Why not try this piggyback?

[Focus]

this thread has turned into one big flame war

 

[PR5Matt]

I have a Pro-M 80mm MAF and it is good for well more than 300whp. Nick did an MSP with one on it and he made 328whp at 15psi. He is now running more thean 20psi and still works.

I have never gotten any better customer service from anyone else. Nick lost a s*** of money on me because of someone else in the beginning. He could of said I was on my own, but he didn't and he helped me out. He has overnighted parts to me for free and calls me and asks how it's going. He is a hell of a guy and he runs a hell of a business. Also, Linuxrcr got a PRS-8 standalone computer a long time ago that was stollen from Nick. Linux offered to send it back to him, but he said no and tried to help instead. How cool is that?

We just exceeded its capability is all. Also drivability could have been better (it is fantastic with the SDS).

 

[Bigg Tim]

Are you talking about me here? If not, disregard this paragraph. If so, you're way off, man. First of all, I made 23 more whp than you. Second of all, I would have made more, but you know damn well what my problem was: I hit fuel cut, so I couldn't rev past 5K rpm. Gimme a break. To top it off, I had just gotten my motor back together THE NIGHT BEFORE THE DYNO. So excuse me if I didn't have time to have it well tuned before I showed up.

I fixed my fuel cut issue with a JoeP FCD. Thus, I was actually able to rev my car past 5K. That put me into the 13s. If we only had a small power difference between us, you'd be running faster than 15s in the quarter mile.


I agree, BUT he does have a point...I see more people have problems with the MPI than any other EMS on these forums. Might be because it's harder to tune, might just be because they're more popular? Who knows.


Ok, this leads me to believe you weren't talking about me...because I had no problems with any kind of switch points.

I was talking about you and ment no disrespect. You first run was at 11psi and no fuel cut. You only made 11 more whp at that run. I understand about the motor and the tune. I also wasn't able to tune mine either. The day I left to come up there was the day I changed to the new setup, so I had MAYBE 20 minutes of tuning on it that weekend before the dyno.

 

[Kooldino]

I was talking about you and ment no disrespect. You first run was at 11psi and no fuel cut. You only made 11 more whp at that run.

I DID have fuel cut at 11psi. Because when I test drove it the night before, I accelerated, and then it hit a brick wall several times at higher RPMs. It would fuel cut about half the time. Liv2Ride21 was in my car with me, and he'll tell you the same thing. I just wasn't sure if it was actual fuel cut or not until the next day. Obviously, that was the biggest thing holding me back.

I understand about the motor and the tune. I also wasn't able to tune mine either. The day I left to come up there was the day I changed to the new setup, so I had MAYBE 20 minutes of tuning on it that weekend before the dyno.

Yeah, but you at least had a decent base tune. I basically had to tune mine from scratch the night before, since I had just changed a lot of things including cams and such.

On top of that, I have a T3, and you have a T3/T4. Without looking up maps of our turbos, I'd estimate that 8psi on your T3/T4 probably flows about the same CFM as 10psi on my T3.

Either way, since my car had issues, comparing our cars that day on the dyno would be like comparing your bench press to a friend of yours who is stronger, but has a sprained wrist.

Regardless, you're whole point about the MAF being better for power than the MAP is completely untrue. You can make the exact same amount of power either way. And in general, people have had an easier time tuning MAP with the MPI. We've got a 100% success rate so far, AFAIK.

 

[Bigg Tim]

I DID have fuel cut at 11psi. Because when I test drove it the night before, I accelerated, and then it hit a brick wall several times at higher RPMs. It would fuel cut about half the time. Liv2Ride21 was in my car with me, and he'll tell you the same thing. I just wasn't sure if it was actual fuel cut or not until the next day. Obviously, that was the biggest thing holding me back.


Yeah, but you at least had a decent base tune. I basically had to tune mine from scratch the night before, since I had just changed a lot of things including cams and such.

On top of that, I have a T3, and you have a T3/T4. Without looking up maps of our turbos, I'd estimate that 8psi on your T3/T4 probably flows about the same CFM as 10psi on my T3.

Regardless, you're whole point about the MAF being better for power than the MAP is completely untrue. You can make the exact same amount of power either way. And in general, people have had an easier time tuning MAP with the MPI. We've got a 100% success rate so far, AFAIK.

Linuxracr????

Nevermind, you like it that way and that's cool. But the fact remain's that is you get more fuel through the stockers and add fuel via the xtras, you will get better efficiency then with only xtra ones. I remember a long time ago you argued the point of xtra injectors not being the best way.

 

[Kooldino]

Linuxracr????

What, is he having problems now? Last I checked, tried forever to get the MPI + MAF working and couldn't...and didn't say he was finally happy with it until he went MAP. There were other people who did that too.

Nevermind, you like it that way and that's cool. But the fact remain's that is you get more fuel through the stockers and add fuel via the xtras,

This is true.

you will get better efficiency then with only xtra ones. I remember a long time ago you argued the point of xtra injectors not being the best way.

They're not, but they do the job. I'm going one step closer and having 4 put in the intake mani.

 

[MPNick]

I E-MAILED PERFECT POER USA (IDA) AND THEY SAID THAT I CAN GET A CUSTOM CONFIGURED SMT6 FOR THE PROTEGE FOR $75 EXTRA.

BTW, IF THE MPI IS FROM THE SAME NICK WHO SELLS MERKUR STUFF THROUGH MODERN PERFORMANCE, THEN I WOULD NOT BUY OFF OF HIM FOR THAT. MY BROTHER IN-LAW BOUGHT A PRO-M MAF CONVERSION FROM HIM FOR WAY TOO MUCH MONEY, NO SUPPORT, AND THE THING WAS A JOKE AFTER HE GOT AROUND 300WHP. HE HAD TO GO STAND-ALONE.

I KNOW THIS WILL GET SOME s*** STARTED, BUT HOPEFULLY THIS IS A DIFFERENT NICK...

Modern Performance built the Worlds Fastest 2.3 turbo 7.80s @183mph. Yes we sold many MAF kits. We still sell them. Check out next months Grass Roots Motorsprts, they tested one and loved it better then any bolt on kit they have ever seen.

We have made 347whp with our MAF kits wihtout any problems. SVO Ken made 383whp. Why you hit a wall at 300 I do not know.

As far as no support goes , I do not see that. Anyone that buys something from me will get all the support they need. As far as price, what does way to much money mean?

Yes I am the same Nick.

 

[changedman]

Nick does have good service- when I had questions or PMs i sent, they were promptly answered and nicely. (cool)

 

[Mental Addiction]

juan IS spraying. its a small ass shot but ive heard from people close to him he does.

anyhow, the MPI isnt worth it. Beau is starting to leave EMS up to the customer or offer them the AEM in the future. his reasons are his reasons, but that is my understanding of what is going to happen.

Straight from the manufactures mouth...

We have done some changing to the kit's layout and components..Starting January 1st our turbo system will be $2699.The system for $2699 will not have a turbo or engine management.Reason why I'm doing this is to help the little guy get into a quality kit.This also gives the customer a chance to buy a turbo/enigne management from else where(buddy of a buddy,Ebay,etc) at a discounted rate.The kit still will be exactly the same.If you want to get the turbo from us, you will have a choice of the GT25R,GT28R,GT28RS and GT2871.Each turbo has a different price.With engine management we are offering the MPI, AEM, Voltage clamp and FMU.This layout gives the customer more choices on what they want to run.

 

[Aricjm15]

nick about driveability with the haltech and the cold start issue, you are welcome to drive here where it is 34 degrees outside and see how well my brothers car is running, so before you go making untrue statements to make yourself look good, maybe you should see how well most people have their haltechs running.

Nick why do you always get so defensive of your product, you treat every coment like we were telling you that your wife is ugly and we are all ******* your daughter. You have made yourself look like an ass once again, good job.

 

[Focus]

nick about driveability with the haltech and the cold start issue, you are welcome to drive here where it is 34 degrees outside and see how well my brothers car is running, so before you go making untrue statements to make yourself look good, maybe you should see how well most people have their haltechs running.

Nick why do you always get so defensive of your product, you treat every coment like we were telling you that your wife is ugly and we are all ******* your daughter. You have made yourself look like an ass once again, good job.

Are you tuning with stock injectors ?

 

[Super Matty P]

I will be tuning the haltech with stock injectors and 440cc injectors. I'm more than happy to post video's as I've done in the past.

 

[Focus]

I will be tuning the haltech with stock injectors and 440cc injectors. I'm more than happy to post video's as I've done in the past.

And it will probably work right if you use both.

With bigger injectors in the stock locations, NO, NONE, EMS will tune right. It will run like s***, standalone or piggyback.

 

[RyanJayG]

And it will probably work right if you use both.

With bigger injectors in the stock locations, NO, NONE, EMS will tune right. It will run like s***, standalone or piggyback.

where'd you get that info? lol.... Beau's shop Mustang makes 1100 whp, 160lb injectors (with the AEM) and it purrs like a kitten... 3 other mustangs he has tuned are similar in setup (though lower hp and injectors) and they all run fine too.

go download the AEM software and see how many idle control maps there are... seriously... the AEM will idle perfectly for me and my planned 80-90 lb inectors...


and this isn't just me saying this, I've talked with Beau for HOURS abot this...

 

[Super Matty P]

Yeah, I put 440cc injectors in Roni's AEM turbo'd mp3 and after auto-mapping it ran like a champ. Maybe the Haltech will be a bit different since it doesn't auto-map but I bet I'll be just fine.

 

[Focus]

Yeah, I put 440cc injectors in Roni's AEM turbo'd mp3 and after auto-mapping it ran like a champ. Maybe the Haltech will be a bit different since it doesn't auto-map but I bet I'll be just fine.

OK I really hope it does. FS motors have had their share of issues with bigger injectors.

SO now can you agree that any EMS when used properly, will perform the task?

Also any EMS installed with problems on the car will not ??

 

[Aricjm15]

the Haltech can adjust the fuel acording to the 02 sensor or a UEGO, so if you set it up right it could probably tune it self at idle, the F10x and E6x can do A LOT, Juan just provides you with the minimum to get the car running well

 

[Bigg Tim]

Yeah, I put 440cc injectors in Roni's AEM turbo'd mp3 and after auto-mapping it ran like a champ. Maybe the Haltech will be a bit different since it doesn't auto-map but I bet I'll be just fine.

Ran like a champ?? I heard she wants to put the stockers in because it doesn't run like a champ. What does your "champ" mean then? I heard the only reason she hasn't put them in yet is because Andy or Perf lost them, or something like that. Maybe she can clear this up a bit, honestly.

 

[Bigg Tim]

I DID have fuel cut at 11psi. Because when I test drove it the night before, I accelerated, and then it hit a brick wall several times at higher RPMs. It would fuel cut about half the time. Liv2Ride21 was in my car with me, and he'll tell you the same thing. I just wasn't sure if it was actual fuel cut or not until the next day. Obviously, that was the biggest thing holding me back.

Yeah, but you at least had a decent base tune. I basically had to tune mine from scratch the night before, since I had just changed a lot of things including cams and such.

On top of that, I have a T3, and you have a T3/T4. Without looking up maps of our turbos, I'd estimate that 8psi on your T3/T4 probably flows about the same CFM as 10psi on my T3.

Either way, since my car had issues, comparing our cars that day on the dyno would be like comparing your bench press to a friend of yours who is stronger, but has a sprained wrist.

Regardless, you're whole point about the MAF being better for power than the MAP is completely untrue. You can make the exact same amount of power either way. And in general, people have had an easier time tuning MAP with the MPI. We've got a 100% success rate so far, AFAIK.

I just have to add that I am not even in my turbo's effiency range with my turbo and you are in yours.

 

[Super Matty P]

I was only there for one weekend but I installed the new injectors and was in the car during the auto-mapping, during the start-up during the initial test drives, etc. Her car was flying. There was an intercooler hose that popped off on the test drive so we snugged it up by hand and turned the boost off for the ride home and had NO problems.

After that weekend I don't know what happened with her car. I do know it was cold as s*** though. If I heard right after the perfworks thing went down she took the AEM out of her car. I don't know what the deal is.