Why not try this piggyback?

[Kooldino]

Not to say that Terry's 253whp is a joke, but he dynoed at 5 more psi then me,

Yeah, 5psi on a smaller turbo. He had what, a 16G? That's smaller than a T3, right?

with a standalone,

Well, this shouldn't be an advantage according to you.

and only made 25 more whp.

So what? That's how it works. IIRC, before he put the race gas in, Dean only made 20 or 30 more whp than I did. And I had a fuel cut. He also ran more PSI, he had a custom rebuilt turbo by MPNick, he had head work, a ported intake and exhaust mani, a better intercooler, an 80mm MAF, and tons of other tweaks. So all of his tweaks, head work, etc only gave him a ~13% gain over someone without most of the same tweaks, who had just gotten his motor running, was barely tuned, and could not rev past 5K RPM. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just pointing out the irony here. You guys looked at Dean and Nick like gods that day, but in reality he wasn't any more successful over cars like mine and Terry's as we were over yours.

If you feel that you're such a good tuner that you have your stuff all together right, then why not turn up the boost to 13psi like Terry did and see if you can beat his number? After all, he did so on a stock motor.

I understand the clutch was slipping,

Which is a BIG factor...

but that isn't that impressing now that there are more and more high powered cars out there.

Why doesn't it impress you? He was the first to get that kind of power out of our cars, especially on a stock motor.

I would expect a standalone, with all the talk about them, to be a much better performing system and put down more power. I may have a larger turbo, but I'm not even in it's efficiency range yet, so that's no reason to use.

Then why did you go with a big turbo? Regardless, you're still pushing more CFM per PSI through your T3/T4 than Terry did with his 16g.

 

[Kooldino]

I did 296 whp on pump gas!!

That's better than Dean did, IIRC.

Good #s, btw.

 

[Mr. Win]

wow every ******* time...

PEOPLE THAT LIKE WHAT MPI IS:
Focus
Micah
MPI Nick
Bigg Timm

PEOPLE THAT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IT AND ARE TO AFRAID OF THE VENODR:
Everyone Else

 

[Focus]

That's better than Dean did, IIRC.

Good #s, btw.

 

[Kooldino]

"and there goes kooldino - sailing right past my point"

Yes, I'm fully aware that HP doesn't come cheap, I've watched my friends 10 second Camaro spend thousands just to keep the front end down and pick up 2 tenths in the qtr. But, when one person spends half the money, and ends up with the same performance increase - that's something worth thinking about.

Don't forget about the longevity factor. Anyway, the way you stated it sounded like a "horsepower per dollar" type of statement. If you're saying "guy A and guy B make the same power but guy A spent twice as much", then I have no argument there.

My point was that he is spending alot of money in time/research and I'm curious to see how much the finished product ends up costing and what the actual gains are.

Again, I think longevity is one of his main concerns. So we won't see the whole story for another 100K miles.

 

[Kooldino]

well to some degree doing things cost effectively is short sighted also...

say if I make only 210 with a built block and someone else does it on a stock block. I've spent atleast 3000 more than they did. should they get more props because they did it cheaper? no, they are sitting on a time bomb (relatively)

cost to power ratio isn't everything. a large portion of the money spent on my setup will be towards reliability and longevity. short term power goals vs. cost only really work for racing applications.

Bang, he beat me to the punch.

(cool)

 

[Focus]

Again, I think longevity is one of his main concerns. So we won't see the whole story for another 100K miles.

Extreme performing motors do not last that long.

 

[RyanJayG]

Extreme performing motors do not last that long.

very true... look at top fuel... designed to last less than 4 seconds, and a 1/4 mile... how rediculous is that?

now understand that is all out race... but I dont think any of us here are going that far.

 

[Micah]

wow every ******* time...

PEOPLE THAT LIKE WHAT MPI IS:
Focus
Micah
MPI Nick
Bigg Timm

PEOPLE THAT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IT AND ARE TO AFRAID OF THE VENODR:
Everyone Else

Who is afraid of MPNick??? Why would anyone be afriad of MPNick?

What I see in this thread - is the same thing that always happens, someone starts a thread questioning MPI, MPNick and crew come in and dispute/explain - then suddenly people refer to the thread as if it belongs in the dumpster - and sooner or later it goes there.

You can keep making threads - MPNick and those who use the unit will keep coming back and answering - why - because it works - and it works well for them. As the threads keep getting moved to the dumpster and deleted - the process slowly repeats - in the end though, you are helping things out by making sure that more and more people see that the MPI can be used effectively in many differint cars under many differint setups and still make great power.

 

[Micah]

well to some degree doing things cost effectively is short sighted also...

say if I make only 210 with a built block and someone else does it on a stock block. I've spent atleast 3000 more than they did. should they get more props because they did it cheaper? no, they are sitting on a time bomb (relatively)

cost to power ratio isn't everything. a large portion of the money spent on my setup will be towards reliability and longevity. short term power goals vs. cost only really work for racing applications.

Yes, but in this thread we are talking about EMS. The fact that someone decides to rebuild an engine with forged components and perhaps other work is all fine and dandy - but it's not apples to apples.

AFA the MAM thumper car - I'm interested to see the final numbers, I'd also be fairly suprised if MPNick couldn't come up with something to counter it using either the MPI Tuner or the full standalone.

 

[Mr. Win]

ha they are afraid of him because if you piss him off he doesnt give you customer service... and for a product that seems to always need CS, they dont want to say anything.

You are not educating anyone... i laugh at this s*** everytime. Its the same damn people debating the thing. The only people the provide things for learning are focus, dana, ryan... really everything else is just babble about how its everyone else fault!! Take some notes instead of blaming... if its installed wrong so much maybe you need better instructions.

The best way this thing has worked that ive seen so far is as an Expensive AIC that can pull timing...

 

[changedman]

its just insane. its bad that people are worried about posting their feelings about the mpi.

 

[Micah]

its just insane. its bad that people are worried about posting their feelings about the mpi.

Who are these people? (Seinfeld)

The only person I can think of is Matthew - who purchased the unit through MAM - in which case it should be MAM that was supporting it. Those units are sold to other vendors at a discount because it is the vendor who will be supporting the unit (of course the vendor may end up contacting MPI for support).

 

[Mr. Win]

Who are these people? (Seinfeld)

The only person I can think of is Matthew - who purchased the unit through MAM - in which case it should be MAM that was supporting it. Those units are sold to other vendors at a discount because it is the vendor who will be supporting the unit (of course the vendor may end up contacting MPI for support).

ahh thats how the buissness world works. This things got problems here you deal with it and ill take some cash off the price tag...?

I can think of several people but obviously they dont want to say anything... dont know why but hey who am i to tell people who to be afraid of.

 

[changedman]

so if i buy an HP computer I buy at best buy and need tech support, i call their local store?

i think they'd laugh at you.

 

[MPNick]

Hell, I'm making 296 whp right now and the car is not even tuned right. Just for laughs I called nick today and told him wait a sec. Got in to the car which hasn't been started in two weeks and it fired right up!!!

Yes I do get a consistent CEL: MAP out of range. Annoying and it always happens when I go over 15 psi boost.

John, how much boost did you run to make that WHP? Was it 17 or 18 psi.

 

[MPNick]

Dean only made 20 or 30 more whp than I did. And I had a fuel cut. He also ran more PSI,

.

Not at all. Dean ran 12psi on his first few runs. So at 12psi he made the 30whp over yours at 15psi. Yes you had fuel cut and now it is fixed so you will make alot more power. The other big problem you have was your exhaust manfiold sucked. Your new one will work much better.

 

[MPNick]

That's better than Dean did, IIRC.

Good #s, btw.

No I do not think you can say this. For one John ran 17 or 18 psi. Dean ran 15psi and then it dropped to 14psi. John has Deans map and it had tons of timing out. So I could have made more power, maybe.

 

[changedman]

is dean up and running again?

 

[MPNick]

You were still pushing more CFM per PSI...

Dead wrong here. It takes the same amount of air flow to make the same amount of boost in the same engine.

BTW what about the J spec intake camshaft you were running. Did that not add power?