty offered by the manufacturer.".

I think it'll just come down to Mazda Canada having contacted the dealer simply to find excuses to satisfy me. I'll let you all know if I get some sort of a refund. Enry: good idea dawg.
I did not receive the call as promised. If I hear nothing tommorow I will be contacting him.
 
enry said:
Your whole story. I did not hear of it yet.
No disrespect man, been under a rock lately? Just kidding.

Seriously. MP3 section, There are various Clunk threads started by me. The main one on the 1st page has a bit of the story, but there are other large threads barried in there somewhere. A lot of the stuff that happened I did not post due to risking my relationship with Mazda ( they were watching the site) I started fighting with Mazda in Nov 2001. Started with Mazda Canada, then USA, got Racing Beat involved, and then Mazda Japan. not to honk my own horn but, myself, and a few that assisted from this site are the reason why the 156E bushings exist. I went through f'n hell for near 2 years trying to get something done about the clunk. I was meeting with Mazda reps almost once a week for months at a stretch, which eventually turned into every month. Even talked to some of the main Engineers/Design team trying to solve the issue. I was testing the other bushings they tried before the E's. That being said. Someone else tested the E's before they were release. I suspect one of their own, and they released them BEFORE I had any say. Which was strange, as up to that point, I was testing, until they broke, and moved on to the next and so on. Now, knock on wood, but I have had my E's on since Nov 2003. All is good so far.


Anyways, thats the summed up version. It's old news now. I'm surprised you didn't know.
 
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the saga comes to a miserable but completely forseeable ending:

Lori E. Hook
Mazda Canada Inc.
305 Milner Ave., Ste. 400
Scarborough, Ontario M1B 3V4, Canada

Dear Ms. Hook,

I do not believe you understood the original tone of my letter, nor did you fully take the time to read it in detail. You did not address all of my concerns. I believed I had been deceived, and still do based on the responses I have received by yourself and the dealership. You should have been reading my original letter as a customer who could have been through the same thing, not as a customer service coordinator. I too work in customer service and am well aware of the difference in perception between the corporation and the customer. $143 is not a "slight" difference in price versus the Mazda offered warranty for brakes. Let me re-iterate that the price charged was for the front brakes and not all four, as I had understood. I was told the only thing available was the extended warranty and I felt forced to accept it, but based on all four being replaced, not two. By the time I brought the car to the dealer for servicing I had 10% front brake level. I don't know if you've ever driven a car in that state, but it feels as if the car will not be able to stop if it really needs to. Like most people, I work, during the day, when the dealer is open. I was not able to shop around or take the time to really think about whether or not I should get the work done. Ultimately, the responsibility was mine for not being careful about what I accepted. I don't think anyone in they're right mind would think that $450 is reasonable for the front brakes, but I digress. I still believe I paid the high price to cover the cost of the bumper.

As for the claim that 2-20 was unaware that there was an issue with the exhaust and the belt whine, well, I told the service person when dropping off the car that the exhaust needed to be checked for a leak. The belt wasn't whining until AFTER I received my car back from the dealer (which I should have mentioned in the original letter). You also did not address my claim that the lighting system was not checked, how could it have passed the test with a dead headlight bulb (which I replaced at my own personal cost)? Does that not mean the test was not done at all? That is what I believe.

I contacted Mr. Gamache from 2-20 (20/04/2004 5:30PM) and I asked for a refund on the lifetime warranty. Funny, when I announced myself he wasn't sure at all who I was. He then realized that he had "received a letter about me". He said to hold on while he checks Mazda's cost for the brake job without the warranty. After a long pause, I was told he would call me back the next day and took down my cell phone number. I did not hear back from anyone as of the evening on 22/04/2004. I called Mr. Gamache and he transferred me to the person that was supposed to have contacted me. I was informed I would receive a $143 credit for the brakes.

You had asked me to readdress the remaining issues with the dealer. I don't feel like risking my fairly large purchase after the failure in operation I have seen so far. I dont have the luxury to deal with problems like this, I have neither the time or the money. I don't think "you can trust that my constructive feedback regarding my dissatisfaction will be reviewed with the intent of avoiding this type of situation in the future." since Mr. Pierre Gamache never felt it necessary to return my call as promised. If this dealership really took its customers seriously, that would not have happened. If they did, maybe they would have contacted me and arranged to correct the problems. Instead, I contacted them.

You see, I was prompted to write the letter in the first place because of all the small odd things that added up to be a big problem. I have spoken to many people in person and on the internet regarding this specific dealership. In one week, I have found 7 people who have directly had problems with the service department at 2-20. I am not the only one having trouble with them and I did not have to try hard to find those people. Imagine how far I might get if I put as much effort as I have in trying to get satisfaction from Mazda!

I am now in a position where I must make the time to get the car fixed, as it should have been by someone else, of course, at an extra cost. I have an exhaust system issue, a belt that whines for no reason and must replace my rear brakes. I have to wonder how accurate the dealer was if they claimed I had 55% brakes in the rear and four months later that they need replacing (back brakes are squeaking). Unless it has something to do with the MT000003995 Technical Service Bulletin. The least I could explain is that I am frustrated.

I'm sorry to say that this has had a "negative impact on my overall ownership experience". In my mind a company does not get more than one second chance, this was Mazda's, and I feel Mazda came up short. I don't expect anything will be done, I just feel that someone at head office needs to be told that whatever good Mazda marketing, designers and engineers are doing is being obliterated by bad after purchase support at all levels.
 
Newf said:
No disrespect man, been under a rock lately? Just kidding.

(snippety snip snip)

Anyways, thats the summed up version. It's old news now. I'm surprised you didn't know.
Ah yes, that saga. I recall. Thanks for the bushings, they work.
 
hehehe... I hope they send you a keychain or some worthless trinket. The best would be another anti-slip dash mat.
 
djstan, awesome letter

I just got back from Albi Mazda a few minutes ago. Like i said before, i had a few issues.

-Rear-right window does not work
-Clunk rear suspension
-HUGE clunk front suspension when i hit big pot holes
-Oil Change

All that took 2 hours .... so i'm kinda dissapointed. The guy knew about the bushins when i talking about my rear suspension, so i didn't have to fight to make him hear my point. BUT ........ they didn't have any in stock. He said all they had to do to fix my front suspension problem was readjusting the bar/bushing (???). I don't know why all that took so long but anyway, they were nice. He said they ordered the bushings and will call me back as soon as they have them. So let's see how that goes. hopefully it wont take 6 months

SKY- Whici dealer ordered your bushings ?
 
My bushigs were backorder also... i don't mind waiting. I hate wasting my time (ie, fighting to get servicing done, showing up only to be told the part isn't there.. etc)
 
yea i hate wasting my time too

I don't mind having to go back ... at least he knew right away what i was talking about.
 
enry said:
hehehe... I hope they send you a keychain or some worthless trinket. The best would be another anti-slip dash mat.
YES! Because that way it would make me think I was a cared for Mazda enthousiast. Where as right now, I am nothing better than a piece of s****. That keychain or anti-slip mat would COMPLETELY change the way I feel.
 
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